can i find any fellow vocoding freaks outthere or am i the only moran who still likes it ?
I woul realy like to see a software alternative to the harmonix talkbox ...

you know ...the one roger trautman used for computer love / i want to be your man / more bounce / and finaly for tupacs california love before he died.

i have the talkbox and i can do the effect ..but i want no analog input since i work with optical wires via spdif and my talkbox generates a hiss
i can filter it out using a noicefilter but that cuts of the high aria to much

once again ...all the software vocoders do kewl stuf and i know i can use any carier but the way the signal is handled is diferent from the harmonix talkbox.

Regards

Try the prosonique Orange vocoder! or even better
buy a Tc powercore and get the soon to be released
waldorf Dcoder with 128 bands and a synth built in
based on the microQ.

Hi there

thanks for the kind and quick reply

prosonique Orange vocoder is a A FABULOUS vocoder but it has no pitch tracing so if i pitch from one tone to another i need to use a pitch band as well and that is mighty hard to do ... in other words the vocoding parts get to static .. to monotone which is good for kraftwork like sound but i use lots of jazz and blues and soulvoices that pitch from one note to another

The tc-powercore is one i haven`t heard of yet
thanks for the tip !
i gues there are not many people that know what i mean ... try to download the song more bounce to the ounce by zapp (roger trautman) and you will hear what i mean with troutman sound

i have tried lots of hardware and software sounds allready !

Regards

remco

It is kind of like an obsession to get that troutman sound .. guess when i succeed i will use it two times and then i will be tired of it ... i am such a strange guy

after that i will probably have new obsessions ..
I am neurotic

ill sugest you to try the most inovative plugins pack that came some days ago:
_Spektral plugins pack. http://www.delaydots.com

You could vocode + many many many spektral operations with that one.

its that kind of pack that left me speechless

waka x / makunouchi bento

Hi there

is it a software or a hardware station
i allready have the k2500s so i am not looking for new hardware and looking at the vocoding on my kurzweil it doesn`t get close to troutman vocoding .. my harmonix talkbox is what troutman used .. but the sound has a hiss

Remco

i will use the spektral morpher tomorrow evening
i will post the result

let me try to put something of me online here ... but i dunno if the url will work

greetings web page

use right mouse button on webpage in the message aboth and choose to download ... the file will load then ... (just tried it out)

Regards

I've got a couple of vocoders but they're both for the Pulsar platform which isn't much use to you.

Tell you what that TC Powercore one sounds pretty amazing though. Again, a DSP card solution which doesn't really help you.

Caleb

For vocoding f/x these days I usually use either the free VST one from mda, or the one in Pentagon 1....or better, both together. Neither, tho, really gives that classic E/Harmonix talkbox sound...

Hmmmm...perhaps you could emulate that talkbox effect by running the results of some kind of software-based vocoder through some kind of formant-based filter...? Just guessing here...

[ 16 April 2002, 14:52: Message edited by: Har ]

Thank you Caleb Blake

no sleep till i sucseeded
unfortunatly i have to devide my time over lots of things / people / job etc.. etc..

anyway .... very kind of you all to think along with me

If you have the latest version of orange vocoder you can play it from the keyboard so tracking is not such a problem!

I don't know what sequencer you're using but VST 5.1 has a voocoder built in. you can control the pitch with your keyboard or a midi track & yes it's is polyphonic. Not sure if it has the Trautman sound but it's worth looking into.

Hi there

can`t wait to try it out
the screenshot looks prommising

the Novation A Station has a nice vocoder on it

-Sin

seems i have found some fellow vocoders here
would like to hear some vocoding from your hands

yes tronam ! it seems you have received the message very well ... more tonal freedom

i am not really sure what you mean by DAW
(i can be pretty dumb at times)

the case is i want no static vocoding sound but a singing synth that pronounces the words that i sing good in a microtonal way so i can do slides and pitch bends triggered by the voice input.
or in other words as you put it i want to be able to use a keyboard oriented synth as the carrier, without being enslaved to predefined 12 semitone scales. being only limited to my freedom of movement within my mind predefined tonal system.

i guess you all gave me some good advices and i am really looking forworth to the antares synth triggered by audio input directly converted into a midiscore that controlls synth output
i will try to use o.v. with a different carier also

DAW = Digital Audio Workstation? (beeing your PC setup)

Hey guys, anyone know how to route the input carrier signal correctly in Logic Audio? Using the vocoder in the send bus (like Tronam statet) doesn't do that, it simply adds the vocoding effect to the audiotrack with the internal synth of the vocoder! But the Internal synth is what I would like to replace with a plugin-synth like Absynth or whatever. Anyone knows how to hoock this up? Tronam?

Thanks

Perhaps you weren't already aware, but you don't need to use the Prosoniq Vocoder's internal samples or synthesizer as a carrier for your formant. Any synth, be it hardware or VSTi, should have no problem creating interesting carrier signals to vocode against. Use Orange Vocoder as a send effect in your DAW of choice and send two signals to it's respective Left and Right channels. Then you can sing and play the keyboard simultaneously with complete tonal freedom. Perhaps I'm just not completely clear as to what you are looking for...

-Tronam

(Edited: After rereading your original post, I think I understand what you are saying now. If you use a keyboard oriented synth as the carrier, then the melodies are too "aliased" in a way, being slaves to predefined 12 semitone scales. Perhaps use a monophonic synth as the carrier with flexible legato/portamento for smoother pitch changes? I assume you are looking for more natural expression in the vocoded sound...?)

[ 17 April 2002, 12:32: Message edited by: Tronam ]

YES! I've been trying this but I can't get it to run!

Is it possible to do this in Logic Audio, can you telle us how? (routing etc)

Thanks

seems i have found some fellow vocoders here
would like to hear some vocoding from your hands

I don´t know man, reading your thread I was thinking all the time -- live with (and love)
the hiss - if you wanna go troutman, go for the real thing...and luckily, you have it

there are many great software vocoders mentioned in this thread but the talkbox is such a specific sound - you just can emulate it but won´t be satisfied 100percento

just my opinion..

Once again, I think you should give the VST 5.1 voocoder a try. It can be controled by your keyboard. It has the control your looking for but I cannot verfy the "tone or sound" your looking for. Still don't know if you have VST. If not then never mind.

Once again, I think you should give the VST 5.1 voocoder a try. It can be controled by your keyboard. It has the control your looking for but I cannot verfy the "tone or sound" your looking for. Still don't know if you have VST. If not then never mind.

Do you have steinberg interests ?
how much do they pay you for this
I tried it out ... i guess delaydots beats all the vocoders .. nope i don`t guess ... i know !
for vocoded string sounds and atmosphere orange vocoder is the best ... for leading vocoded vocals delaydots .. take my word for it

I love the Troutman sound too. I looked into nearly every vocal processing software solution and found nothing that could sound like a talkbox. I had to give in and buy a heil talkbox. I still cant get the exact sound of Roger, what was he using as input? Do you know of any VSTis with close patches to what Roger used? The closest ive got is with Pro 5.

'Poweruser' my talkbox gives hiss too but ive tracked it down to the amp im powering it with.

Im sure a plugin could be made to emulate a talkbox as digitec had a hardware vocoder that could sound very close using only a mic. I think its now disconinued though. I hate having this effect outside of a music host, recording is a pain.

Finaly JRocc
i felt like no-one understould me
troutman sound cannot be done exactly the same by using anything but a electro harmonix .. the hiss of the one i owned (sold it now for unbelieveble cash at a site like ebay) was to much. Not easy to filter out completely without losing some upper harmony`s

Anyway ... about his tegnique, don`t forget roger troutman ± was a very good singer as well, a very influential singer. The song california love was a rip off of an old funk song he did. they let him do the vocoding part ... guess it was a money matter. Unfortunatly he stepped over to R&B i.s.o sticking to the funk ...

about an elctro harmonix simulation
Anyone who makes a plugin that does the same gets a 200 $ order right away. In the meanwhile i will practise on my singing skills. It will never sound r&b-ish because i am a jazz man myself. But some cool vocoding init at times can do no harm (all hail herby hancock) or "herman hanglul" as we call him in the netherlands.

greetings

As there seem to be some Logic-Users in this thread I wonder that till here noone mentioned EVOC20, emagic´s new Logic5-vocoder.

I used to use only OrangeVocoder, just because its a wonderful and powerful plugin. (hats off Prosoniq )
But I also always missed this possibility to play chords just with my midi-keyboard, even if there are workarounds I had been too lazy for this and used it mainly on without setting diffrent chords...

But now, having the EVOC20-Demo its like a charm....EVOC sounds brilliant, can sound very warm and is dead-easy to handle.
Oki, I am not a talkbox-user, so I can´t tell you if its possible to achieve an effect like this with EVOC20.

You Logic-Users should really give it a try...
putte

i'm lazy.. care to pop up a demo? i've got a fizmo i'm going to shift as soon as i'm convinced i can find a a s/w vocoder that'll do the job. orange finally got their act together? for $200, they flimmin well ought to. awright, maybe i'll just go look for info all on my own..

..if you want to have a 'vocoder off' i'll provide the web space..

on the cheap, the paia h/w doesn't sound so bad to me, think it's $100ish for the kit. if i've got the link right check out 'down to earth' here sorry about the whole evil mp3.com link.

Some short notes:

- Using a vocoder in Logic is not possible in any versions prior to LA5. And even in LA5 it doesn't work in realtime (yet). To make it work, record a vocal track, setup a vocoder on an instrument track and use the sidechain pulldown to select the recorded track. Note for Windows users: You may have to delete the plugins .cfg file (to be found in your Vstplugins folder) before starting Logic to make the sidechain show up.

- I use either Emagic's EVOC20 or rgcaudio's Pentagon I for vocoding (actually, often I prefer the latter).

I don't know if there's any vocoder following the input signal in a more complexed way than using it as a carrier - in a way such as tracking the pitch too, dunno what that would be called, no vocoding expert here at all. While sounding brilliant, both EVOC and Pentagon use your MIDI input only to generate notes.

Regards,
Sascha

Seems like theres a lot of interest in vocoders and the talkbox sound. Maybe I should try again and look at some of the suggestions. It would be a great help if some vocoder users have a listen to Roger Troutmans tracks (this guy was the master - R.I.P). Check out 'Dance Floor' or 'More Bounce To The Ounce'
Then youll know the sound were trying to nail in software. I think the hose has a lot to do with the effect, but im still convinced a talented plugin creator could emulate this somehow.

Rogers pactch for this effect is some kind of secret I still cant find any info on what he used for the input tone.

Ok so far $200 from Poweruser and $200 from me for the plugin genious who creates the Troutbox! How cool is that name for a plugin? Someone better copyright that now!

EVOC cannot do troutman sound / orange can not do it / steinberg vocoder / analog x vocoder etc.. etc.. and any other vocoder can not do it !

I made a loop of the clean troutman vocoding sound
of that small loop i made an instrument
i used that instrument as carier but the result is not the same !! i used a wave2midi converter with good pitch detecting and i took a recorded voicepart of me and made a midiscore of it
i used that midiscore to play the troutman looping-instrument, i used the output i had from that point as carier input in several vocoders
i didn`t get the same result.

I find a lot of vocoding sounds of orange vocoder and all the others cool as wel, but troutmans sound is extreme cool so i guess it is only for extremely cool people with extremely cool ears, what is probably the main reason why not all the people understand us JRocc.

I have found these conversations on other sites as well, how the f@#$ did he do it. it`s that frustration that keeps me posting stuff about it, there must be some geek in a lab doing digitalk and making digistuf whilst looking at star track and reading in unix and linux books about making kernels that is capable of doing this ?In the meanwhile i sit back relax and sip on my heineken.. every once in a while put on a new topic about the same topic

Rogers bigest hit was computerlove .. so all you true computerloving geeks folow in his spirit and make a good troutman simulation
and call it the troutbox

who else has 200 $ dolar left for a good troutman simulation

could you post an mp3 of that "roger troutement" Vocoding?

if troutman don't mind ...
oh well ... he's amongst the death heroes in music heaven jamming with Miles and Hendrix and Zappa. I guess he wouldn't mind, maybe some of his relatives do mind ... then again ... it's for a good cause

that's only if you are who you say you are ! in these last days there will be a lot of fake prophets, if you are really the great real Marco I will post it soon

Yeah I love that Roger sound also. It hits a
very emotional chord when I hear it.

Teddy Riley uses one quite abit. I saw him
performing with the hiel talk on an sh101 I
believe.

I think it's just a very basic lead sound you should be able to get with almodt any vsti.

Tc mercury 1 has some good carrier leads along
with pro 52.

Battle star galactica and Rodger were the reason
I fell in love with vocoders. Cool stuff!

Mush