Hi all,

We have released the 1.1 revision of our tape delay looper Elottronix XL. As you can see in the list below, we've added many of the suggestion that some people of this board requested. We are very thankful to all of you who contributed with your ideas to improve our beloved Elottronix. We hope you will like the enhancements.

Here it's a complete list of what has been added/changed since v1.0 (it's a huge list!):


- Tape noise is now routed through the delays and filters, so it enters the loop.

- Added vintage style saturator/warmth unit as the final stage of the audio chain.

- Added MIDI learning unit (see instructions about how to set it up in the "Features" section of the "readme" text).

- Added host tempo bars can now be adjusted separately for each delay line. Also, the knobs have been replaced with sliders, which make adjustment much more precise. Its steps are quantized to 1/2 bar.

- Added Dry/Wet input knobs. Use the "Dry" knob to route signal directly from the inputs to the outputs, useful for having a reference of the original source when using the plugin as insert effect. Turn it off if you use the plugin as send.

- Added stereo/mono input mode ("In mode"). "Mono" mode is similar to v1.0, L and R inputs are mixed and sent to Line1, Line2 or Line1+2, depending your settings. However,"Stereo" mode routes L input to Line1 and R input to Line2 and, this way, you can get a real stereo signal path, but loosing the routing options. Take into account that only a few hosts feature true stereo input for send effects nowadays, they are usually mono, so this "Stereo" mode is only recommended when using Elottronix XL as insert effect.

- Added readout for the Manual tempo ("M-Tempo") knobs. This way you can set the tempo in steps of 1 second.

- Added Global output knob. It works as a kind of "Master Out" volume control.

- "Loop" knob renamed to "Decay" for better matching its real use. Move it to the left to make the loop fade out smoothly.

- "Volume" and "Pitch" knobs in the tape unit have been renamed to "N-Gain" and "N-Pitch". The "N" prefix indicates "noise". The "Power" ON/OFF switch is also rebranded to "Noise", as it only affects the tape noise but not the "Warmth" knob. Finally, "Pan" knob was removed as it lost its funcionality due to the new audio routings introduced.

- Text "Route In" changed to "Mono Path" for better understanding.

- Fixed bug in Manual tempo knobs. Their maximum range was limited to 10 seconds, instead of 80.

And a 80% resized screenshot:



If you can't enter our site with the usual address, www.elogoxa.net, please use www.uv.es/~ruizcan/principal.htm instead.

Best regards.

Sahul

Can't wait to try it out....

Thanks Sahul.

great ... downloading now ... thanx

Thank you!Thank you!Thank you!
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Yu've made my day Sahul!!!

BTW, I forgot to say that this v1.1 was tested and seemed to work fine in Cubase VST 5.2 Beta, Tracktion Demo and Fruity Loops 3.56 Demo, so I hope you won't have problems this time.

Besides, I beg you to take a look at the readme.txt file included in the .zip, as some routing paths have changed since the previous v1.0 release.

Sahul

Ooops, I've noticed that I posted this message in the wrong forum, sorry!
Please, could a moderator move this thread to the FX forum, please?

Sahul

This thing is great! I grabbed it last night, and of course I did the obvious:

Fripp-off -- a quick(?) improv for one e-bowed guitar & two Ellotronix XL's

The full version (12 minutes, including ~8 minutes of nothing but drone ):
stream http://artists.iuma.com/site-bin/streammp3.m3u?437569
download http://artists.iuma.com/site-bin/mp3gen/116926/IUMA/Bands/Tryptophan/a udio/Tryptophan_-_Frippoff_full_version.mp3

The 2:30 edit (just the noodles)
stream http://artists.iuma.com/site-bin/streammp3.m3u?437576
download http://artists.iuma.com/site-bin/mp3gen/116926/IUMA/Bands/Tryptophan/a udio/Tryptophan_-_Frippoff_edit.mp3

Thanks again for this plug, I haven't pl
I have a couple of questions though:
is it possible to completely turn off the "warmth" effect? It seems like it's colouring the sound even turned down to 0 and with very low-level input.
I'm not sure how the "pitch" control works -- is it supposed to emulate tape flutter? I can only seem to get a ringmod-type sound from it (maybe my 48kHz sample rate is the reason?)
Also, I noticed that it can consumes huge amounts of memory when it's running for a while... I was surprised to run out of disk space, looked at my swap file and it was over 2 gigs! Which is about 1.5 gigs more than my previous record . Anyway, it's possible that it was Cubase rather than the plug, so I was just wondering if that's normal.

Anyway, sorry to be a bother, I just really like the plug!

WooHoo ThanXX Sahul!! Some great improvements to what is
perhaps my all-time favorite plugin!!

Cheers.......CL

Hi people, thanks for your replies!

Peel, I'm downloading your tunes right now, and I'll post a comment later. it's pretty cool hearing some music made with our Elottronix XL.

Regarding your questions:

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is it possible to completely turn off the "warmth" effect? It seems like it's colouring the sound even turned down to 0 and with very low-level input.

Mmmm, are you sure about it? It's supposed to fully disappear if you move the knob until the 0 position. In fact, it's programmed as a kind of "send" effect, part of the signal passes through it, depending of how much you raise the values of the "Warmth" button, but the rest goes straight to the Outs, so it's completely unaffected by the saturation. Maybe you've some of the filters ON, and that's the colouring you're hearing?

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I'm not sure how the "pitch" control works -- is it supposed to emulate tape flutter? I can only seem to get a ringmod-type sound from it (maybe my 48kHz sample rate is the reason?)

You catched me in this one That pitch control really affects the rate of the LFO Pan (that's why it only works in "Host" mode), not the pitch of the whole delayed signal. It wasn't put there trying to emulate a tape flutter... however, it was a feature really easy to implement, and I liked the weirdness and strange modulations it produced. Being sincere, that was the only reason

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Also, I noticed that it can consumes huge amounts of memory when it's running for a while... I was surprised to run out of disk space, looked at my swap file and it was over 2 gigs! Which is about 1.5 gigs more than my previous record . Anyway, it's possible that it was Cubase rather than the plug, so I was just wondering if that's normal.

Yes, it's true, in fact we advised that in the info text. Take into account that Elottronix XL is continuosly using your RAM to record its "eternal" loop, so if you make large songs with very long delay times, your swap file may suffer...

Sahul

Hi again,

I don't want to forget mentioning here all the people who contributed to this v1.1 revision, putting their ideas and requests in the old v1.0 thread:

patchworkcat:
* BPM readout for the manual tempo controls - ADDED
* Two separate times for the host sync mode - ADDED
* crossfeed the filter outputs to the inputs - STILL NOT POSSIBLE IN SE
* a dry feed would be nice - ADDED (I suppose...?)
* make the big time knob at the top less sensitive - ADDED

kevvvvv:
* add some distortion or edgey effect - ADDED
* a simple reverb - NOT YET, MAYBE IN A FUTURE UPDATE

Resonance
* dedicated level input control to adjust the incoming signal - ADDED
* Can we have a way to gang the volume control of the two lines or maybe just a master volume - ADDED (Master volume out, gang it's not possible in SE for now)
* click track - NOT YET, MAYBE IN A FUTURE UPDATE

John Westwood:
* MIDI Learn would be an added bonus - ADDED
* tape hiss through effects for the real nostalgia! - ADDED
* I would also like to click the little display window and type in [8.0] and ENTER - ADDED BUT LATER REMOVED, IT WAS A VERY UGLY WHITE BOX AND, MOREOVER, WE HADN'T SPACE FOR IT IN THE GUI (John, if you really need this feature I can compile a special version with it for you)

Thanks to all of you and, of course, for a future update we'll reconsider the suggestions which haven't been incorporated yet.

Sahul

Sahul wrote:

Peel, I'm downloading your tunes right now, and I'll post a comment later. it's pretty cool hearing some music made with our Elottronix XL.

cool, but there's no obligation (it's probably not the most ambitious use of the Elottronix that you've heard) .

You must be right about the warmth control; maybe I'm just hearing things (possible after sustained exposure to drone ).

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You catched me in this one That pitch control really affects the rate of the LFO

Ah! Okay. It's a cool effect, I just wasn't sure if I was doing something wrong!

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Yes, it's true, in fact we advised that in the info text. Take into account that Elottronix XL is continuosly using your RAM to record its "eternal" loop, so if you make large songs with very long delay times, your swap file may suffer...

D'oh! Serves me right for not reading the info more carefully. Thanks for answering anyway!

Thanks again for your work on this plugin!

Hi Peel,

Mate, I had yesterday a 12 minutes of pure spiritual meditation while hearing your demo ... The 2:30 excerpt is not bad, but I liked the long version more, it creates a very interesting landscape. Put a 80-100 bpm rhythm right there, and you'll end with a chill out hit in minutes...

Thanks for taking the time to record and post the demo, it's something we really appreciate.

Sahul

I love this.

As you say, sahul, it chills me out.

The effect is beautiful ... like I'm in this dream of sound.

Sooo good.

thanx

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Sahul ... might sound a dopey idea, but could the tape reels go round?

Then I'd have something to stare at while I'm getting into these chillin sounds.

A chorus/phaser on each line after the filter would be cool too, and maybe a small graphic eq at the end.

I'm not wanting to be greedy here. I just get into the wonderful weird noises.

Know what I mean

You mentioned 12 minute spiritual meditation in your last post. I can dig it for this.

Just messing about but here's the sort of thing I get out of ellotronix

www.rossiterandco.com/files/ellotronixagain.mp3 2.29mb

Hi,

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...........................mac?..........................

Ned, I'm afraid it won't be possible, at least until some programming guru ports SynthEdit to Mac, or write a converter for the PC SynthEdit files... sorry

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but could the tape reels go round?

Do you mean animating the graphics? Mmm, maybe... but SE only lets you one peak meter/animation per plugin, and I used it for the blue led in the Tape Machine. Besides, large graphics in motion can produce clicks (it's a Windows priority issue, I suppose)... Anyway, I'll experiment a bit to see what can be done.

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A chorus/phaser on each line after the filter would be cool too, and maybe a small graphic eq at the end.

Yep, good idea, maybe a chorus can be added easily. If it doesn't produce a big performance impact, you can wait for it in the next revision .
And graphic EQ... our C++ expert, Unkargherth, is currently working on a module for SynthEdit with unlimited channels of graphic EQ. Anyway, the current Biquad X filter lets you make some basic EQ adjustments, it's not as flexible as a real equalizer, but not bad too...

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I'm not wanting to be greedy here. I just get into the wonderful weird noises.

You're not being greedy in any way, kevvvvv, proposing things is very cool. It means (I think ) that you found the plugin useful, and want to make it even better. People, suggestions are always welcomed!

Thank you very much for your comments!!!

Sahul

Hi again,

kevvvvv, I'm just downloading your demo. I'll post a comment later today. Thanks again.

Sahul

kevvvvv, those strings with autopan are very sweet. Where they came from? errr... Atmosphere perhaps ?

And one more question: did you play the whole song in realtime with Elottronix XL, or there are some sequenced parts?

Sahul

Kevvvvv, I really like your song. Great mix of timbres!
Hmmm, I've noticed that it's hard to spell "Elottronix" right. My brain always wants me to write "Ellotronix."

P.S. Kevvvvv, Your user name looks like it was run through Elottronix, too. Very appropriate

Atmo ... sahul, you win the prize

I couldn't really call it a song. More a sequenced Zeta arp, set on slow, with Ello doodling on top.

The trick in doodling seems to be to play the single lines first and build up to chords later on ... otherwise early chords mash up everything else that follows.

Mind you, the mashing up is always nice too.

What I'm getting at is that Ello is a different bird from the rest and song writing becomes a different process to the usual.

Any ideas or thoughts anyone as to ways and methods to write using Ello

btw peel, kind of you to like my doodle. if you've got a Zeta I uploaded 55 new arpeggios this weekend.

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Hmmm, I've noticed that it's hard to spell "Elottronix" right. My brain always wants me to write "Ellotronix."

In fact, I think that I'm one of the few people who writes it correctly (which seems logical, as I'm one of the developers)... and, even then, there're times when I also write "ellotronix" .

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Kevvvvv, Your user name looks like it was run through Elottronix, too. Very appropriate

That was funny

Sahul

Sahul wrote:

Resonance * click track - NOT YET, MAYBE IN A FUTURE UPDATE

Sahul, I'm begging here.....

Please man, Please!!!!!

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Any ideas or thoughts anyone as to ways and methods to write using Ello

Well, I suppose there're some different approaches. Being sincere, I haven't used Elottronix XL as "send" effect in a song so far. But I find it really useful as a loop creation machine: I switch on the metronome in Cubase and start a long improvisation with an instrument through Elottronix XL. I record first to Line 1, play with the filters, record then to Line 2, more filters, again to Line 1... A good trick is to use the Rehearsal button when you want to experiment with a sound, before putting it into the delay. You can do it everytime, while hearing the loop repeating...

Everything I play is recorded in realtime to TapeIt!, so I end up with a large .wav file which I can cut in little pieces, which are bpm synced as I use the host tempo bars option in Elottronix XL. Option "B", which I haven't tested yet, could be automating the knobs/sliders in realtime via MIDI CC, instead of recording to a .wav...

Anyway, for the feedback we receive, people prefer using Elottronix more as a live performance effect than as a "sequenced" one. This XL version, with the sync to host features, may change that scene a bit... I don't know.

Sahul

GREAT! thanx sahul, Elogoxa rocks!

...for some more (almost 30 minutes) of deep improvised elottronixscapes, try http://artists.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Wman/index-1.html

there are three tracks: 26, 27 & 28-4-2003...

made with two elottronixXL, mda dub delay, blueline filter, audiomulch's frosscader, line6 dl4, some verbs (room machine & acoustic mirror), and a gr-33.

wman

Hi waiting man,

Thanks for the link mate. 30 minutes of pure landscapes... that looks great! I'll give it a try as soon as I arrive home.

Thanxx!

Sahul

thank you for the attention, sahul.

wman

waiting man, I've been hearing your landscapes and I must say... FANTASTIC STUFF!. And I'm not saying this just to please you, believe me. It's the kind of ambient music I really like listening to when I'm making some designing work, very calmed and good constructed, minimalistic but evolutive at the same time...

My favourite is 28, with all these panned pads moving slowly from left to right and again to left... pure pleasure. And you also nailed the selection of sounds (patches), in all the three songs there're one or two sounds with a special character... I would like to know which softsynths do you use

BTW, can I put a link to the songs in elogoxa's website?

Sahul

thanx!
i agree...they're good for some kind of calm activities, the sound relaxes me a lot.

the instrument used is a guitar and a rolandGr33, which has almost all sounds from the Jv series, some beautiful sounds for pads.
soon i'll do some more with some other vstis...

go on with the linking, it's a honour...

ooops, i forgot to mention that the tracks feature the great Bredband Tubelimit too, sorry.

wman

w man ... listening to your stuff right now.

It is an acquired taste, but it is very nice.

Can you tell me a bit about how you put 26-04-2003 together?

Meanwhile, listening and enjoying

WMan that's nice. While listening to it I had an idea for Sahul. Can you do a visual loop aid? Say take that suggestion of the reels going round, but in time to the loop? I realised I could make nice music with a visual guide, rather than a metronome, which I find offputting. Cheers

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Can you do a visual loop aid? Say take that suggestion of the reels going round, but in time to the loop?

We'll try to make something about it for the next update, maybe not the reels moving, but some kind of leds or lights indicating the beat.

Sahul

cool

Sahul wrote:

Quote: Can you do a visual loop aid? Say take that suggestion of the reels going round, but in time to the loop? We'll try to make something about it for the next update, maybe not the reels moving, but some kind of leds or lights indicating the beat. Sahul

Can you throw a muteable click in too for live playing without a sequencer?

Please Sahul - Please!

psssst - And perhaps an option for loading in our own .WAV sample to use as the click?
(everybody likes their own particular click)

btw - Wman, your 26-04-2003 mp3 is absolutely brilliant. One of the best things I've listened to all year.... seriously.

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Can you throw a muteable click in too for live playing without a sequencer? Please Sahul - Please! psssst - And perhaps an option for loading in our own .WAV sample to use as the click? (everybody likes their own particular click)

M-u-t-e-a-b-l-e c-l-i-c-k...ok, noted . Well, this was already in our to-do (or not to-do) list. I'll pass it to xxazzz, and see what can be done. I promise we'll try...

Thanks for the suggestions.

Sahul

i really dig the new Elottronix XL.
the earlier version was too unwieldy for my wee mind...
great update and implementation of user suggestions.
here's the first trk i've used it with:

http://www.deadlydisc.com/Kusser-Bodies.mp3

keep it up

-K-

kevvvvv:
1) gr33 signal goes into line6 dl4 (which has an EQed delay and reverse delay as presets)
2) dl4's output into delta44 (audiomulch's SoundIn)
3) SoundIn to Audiomulch's Frosscader which splits (cc controlled) in:
4a) blueline filter, Elottronix Xl number 1, (cc controlled) mixer
4b) mda dubdelay, Elottronix Xl number 2, (cc controlled) mixer
5) mixer to SoundOut (recorder)

i pressed "rec", & improvised pretty minor with my guitar, while sometimes tweaking the frosscader, to move the signal from elottronix n.1 to n.2.
the elottronixs had some difference in delay time, something like 6 or 8 seconds, can't remember it right now...sorry. but it has been a great moment, a real full speaker vortex!

then the wav passed through acoustic mirror (an impulse from sonic foundry' s ones) & bredband tubelimit.

kevvvvv, patchworkcat, Resonance & Sahul again:
sincere thanxxx!

cheers, w man ... interesting ideas there.

kusser ... your link didn't work.

kusser, the link worked fine here, just had to disable Download Accelerator. The track is really cool, I liked a lot those filtered rhythms and vocals, changing all the time, they create an excellent combination with the more static backgrounds (Elottronix Xl is there, looping and looping, I suspect).

Guys, if you don't mind, I'll add links in our web to all these great stuff which uses Elottronix XL. You all are making a fantastic use of it.

Sahul

Sahul wrote:

Quote: Can you do a visual loop aid? Say take that suggestion of the reels going round, but in time to the loop? We'll try to make something about it for the next update, maybe not the reels moving, but some kind of leds or lights indicating the beat. Sahul

Something fairly continuous maybe. I want to get into something where there is a continuous cycle, rather than a beat. I don't know how much you can do in SE, I'm just glad you did this much already

Sahul wrote:

kusser, the link worked fine here, just had to disable Download Accelerator. The track is really cool, I liked a lot those filtered rhythms and vocals, changing all the time, they create an excellent combination with the more static backgrounds (Elottronix Xl is there, looping and looping, I suspect). Guys, if you don't mind, I'll add links in our web to all these great stuff which uses Elottronix XL. You all are making a fantastic use of it. Sahul

thanks for the big-ups.
that trk was basically made from the inspiration from playing around with Elottronix Xl and FreeDicer in Chainer. i banged it out in 2 days so it may be a little rough.

definitely feel free to add to your links.
the least i can do for such a badass free plug-in.

cheers

-K-

Had a pleasant Saturday afternoon with Elottronix (again!) and a couple of Atmos.

This resulted www.rossiterandco.com/files/elottronix.mp3 1.8mb

There's some clunky and hissing noises in there and I'm not sure why, but they don't seem to affect the overall feel of the thing.

kevvvvv, another pretty landscape to link from our web, thanks Good feeling, and once again strings seem to be your speciality...

Sahul

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Can you throw a muteable click in too for live playing without a sequencer?

We've been working in the metronome thing, in fact we already compiled a version with a visual metronome in it, but for now it only works ok when receiving the tempo from the host, not in manual mode.

Resonance, talking about the "muteable click" metronome: do you really think it's useful? Lets take two possible schemes:

1) if you use Elottronix XL inside a sequencer, then you have the configurable click from the sequencer, so no need of another one;

2) when using Elottronix XL for playing live, lets say in a host like Chainer, the "click" sound from Elottronix XL would get mixed at the outs with the loop from the plugin itself, so it would completely ruin its use (if you play live, I suppose you need the "click" in a different pair of outs, so you can monitorize it apart from the main signal).
We could solve it by routing the "click" to another pair of outs, but FX with multiple outs aren't supported by the vast majority of hosts. You should use Audiomulch of something like that to make it usable.

A third possibility would be creating an independent "metronome" VST, which you could run in a different FX slot of your sequencer and, this way, route it to any physical out of your sound card. I don't know if it already exists something like that, any ideas?

Sahul

TobyBear MetroGnome?

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TobyBear MetroGnome?

Yes, that's the idea, but I couldn't make it work in SynthEdit, it just produced a continuous beep and didn't responded to volume changes, very strange. I'll test it in Cubase and see what happens.

Sahul

Strikes me that using Chainer it really would be ok to use a metronome on another channel and synch everything to Chainer , I think that's ok.
The only desperate reason for having a click actually in Elottronix is if you were using it in 'manual'.