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AuthorTopic: kyma vs vst
jonas the plugexpert
Posted: 31st May 2003 17:31
áfter drooling over kyma's outlook and possibilities ( http://www.symbolicsound.com/brochure/index.html )

I have to ask y'all this :

is there a vst plugin that has the "morph" option in it?

that would be sweet
Scot Solida
Posted: 31st May 2003 17:35
Lots of plugs can morph between presets, but Kyma seems to be the only synth that can morph between different synthesis types. It's expensive, but unique (at this point, anyhow).
jonas the plugexpert
Posted: 2nd June 2003 00:09
"(at this point, anyhow)."


true that,..with the rate home pc power is expanding,.surely in the near future some developer will pull it off? Those examples on the kyma site ,.make me reminisce 'bout aphex twin records.

+ I think they used it in the animatrix episodes also,..sounds in those are just awesome
R'yleh
Posted: 2nd June 2003 05:48
you can morph between different fx types with the mulit-fx-container in
Orion Platinum. But this is no fft morph just smoothly changing from one fx
( or fx-chain ) to another.
I would also like to have a kyma, but i dont want to sell my car for that.

A kyma vst would be cool. But you need a very fast computer to runs sucha monster, i think
Aktion
Posted: 2nd June 2003 09:36
Yeah, Kyma is still unbeatable but we will see in future Smile

Aktion
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Polyhex
Posted: 3rd June 2003 04:41
Cough cough


http://www.kvr-vst.com/news.php?id=1042
CreepJoint
Posted: 3rd June 2003 05:09
Hi, just wanted to point out that Kyma cant morph between synths or effects, not unless you use the realtime resynthesis options. Anyway it may be expensive but your not just paying for a processing box, it has fantastic ad/da converters too, beats the ass off my Pulsar2. New software upgrade coming soon allowing kyma to be inserted as an AU unit, like PulsarXTC is with VST.

You can do realtime sound morping with Csound or PD which are both free and theres Silence which makes Csound a VST synth or effect.
jonas the plugexpert
Posted: 3rd June 2003 10:07
I neeedddd thhhisssss! damn 3300$ ,.they should sponsor me! Smile I'mma write them a letter,..no fucking joke!!!!!!!!
aMUSEd
Posted: 3rd June 2003 10:11
Looks a bit like Reaktor

I get the impression from the site this Kyma is a MAC only thing?

Pity its not a VST/i
CreepJoint
Posted: 3rd June 2003 10:26
Hey,

nah, the software runs on mac and pc, connects to your puter via a pci card or firewire. 3300 bucks gets you the basic system with 2 cards. You can upgrade it to 28 cards, each card is about 580 bucks. Trouble is you nee quite a few cards to really do wild stuff. You have to remember here in europe you then have to pay import costs. I had to pay an extra 400 euro on top of the cost price, good thing with the euro so strong at the mo its 20% cheaper than last year. This machine rocks, the best toy I ever bought.
Scot Solida
Posted: 3rd June 2003 10:30
There's a PC version too. In fact you can not only choose between platforms, but between interfaces. You can get a PCI card, a PCMCIA cardbuss version, or a firewire version.

Keep in mind that the $3300 price is for the bare-bones setup. It has tow of the DSP cards in the mainframe for that price. You can have a lot more (at $595 each).

The only funny thing: It's audio and MIDI must be routed via traditional audio and MIDI cables. In other words, you treat it like a hardware synth, running a MIDI cable out of your PC and into the back of the mainframe, and then audio cables (of every concievable type) from the mainframe back to you computer's audio interface. Kinda kooky. Still, it is really a stunner. Of course, the upcoming CA5000 will do many of the things Kyma can do and for around 15 precent of the cost. Tough decision!
ugo
Posted: 7th June 2003 08:52
yes, as scott mentioned, its worth keeping in mind that $3300 just gets you started.

i saw a kyma clinic a few years back and i was both amazed and disappointed.

i was amazed at its ability and sound...it really can do everything they say it can. fantastic.

...but...

i was disappointed to discover that a $3300 basic system could only provide 2 or 3 notes of polyphony when doing resynthesis/morphing of samples.

of course, thats not all that kyma can do but its what i was most interested in so my enthusiasim for the system greatly diminished.

if camel's new synth can provide high quality resynthesis in a vsti then it will be a dream come true for me.

-ugo
realmarco
Posted: 7th June 2003 10:42
http://www.soundhack.com/
aMUSEd
Posted: 7th June 2003 11:34
ugo wrote:

i was disappointed to discover that a $3300 basic system could only provide 2 or 3 notes of polyphony when doing resynthesis/morphing of samples.


So to get more polyphony and realtime power etc you need to add more cards? - well I think my system only has one PCI slot - maybe 2 max - how do you fit 20+ PCI cards in a system? That doesn't make sense. Wouldn't you need a special motherboard then as well?
ianscott111
Posted: 7th June 2003 12:06
aMUSEd,

Kyma is actually the software. It also comes with a Capybara, which is the hardware. The DSP chips (or whatever they are) are in the Capybara, so when you want to expand the system, you put the cards in the Capybara.

Ian
azrix
Posted: 7th June 2003 14:02
Yeah. Kyma uses an expansion chassis, the Capybara ( http://www.symbolicsound.com/capybara1/index.html ). It connects to your computer via a pci card, pcmcia card, or a firewire connection. The dsp expansion cards go in to the Capybara, not your computer.
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