My Quad Frohmage is a nice filter but I can't get it to work stereo, how stupid... who knows which one is stereo

Filter Search kvr-db

I mean stereo
Cheers,.. ughm,..

Huh? All of the other Ohmforce FX are stereo, so I'd be pretty sure you can use QF in stereo too.... I'd have thought you should be able to independently pan each filter, no? Sure you've not missed a knob somewhere?

Waldorf D-Pole is stereo
TC Filtrator is
Autopole in Cubase is (which I think is either an MDA or FXpansion written plugin, and presumably available separately)
And there must be a few Synthedit stereo filter plugins around
In fact, come to think of it, almost all VST2 compatible filter plugins must be stereo.

Jelmer wrote:

My Quad Frohmage is a nice filter but I can't get it to work stereo, how stupid... who knows which one is stereo Filter Search kvr-db I mean stereo Cheers,.. ughm,..

What do You exactly mean with STERO Filter?

Of course the output is mostly stereo. But the internal processing is not always stereo...

Do You mean split filters? Two independent filters, one for each channel (left and right) or what?

I know, some filters mix the input of the two channels together before filtering. This is then definitively a mono filter, even if those have a stereo output.

lux

kritikon wrote:

Huh? All of the other Ohmforce FX are stereo, ...

Huh? Predatohm isn't and I wish it were...

Same for Quadfrohmage: Wish it was stereo. Ok, you can configure the 4 filters to act as 2 stereo filters, but that's not the same. And for Predatohm: I use mostly stereo signals and would really like to process them true stereo instead of mono with added pseudo-stereo effect.
P L E A S E , MAKE YOUR PLUGS TRUE STEREO!!!

Jelmer wrote:

My Quad Frohmage is a nice filter but I can't get it to work stereo, how stupid...

Classic Skin: Above the Master Level Meter is a button to switch it to Stereo In.

Funky Skin: It's the switch with green/turkis label above the Master fader.

When you select Stereo In, Filter 1 and 3 will take the LEFT signal as input and Filter 2 and 4 will take the RIGHT signal as input - presupposed you have set all filters to 'parallel' in the Routing box.
You can edit the same parameter of all filters at once by holding down Control-Key (Mac) or - I guess - Right-Click (PC).

thanks man,..I completely overlooked that button...how stupid
I was messing around with the panning...but nothing worked..until now..

because of this I had to try a range of different filters...there's much of useless plugins around (they cannot be opened completely) and they use a lot of cpu doing nothing...

thanks...this now is the best filter plugin for me again...

cheers..

Wow... Thanks for that reply. Of course QF is stereo ! This is designed to be the absolute filterbank, we wouldn't have left that behind

BTW, yes, a Predatohm is on our stereo wish list as well. It was designed first for typical mono signal stuff such as loops, bass, guitar and we didn't realise it would be that good just to produce sound without destroying it completely first

The only issue is that our wish list is rather long ...

Red_Force wrote:

yes, a Predatohm is on our stereo wish list as well.

That's very good news indeed!!!

Red_Force wrote:

The only issue is that our wish list is rather long ...

That's very bad news. (In concern of Stereo Predatohm that is)

Couldnt you summat like Chainer or EnergyXT to run a separate copy of an effect for each side of a stereo track?

virtualcreations funkfx is a stereo filter and more...

whyterabbyt wrote:

Couldnt you summat like Chainer or EnergyXT to run a separate copy of an effect for each side of a stereo track?

That's what I am doing at the moment, routing audio to two seperate busses with one Predatohm each.
But hey... I always have to copy the changes made in one instance to the other one, have to sdetup that routing, etc. not really what I call convenient, fun or workflow.

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Same for Quadfrohmage: Wish it was stereo. Ok, you can configure the 4 filters to act as 2 stereo filters, but that's not the same.

Actually, it is... Except that you have two filters per channel instead of four... once stereo in is enabled of course. This way you 100% that it's not only stereo out, but stereo processed (with accurate control of each channel... and the possibility to ssligthly delay one for stereo expand, yummy ).

BTW If you want to use classic stereo filters open the classic patches and check presets from 4 to 8 : they are generally directly settled up for stereo usage.

Red_Force wrote:

Quote: Same for Quadfrohmage: Wish it was stereo. Ok, you can configure the 4 filters to act as 2 stereo filters, but that's not the same. Actually, it is... Except that you have two filters per channel instead of four... once stereo in is enabled of course.

That's what I mean, when I say "it's not the same"... If it was true stereo right from the beginning (at the cost of CPU of course), I wouldn't have to care about setting up two filters with the same parameters.
Also it is not easily possible to have 2 (stereo)filters in series, the only easy thing (i.e. with one push of a button) is to route filter 1 and 2 (as L and R) into combined mono 3 and that one into mono 4. Yes, you can have 2 (stereo)filters in series by switching 1/2 and 3/4 to serial and 12/34 to parallel, but then suddenly Band 3 is the RIGHT channel which before in (stereo) parallel routing was one of the two LEFT channels. Would be not really a big problem if there was the possibility to copy one whole Band's settings to another Band, but that option doesn't exist.

No doubt Quadfrohmage is one of the best filter plugins and you can do so many freakin things with it, but true stereo processing (i.e. one can switch from mono to stereo and everything behaves still the same) would be necessery to really call it the "ultimate" filter plugin (as would be the supply of more variance in filter characters).
Yet again, 8 filters (4xStereo) would be quite a CPU hog, so I understand you didn't put it in from the start. But shouldn't the user just be able to decide for him/herself in that case?

Well, with right click you can control all the filter parameters at once. RIght click cutoff of filter 1, and you'll move cutoff 2, 3 ,4 as well. There are also combo to have absolute or relative link. Once familiar with this it's really very fast - and if you only want one stereo filter, you're done.

About the rest of you're post, I think that Ivory is about to answer...

Red_Force wrote:

Well, with right click you can control all the filter parameters at once. RIght click cutoff of filter 1, and you'll move cutoff 2, 3 ,4 as well. There are also combo to have absolute or relative link. Once familiar with this it's really very fast - and if you only want one stereo filter, you're done.

I know of those options (and have mentioned them in this thread, too), not to forget the incredible inverse-link option
but still....

Red_Force wrote:

About the rest of you're post, I think that Ivory is about to answer...

dr.wackler wrote:

Red_Force wrote: About the rest of you're post, I think that Ivory is about to answer...

hum, well, it seems i don't have a lot of things to learn you about stereo processing in QF!!
You are right, when you switch to 1-2, 3-4, and 12//34 you get two serial stereo filters, but the filter 3 is now the right input.
Don't forget to lower the output gain of bands 1&3 to only get the output of 2&4

At the begining, we wanted to put only two stereo filters, and limit us to 4 (mono) filter units. But to get a richer plugin, we decided to have 4 mono filters instead and added all the routing stuff, which is more powerful.


I understand your frustration, and we are thinking about changing a little how the right-click behave : when you are in stereo mode, right click would only act on the two related filters, what do u think?

We might also add later a copy/past between the bands, as we do at the moment for parameter modulation.

Anyway, i am really in love with this plugins, and with its limitations! as much as i am in love with the Sherman FilterBank even if it is mono

Jerome

Ivory_Force wrote:

But to get a richer plugin, we decided to have 4 mono filters instead and added all the routing stuff, which is more powerful.

Indeed it is, and it was a good decission!

Ivory_Force wrote:

I understand your frustration, and we are thinking about changing a little how the right-click behave : when you are in stereo mode, right click would only act on the two related filters, what do u think?

That would be very very fine for a start.
And then after you have made Predatohm true stereo, you can add the true stereo option (8 filters) to Quadfrohmage (CPUs will be even more powerfull then )

Ivory_Force wrote:

We might also add later a copy/past between the bands, as we do at the moment for parameter modulation.

Yes please!