http://www.emagic.de/products/st/spacedesigner/index.php?lang=EN



and perfect integration with logic(built in as part of it)..my new mac is starting to look better now

oh, with internal latency compensation!

and check out that gui

that looks smooooth and sexy to me

Looks sweet!!

very nice indeed


apparently its rrp is 449 euros

still, its cheaper than altiverb, and certainly looks like it has better functionality....

better start saving

thanks for the heads up ttoz, and welcome to mac-land

ttoz wrote:

http://www.emagic.de/products/st/spacedesigner/index.php?lang=EN and perfect integration with logic(built in as part of it)..my new mac is starting to look better now

Good luck running a few of those on a G4.

ALtiverb is more than 449 euro's???! . I thought it was free like SiR.

well this is the first time I regret to have ditched logic and didn't go mac

ttoz wrote:

http://www.emagic.de/products/st/spacedesigner/index.php?lang=EN and perfect integration with logic(built in as part of it)..my new mac is starting to look better now

Quite amazing that latency compensation is now becoming a "feature" !!!
In the Sonar and DirectX world, it has been there always and by design.

It looks great and it's got the word designer on it. How ... Apple.

And what exactly is the big deal? So you get to pay bigtime for a plug not unlike a PC freeware VST (SIR)...

why is it that you pc guy's are hating like we're always saying something ccheap about wintel computers. seems like penis envy or something

BIGBABY987 wrote:

why is it that you pc guy's are hating like we're always saying something ccheap about wintel computers. seems like penis envy or something

What exactly is your problem?

I just asked what is the big deal? Is there something I missed? Or is this just an expensive SIR?

I am not debating the relative merits of the two platforms (both are more than adequate).

I cant believe altiverb costs that much. And that Mac people actualy buy it. You could buy a whole PC specifically for SiR for that much. Amazing. No penis envy here, just sticker shock.

Rik wrote:

ttoz wrote: http://www.emagic.de/products/st/spacedesigner/index.php?lang=EN and perfect integration with logic(built in as part of it)..my new mac is starting to look better now Quite amazing that latency compensation is now becoming a "feature" !!! In the Sonar and DirectX world, it has been there always and by design.

and let's just go into how good sonar's latency compensation is again

read carefully, INTERNAL latency compensation...logic has always had latency compensation from version 4 for inserts and vsti's..but i think in the space designer's case it is doing some sort of self techno wizardry so the signal doesn't actually get delayed at all

Well I've got SIR delay compensated here in Tracktion which costs £50.

Automatic latency/delay compensation is something that is host based. Which means SIR will have full automatic latency compensation in Cubase SX v2 since that is supported in that version. In Cubase SX v1 it only has compensation when being run as an Insert effect. Which is in some cases not a problem but it makes it difficult to use as a master reverb for a track. There is no way to not delay the signal when doing advanced calculations.. There are ways to delay it more and less and also ways to delay all tracks of an equal amount of time which is a feature that's been in most sequencers the last few years to various degrees..

Penis envy you say?.. Well i dunno, I can't say it's wrong to question the prices big corps put on products that you can find free elsewhere.. Sadly SIR is PC only, would've been interesting to see if Emagic and AltiVerb could have set a prices like that with SIR around for free.. I don't doubt Emagic's reverb being superior to SIR but it's sad they're able to put prices like that since you could start thinking about running more freeware and buying better hardware instead.. Especially since it's even likely you'll be running alot of impulses from Noisevault that you can get for free.. I mean come on? 500 euro?.. You could buy a used TC reverb for that or half a Powercore..

The Altiverb has a "no latency-high processor" mode which is critical to me for using softsynths in real time. I wonder if Space Designer's Latency Compensation is the same thing?

I also wonder if Space Designer will be able to use all the amazing IRs from Altiverb.....

And it may be a little gimmicky, but I'm a sucker for Altiverb's photos - and now they've added VRs!

ttoz wrote:

Rik wrote: ttoz wrote: http://www.emagic.de/products/st/spacedesigner/index.php?lang=EN and perfect integration with logic(built in as part of it)..my new mac is starting to look better now Quite amazing that latency compensation is now becoming a "feature" !!! In the Sonar and DirectX world, it has been there always and by design. and let's just go into how good sonar's latency compensation is again read carefully, INTERNAL latency compensation...logic has always had latency compensation from version 4 for inserts and vsti's..but i think in the space designer's case it is doing some sort of self techno wizardry so the signal doesn't actually get delayed at all

Internal or external, I think convolution requires a good buffer to process anything !

does anyone realise, that the 1000 included impules, will most likely be of the utmost quality and variety, and will probably make the price worth it?

i mean, SIR aside, look at the price of a hardware convolution unit, and this starts to look more appealing.not to mention, RRP has nothing to do with what we will end up paying...there are some webstores around that have huge margins to play with with emagic software, and you will be able to find some killer deals. i for one am VERY excited about this verb.

Exactly. As great a deal as SIR is, the impulses that this Emagic thing, Altiverb, & Samplitude include are worth a lot. It'd be smart (& great for us) for the Altiverb people to start selling their impulse library as a separate product.

i rememebr reading that digital performer was worth buying just so you could use altiverb...

that thing has one of the sleekest gui's i ever saw shamon

As it say's on the Emagic site (It's for high end user's) so if you can't afford it then don't worry about it, there are many good reverbs out there, but if you really need the very best then you can have it for less than an average hardware one, the price could be a little lower and it may end up being so, but even at this price, it's a bargain, and those that think it will be the same as SIR, then think again, this will be the uttmost Quality.

Emagic and Apple mean bussiness, and they are going to start to take on the high end, protools beware, and this is the start of that, they will not be making everything that that they put out this expensive, but this is somthing special, and complaining about the price is crazy, think how much a reverb of this quality would cost in the hardware world, yes thousands.

anon wrote:

As it say's on the Emagic site (It's for high end user's) so if you can't afford it then don't worry about it, there are many good reverbs out there, but if you really need the very best then you can have it for less than an average hardware one, the price could be a little lower and it may end up being so, but even at this price, it's a bargain, and those that think it will be the same as SIR, then think again, this will be the uttmost Quality. Emagic and Apple mean bussiness, and they are going to start to take on the high end, protools beware, and this is the start of that, they will not be making everything that that they put out this expensive, but this is somthing special, and complaining about the price is crazy, think how much a reverb of this quality would cost in the hardware world, yes thousands.

How do you know. Heard it have you?

nuffink wrote:

anon wrote: As it say's on the Emagic site (It's for high end user's) so if you can't afford it then don't worry about it, there are many good reverbs out there, but if you really need the very best then you can have it for less than an average hardware one, the price could be a little lower and it may end up being so, but even at this price, it's a bargain, and those that think it will be the same as SIR, then think again, this will be the uttmost Quality. Emagic and Apple mean bussiness, and they are going to start to take on the high end, protools beware, and this is the start of that, they will not be making everything that that they put out this expensive, but this is somthing special, and complaining about the price is crazy, think how much a reverb of this quality would cost in the hardware world, yes thousands. How do you know. Heard it have you?

no one has heard it yet. but i'd bet my left testacle it is going to be the bomb---that's how confident I am...

anon wrote:

but if you really need the very best then you can have it for less than an average hardware one but even at this price, it's a bargain, and those that think it will be the same as SIR, then think again, this will be the uttmost Quality. but this is somthing special, and complaining about the price is crazy, think how much a reverb of this quality would cost in the hardware world, yes thousands.

ttoz,

you mean someone wrote this without actually hearing it?

oddly enough i thought convolution reverbs are all exactly the same as the use exactly the same amthematical process to convert he input isgnal into aan output - the stuff that your paying for is filer enevlopes and eqs etc - all of which can be applied after using other plugs - the only clever bit is a no latency mode (if thatds what it means)

So ultimately a convolution reverb is as good as the impulses - and the noisevault ones are pretty solid

PS i am quite willing to beleive im talking shi'ite

ericj23 wrote:

PS i am quite willing to beleive im talking shi'ite

Eric,

You aint.

A proove that K-v-R seems to be the most active forum

There was no post actually on logic's forums in general about space designer

Krakatau wrote:

A proove that K-v-R seems to be the most active forum There was no post actually on logic's forums in general about space designer

click image for a closeup

Any idea what the "deconvolution" button in the upper right corner could be for?

dr.wackler wrote:

Any idea what the "deconvolution" button in the upper right corner could be for?

Could it be that it's capable of removing reverb, for example, if you've got an impulse of that reverb?

RE:anon's post - might be one of the beta testers....

http://www.voxengo.com/deconvolver/

I believe it is used to make your own IRs.

jupiter8 wrote:

http://www.voxengo.com/deconvolver/ I believe it is used to make your own IRs.

Thanks for the link! Unfortunaltely my English seems to be not good enough to really get it. Don't quite understand what the mean with "... a rather large set of recorded test tones that were run through some device or mic'ed in some room. This poses the difficulty of recovering the impulses conveniently and with minimal user effort."
What exactly is the process of recovering, what has to be recovered? Do they mean the analysis and conversion of the impulses?

yes oh bearded one - thats essentially it

To translate it into yobbo

"Its a pain in the proverbials to turn shit loads of tones into a single impulse - we need a gizmo (or a tea boy) to do it for us !"

And voxengo provided - and all the cryptic stuff about changing bit depth is because SIR used to only support 16 bit - but no longer

Not sure about the comment about some poor deconvolution processes - should i go off and try a couple of them and then compare em ?

Anyone interested ?

ericj23 wrote:

oddly enough i thought convolution reverbs are all exactly the same as the use exactly the same amthematical process to convert he input isgnal into aan output - the stuff that your paying for is filer enevlopes and eqs etc - all of which can be applied after using other plugs - the only clever bit is a no latency mode (if thatds what it means) So ultimately a convolution reverb is as good as the impulses - and the noisevault ones are pretty solid PS i am quite willing to beleive im talking shi'ite

You're completely right.

It sounds absolutely AMAZING... completely high-end... and doesn't kill the current G4s...

can't say anymore...

NDA.