Im looking for a NORMALIZER plug, ive searched for information on the net,all i found is a plug that adds some sort of NOISE [?!] to the waveform.

im looking for a plug the actually normalizes the sound to 0-DB
simpley NORMALIZER.

please help !
thanx

if i remember right, sascha did one of these. you might want to have a dig around digitalphishphones.
also - try tobybear maybe?

thought so

here it's here --> http://www.digitalfishphones.com/main.php?item=2&subItem=6

black_dew wrote:

all i found is a plug that adds some sort of NOISE [?!] to the waveform.

That's probably something to fix the P4 de-normalization problem that I've heard talked about on the forums. Don't know of any plugs to do normalization.

That fishphones plug in the above post is the type that your searches found. It doesn't bring your levels up to 0db.

oh phuck!
i totally misread your post
ignore me, I'm an idiot

normalisation is generally closest to compression. Unfortunately, normalisation is an offline process, because the whole file has to be read in order to establish a mean to normalise to.
a good compressor is your real-time equivalent.

there. that's better.

its ok man,you r not an idiot.
hehe, maybe i had to make a greater effort to reach the normalization situtation with a typical compressor

anyway thanx...meanwhile ill be satisfied with a compressor, but im still looking for a volume normalizer plug.

Have you checked your host to see if it has a normalization feature? Many do.

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i read all the messages too late...
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I'm not sure a Normalizer plugin can exist...
Normilize = set the highest volume to 0db so you have to read the all file to detect this highest volume.
A VST plugin read samples array by samples array...
And once one array is processed it cannot do anything anymore on it.
Am i wrong ?

I have 5 hosts and everyone of them has built in normalization. Look around. It's probably there. Maybe under audio editing, or tools or something.
What host do you use? Let a fellow user point it out to you.

This plugin would have to run over the whole song to get the peak volume and than run a second time to change the volume. This isn't a task for a plugin, bt for the host.

Closest you can get as an effect is a limiter.

have you tried hitting the keys harder?

I boke the '' key when I tied that.

In that case just sit closer to the monitors.

Ixox wrote:

<EDITED> i read all the messages too late... </EDITED> I'm not sure a Normalizer plugin can exist... Normilize = set the highest volume to 0db so you have to read the all file to detect this highest volume. A VST plugin read samples array by samples array... And once one array is processed it cannot do anything anymore on it. Am i wrong ?

Why the "ooops"-edit? You're absolutely right, normalizing exists only as a offline/destructive process.
Though one program i know that kind of does non-destructive normalizing is Adaptec/Roxio Jam, where it searches for the peak of a file and then simply adjusts the volume fader.

What you can do manually though, is to reset the Peak Level Meter of your Master Channel, then run the whole track/song. The Peak Level Meter should now show at what dB level the highest peak was and you can adjust the volume fader accordingly.

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Though one program i know that kind of does non-destructive normalizing is Adaptec/Roxio Jam, where it searches for the peak of a file and then simply adjusts the volume fader.

Most hosts do ist this way. The look for the peakvolume and adjust the volume of the whole file e.g. Wavelab does ist this.

Well, Cubase SX does non-destructive normalising. Or more to the point, non-destructive everything.

Except for beat-slicing, which a real SNAFU.

helium wrote:

Quote: Though one program i know that kind of does non-destructive normalizing is Adaptec/Roxio Jam, where it searches for the peak of a file and then simply adjusts the volume fader. Most hosts do ist this way. The look for the peakvolume and adjust the volume of the whole file e.g. Wavelab does ist this.

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... that kind of does non-destructive normalizing ...

Phaedo wrote:

Well, Cubase SX does non-destructive normalising. Or more to the point, non-destructive everything.

Are you talking about Multiple Undo here or is there really a function where you can tell Cubase to automativcally set the volume fader of a track to optimum level?

No, I'm saying that if you perform any audio processing on a file (including normalise), it doesn't affect the original file. Moreover, it keeps a record of all the processing performed on the file, allowing you to, for instance, look at the history, discover five operations and remove the second of them. All without changing the files on the disk. Seriously useful offline processing in other words.

Phaedo wrote:

No, I'm saying that if you perform any audio processing on a file (including normalise), it doesn't affect the original file. Moreover, it keeps a record of all the processing performed on the file, allowing you to, for instance, look at the history, discover five operations and remove the second of them. All without changing the files on the disk. Seriously useful offline processing in other words.

Perfect description of 'Multiple Undo'.

Nah, multiple undo is quite different (it's got that too). Multiple undo is where you can roll back changes you have made to a project sequentially. Needless to say, it's damn useful (especially when you start Fing with time signatures and your MIDI tracks were on beat timing...) but it's quite different from the offline process history, both in concept and execution. The only thing they've got in common is the ability to reverse out changes you've made.

Interesting! Emagic Logic and Prosoniq SonicWORX have the history you described before, too. SonicWORX even has it as a tree structure, so you can tell from where a sub-edit or sub-sub-edit came (and reverse it if you want). You can also listen to the edits, select those you'd like to keep and clear the rest. That means, you (destructively) edit away and in the end decide what you like. After all, its simply called "Undo" there.
This Offline Process History in Cubase, is this a per file history, i.e. independed for each audiofile you edited?

A plug doest exist that normalizes

www.sinusweb.de

CAlled peakcompressor. Put it on the master channel, run it without the compressor, play the song once, and you're set (with normalize selected)


cmon, id think youd guys know about the sinusweb stuff!

-R bert

As the guys rightly said, normalising is a process where the HOST has to find the maximum peak and set the master fader appropriately.
Alternatively, you can use a limiter that does not let through signals above 0dB. Strictly speaking this is not normalising but maximising, as the sound gets slightly altered by cutting off the tops of the wave curves.

Good and free limiters are:

http://www.digitalfishphones.com:

endorphin (although this technically is a compressor plus saturation stage that limits the sound to – 0.01 dB).

http://hem.bredband.net/tbtaudio/index.html:

TLs Maximizer

Cheers, Pädy