As i mostly use delays for weird stuff Ohmboyz is my first choice. (and Spektral Delay)

But then again i´m stunned to see how damn "expensive", brilliant and rich the PSP 42 delay sounds.
It´s so ... erm ... super-hi-fi ...

TopStuff ..

Comments?

putte

The only criticism of the product I can think of is: why would you want it when there's a PSP84?

PSP42 have a phrase sampling mode that apparently is not in PSP84. I still have to figure out how it works. Hey I've only had it for year!

Gordon

Tried the demo of both and thought what a waste of money. There's nothing special about these delays.

I'll stick with OhmBoyz.

Chagzuki ... i first also doubted why i should use it, but then i realized it´s opulence ... it´s like a Mercedes, when it comes to soundquality.

putte

Putte is right on PSP42 sound veryy rich to me also and I'm using a dreaded PC with Windows

In eXT I can create delays and then use any EQ I want to filter.

I'm using the PSP84 demo now and I'm not hearing this amazing sound quality you speak of.

okay

Bear in mind that PSPxx isn't a modDelay, it actually performs physical tape simulation. So you're not getting the same behaviour.

What's important in terms of sound quality in a delay anyhow?

c: how do you go about creating a delay in ext?
is this a matter of manually editing and repeating notes at lowered velocity, volume levels or ???

Oh, I just meant I could use any of the freeware/commercial delays and route it to any other plugin, etc..

Yeah, doing a feedback loop might be a bit trickier.

It's not actually a tape delay simulator:
it simulates the digital delay PCM42 from lexicon:
a fantastic delay that can modulate the delay buffer both with lfo and envelope following , and have a repeat command (which is kind of strange cause it takes a random part of the buffer).
other strong points: a lo fi button to double the delay time, halving the sample rate and an analog limiter circuit on the input.....

the emu is quite good! it capture lot of the character.... but I own the original so why buy the emu?
jocoltrane

chagzuki wrote:

What's important in terms of sound quality in a delay anyhow?

I've never understood delays and what they *should* sound like. The only non-reverb delay I ever use is the Logic TapeDelay which I set to damp out high frequencies very quickly. Nice way to fatten up a lead sound.

Victor.

chagzuki wrote:

I'm using the PSP84 demo now and I'm not hearing this amazing sound quality you speak of.

You might want to buy a new pair of monitors then - or a new pair of ears maybe...

My ears and monitors are fine. This one I just don't buy into. Flicking through the presets I think 'I have no need for any of these sounds'. Somewhat like Hematohm - that one never gets used.

Mind you, I never liked Vintage Warmer. I'm not a great PSP fan.

TennesseeVic wrote:

chagzuki wrote: What's important in terms of sound quality in a delay anyhow? I've never understood delays and what they *should* sound like. The only non-reverb delay I ever use is the Logic TapeDelay which I set to damp out high frequencies very quickly. Nice way to fatten up a lead sound. Victor.

It's not a matter of how it 'should' sound like, it's a matter of having a different tonal characteristic that's different than your average delay. If you like the sound of a tape delay, PSP's Lexicon's are pretty nice. I liked what I heard when I played with them, but stopped quickly, because I didn't want to fall in love with a delay that was $149! No thanks.

Devon

I did the opposite. I tried to like it and found nothing out of the ordinary.

I guess I've reached a saturation point in terms of the tools I have. I barely need any more VSTs. I need orchestral sample libraries.
SIR has cleared up reverb problems.
I'm also hoping for a quality compressor - perhaps the Sonalksis one will deliver.

chagzuki wrote:

I did the opposite. I tried to like it and found nothing out of the ordinary. I guess I've reached a saturation point in terms of the tools I have. I barely need any more VSTs. I need orchestral sample libraries. SIR has cleared up reverb problems. I'm also hoping for a quality compressor - perhaps the Sonalksis one will deliver.

Got a UAD-1 yet?

Devon

Nope.
I've heard only good things.

CAn you direct me to a review or two on UAD vs Powercore.

Thanks,
Gordon

Beardedone wrote:

CAn you direct me to a review or two on UAD vs Powercore. Thanks, Gordon

I can sum it up in one word. Infuckincredible! How's that for a review? Seriously, I don't have links for reviews though. I've heard UAD-1 in action, and was suitably impressed. From what I've read, UAD-1 for a vintage sound, as its strengths are the compressor and EQ. Powercore is strong at the more 'modern' sound. That's about all I remember. Either way, you really can't go wrong for HIGH quality effects. I need a UAD-1 still.

Devon

Quote:

I need a UAD-1 still.

Ooh That's gotta hurt! I thought you had one already. I'll talk to Santa if you like.

Thanks DevonB!

Cheers,
Gordon

Beardedone wrote:

Quote: I need a UAD-1 still. Ooh That's gotta hurt! I thought you had one already. I'll talk to Santa if you like. Thanks DevonB! Cheers, Gordon

No, I was JUST about to buy one and stopped as I watched the account dwindle and resorted priorities! Soon, I hope though.

Devon

Phaedo wrote:

Yeah, doing a feedback loop might be a bit trickier.

Can you do a feedback loop with the PSP delays? Or do you mean with eXT? Either way, I'd love to hear more about this!

chagzuki wrote:

My ears and monitors are fine. This one I just don't buy into. Flicking through the presets I think 'I have no need for any of these sounds'. Somewhat like Hematohm - that one never gets used.

You definitely need something extra. Hematohm is an amazing plug-in (in my top five) and PSP?? have great character. Still love my OhmBoyz and, like putte, Spektral Delay, an amazing piece of work.

Chagzuki,
if you took this silly rubber off, maybe you could hear what PSP is about...

Can't you see the special auditory fibres emanating from the sides of my head?

Uncle E wrote:

Phaedo wrote: Yeah, doing a feedback loop might be a bit trickier. Can you do a feedback loop with the PSP delays? Or do you mean with eXT? Either way, I'd love to hear more about this!

Don't think it can be done, sadly. There's two things you need to be able to do this (it would certainly be desirable)
i) Use a delay that is only playing the delay line, or have a delay with multiple outputs.
ii) Route the output of the delay back to the original delay (after passing through weird stuff)

Now, ii) is naively impossible, but conceptually possible if you insert a 1 sample delay into the chain. Problem is, plug-ins process more than 1 sample at a time, so you'd have to insert a plug-in process block of delay. And fiddle the time on the delay to take that into account. And have EnergyXT support all of this. Be very cool, though.

Which leaves things like PSP84 which have routing possibilities beyond those of VST making weird, unique noises.

On reflection, the "trickier" should have had a smiley on it. Sorry.