Hello,

Does anyone know if there is a plug-in available (and it's important that it's a PLUG-IN and NOT a VSTi) which enables you to alter parameters of a drum loop on the fly.

Basically, I would like to be able to have a drum loop playing in my sequencer with all the Inserts effecting it and load up a plug-in that enables me to, for example, change the pitch of the first snare by +10 semitones, change the snare on the third beat by +4 semitones, etc, etc all on the fly while the loop is playing.

I know you can chop loops up in Cubase (my sequencer) and alter the parameters of the hits, but this you cannot do on the fly and when you are doing this in Cubase, it doesn't perform these functions on the effected loop but performs it on the dry loops without the Inserts added.

ioplong (http://andreas.smartelectronix.com) seem to do something like this but it's more of a reordering plug-in rather than a parameter changer.

Your suggestions would be greatly appreciated and make my life a lot easier.

Also, I have searched this site and done a search on Google but haven't come across anything like I've needed.


Thanks,


Aurelius

Do you mean something like Dr.REX but in a plug-in format???

I don't understand what you mean by it has to be a plug-in and not a VSTi... surely anything that makes noise is a VSTi or DXi etc..

a confused mofo wrote:

and it's important that it's a PLUG-IN and NOT a VSTi

this makes no sense.
the majority of things that could do this are VSTi/Dxi instruments and these ARE plugins.

the only effect (and this is what I assume you mean by plug-in ) would be ioplong splongki as you mentioned. This plugin can change the tune of the slices without re-ordering - maybe you didn't look into it deeply enough?

imho - you should look at AMG One/Solo if you're looking for a good loop player with real time controls.

VST plug-ins are totally different to VSTi's.

A VST plug-in is an effect programme you can use either on an Insert or Send slot on an Audio Channel within your seqeuncer.

A VSTi is a plug-in instrument which you control via MIDI within your sequencer.

After writing your composition with the VSTi you then tend to bounce the MIDI to Audio and process it with effect plug-ins thereafter.

I am looking for a plug-in which just processes the bounced and effected audio - a VSTi is no use because I don't need to re-sequence the drum loop I'm trying to process - I just want to alter the audio on the fly.

In fact, I have used a VSTi (Phatmatik Pro) and tried to alter the hits to my liking with this, but because I am running the bounced loop through the Cubase sound engine again it is ruining the sound of my bounced loop (which sounds pretty much how I want it to sound before I try to re-sequence it in Phatmatik Pro).

If a VSTi was the same as a VST plug-in then I would be able to use Phatmatik Pro on a Channel Insert on an Audio Channel but you can't because it's a VSTi!!

Try and run a VSTi on an Insert on an Audio Channel and see what I mean.

Some VSTi's can be run as effects (Reaktor, for example) but most are just Instruments, hence the difference between a VST plug-in Instrument and a VST plug-in Effect.

Splongki may do the job but I hoped some of you may have had something like this.

it sounds to me like what you will want is a combination of supatrigga and a real-time pitch shifter (of which there are several to choose from)

Hi

Very confusing comparative explanation of what is a dual purpose and indeed interchangable term in both use and function.

Flipper.

buhanan,

supatrigga? Thanks I'll look around for that.

original flipper,

Well, I may not have explained it clearly (sorry ) but that is the difference between a VSTi Plug-in and a VST Effect Plug-In.

Yes, they are both, technically, Plug-Ins but they perform different remits.

As I said, try and use a VSTi on a Send or Insert on an Audio Channel - on the most part, you can't because they are not effects, they're instruments - hence the VSTi moniker.

Vellocet reorder.
Deconstructor Fx.

Vellocet reorder.
Deconstructor Fx.

Neither of these let you pitch shift individual hits within a loop.

Deconstructor lets you pitch shift globally, which is not what I'm looking for, but thanks anyway.

Looks like this is an idea for any of you VST programmers out there.

Aurelius wrote:

Yes, they are both, technically, Plug-Ins but they perform different remits.

Both VSTis and VSTs are plugins, plain and simple, as are DXs and DXis. This is how the technical language of computer music is generally used. That's why the sentence "it's important that it's a PLUG-IN and NOT a VSTi" is something of an oxymoron.

But nevermind, the point got thru already. And sorry, I can't suggest anything which has not been mentioned already. But I really don't understand the problem with using a VSTi - it shouldn't be "ruining the sound of [your] bounced loop", but if it does, something seems wrong...

Hi Aurelius, i think the big misunderstanding here is the use of the term plugin. You asked for just 'a plugin', and not a VSTI (which makes it sound as if somehow VSTI's are not plugins), you failed to mention you were looking for a VST (i.e. i am looking for a VST plugin) since there are so many flavours of plugins it is probably good to mention..

visa tapani wrote:

But nevermind, the point got thru already.

Yeah, sorry, it was my unclear definition when I first posted, but you know what I mean now.

puerileboy wrote:

Hi Aurelius, i think the big misunderstanding here is the use of the term plugin. You asked for just 'a plugin', and not a VSTI (which makes it sound as if somehow VSTI's are not plugins), you failed to mention you were looking for a VST (i.e. i am looking for a VST plugin) since there are so many flavours of plugins it is probably good to mention..

Yeah, I should of stipulated a VST EFFECT plug-in because that is basically what I'm after.

It looks like I'm going to pursue the Phatmatik route as what visa tapani says is true - it shouldn't alter the sound of the loop and if it does there's something wrong, so I need to look into that.

It's just me being lazy! and a plug-in of this nature would be extremely useful as well.

for the record, you CAN use any Reaktor instrument as an FX insert or send as long as the outputs are in order.

I would take a look at the extensive sampler collection on the user library at NI for something you might be able to use. Also, look under the 'special' catagory.

What you want, sorry, is crazy...
I clearly see what you are after and I also see what
amount of work this plugin would have.
Pretty far out in realtime on an audio track...

Then you mention Phatmatik Pro, so you must know what
amount of work it is to get just a one bar groove going.

The closest thing I know IS a VSTi...
And yes, you need to load awave file in there first too.

Its "BombThatBeat", once you understood how it works,
it is fantastic !

http://www.kvr-vst.com/get/87.html



The guy is back online, just search the news.

Cheers

Midiworks,

Thanks for that!

BombThatBeat looks close to what I'm after.

Whoa! I didn't see that one coming..A new SonicBytes instrument, cool..

Hi Sickle666....this one looks like it's going to be for some serious beat and sample destruction etc...I'm going to get my order in.

Motion wrote:

Hi Sickle666....this one looks like it's going to be for some serious beat and sample destruction etc...I'm going to get my order in.

I'm right behind you.

Hi Sickle666 and Aurelius...just been having a word with Holger earlier...he explained how EST will beat slice in V1 and slices are automatable,he is also working on a Time stretch Algo for a future update......maybe it's worth having a word with him Aurelius to see if EST can pull off what you want but just in a different way.

OK, thanks for that...I'll drop him an email to get some more info on this plug - could be interesting.