Hey All!

Together with the Centrox (a co-developer) I made a new plugin.
The ScatBox, it can be used in various ways.
to convert the audio of a human beatbox in to drum samples (in this version still just a 909). Or just pass any kind of audio though it to create new drum loops in a creative way.

So if you download this plugin, please leave some feedback on it. Which will help us improve this plugin.
You can mail us at development@twistedlemon.nl, leave something on this forum or leave something in the guestbook of our site.

you can download it here -> http://www.twistedlemon.nl

Maybe the american meaning of "Scat" is not known to you? A new name would be best for the VST

oh great.. a box of scat. if this is a box of scat, why isnt there a 'made with synthedit' logo on there?

(kidding of course.. I make SE plugins too)

Alive In Chernobyl wrote:

Maybe the american meaning of "Scat" is not known to you? A new name would be best for the VST

maybe you watch too much bad prOn, and don't listen to enough good music?

darkflame23 wrote:

Alive In Chernobyl wrote: Maybe the american meaning of "Scat" is not known to you? A new name would be best for the VST maybe you watch too much bad prOn, and don't listen to enough good music?

Well at least i have your attention !
Nobody ever leaves a comment

So has anybody some nice ideas for a name then?

darkflame23 wrote:

Alive In Chernobyl wrote: Maybe the american meaning of "Scat" is not known to you? A new name would be best for the VST maybe you watch too much bad prOn, and don't listen to enough good music?

Can this be such a thing as too much pornography? Tell me no!

I know the word scat now to be a jazz use. I think many people in the world where this plug-in is useful will be more familiar with scat meaning another use.

VitaminD wrote:

why isnt there a 'made with synthedit' logo on there?

probably,
because it isn't made with Synthedit.

topaz wrote:

VitaminD wrote: why isnt there a 'made with synthedit' logo on there? probably, because it isn't made with Synthedit.

Maybe you miss the joke I find this even funnier if you did!

Alive In Chernobyl wrote:

Maybe you miss the joke I find this even funnier if you did!

topaz wrote:

VitaminD wrote: why isnt there a 'made with synthedit' logo on there? probably, because it isn't made with Synthedit.

*woosh* right over your head..

VitaminD wrote:

topaz wrote: VitaminD wrote: why isnt there a 'made with synthedit' logo on there? probably, because it isn't made with Synthedit. *woosh* right over your head..

Just to make clear.. i didn't/don't know what scat means in america.. but the fun thing is you all can make a name up for the plugin now. because i don't have a clue how to call this plugin...

BTW did anybody even try it out?

Scat best represented by the word Shit.

I am trying now Thank you.

Well, I sent an e-mail, but I'll copy and paste it here to the public forum, too:

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Hey,

Just tried out the VST. It?s a good idea, and one I?ve thought of many times?how easy would it be for someone with some basic vocal rhythm skills to quickly make a drum beat?

So far, though, the plugin is unusable?

It needs to more accurately distinguish between a kick and a hihat. For some reason, it confuses them sometimes. Also, there is no way to account for someone else?s beatbox style unless you provide reference audio?one man?s kick might not work the same way as another man?s! It will take some serious research to determine what it is about each ?effect? that makes it unique so that the plugin can accurately track them. Attack time won?t cut it, since many beat-box effects have a similar plosive attack. So far, with my particular (crappy) beatbox style, I?m getting?

Kicks: confused results?with a very specific ?kick?, I can get the 909 kick fairly regularly. But any variety and I get a snare or a double-snare
Hi-hat: I get a snare, or I get nothing
Snare: I haven?t figured out how to do a snare sound that?ll get me anything.

By experimenting, it seems like it?s ONLY sensitive to volume?lighter sounds give you a kick, and emphasized sounds give you a snare or the occasional unexpected double- and triple-snare hits. When I simply tap the microphone, I usually get a double- or triple- snare.

Point being, it?s a decent idea, but unless the level of sensitivity can be altered or modified (the kind of technology it would take to ?learn? someone?s style is multi-thousands of dollars, I would think, because it would be like voice-recognition which would take some specialized research and/or employees) it?s not very musical and someone could get up and working more quickly with 2 fingers and a MIDI keyboard.

I certainly don?t want to dissuade you, though. If you already feel confident that you will be able to take the technology ahead, I?m sure there are people who will find it interesting and useful, myself included. Even MORE useful would be to have the option to output a standard set of MIDI CC so that you can control whatever drum machine or instrument you want.

Cheers,
Greg
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To output midi note would be nicer. I find same problem as Greg. What a wonderful idea if you make this work! I would be first customer if you make money with this working well.

To output midi note would be nicer. I find same problem as Greg. What a wonderful idea if you make this work! I would be first customer if you make money with this working well.

I just realized that my cut-n-pasted email has some oddities in it... words that Word didn't think were words are messed about, and specialized punctuation is lost. Sorry, but I hope it's still coherent.

Lunch Money wrote:

I just realized that my cut-n-pasted email has some oddities in it... words that Word didn't think were words are messed about, and specialized punctuation is lost. Sorry, but I hope it's still coherent.

I can understand I am sure native english speaker has better skills moving words back into place than I. Nothing to worry about

Alive In Chernobyl wrote:

Maybe the american meaning of "Scat" is not known to you? A new name would be best for the VST

Maybe it's you who don't know the "American meaning" (as if there is only one) of "scat", especially since the original poster is using the word within a musical context?

Here's the first two things I thought of when I first read the word "scat" in this thread: Scatman Crothers & Scat Singing

Both are American, and both are musical references. Scat singing has a long history in America. The word does have several other meanings, but I don't think anyone is going to mistake the plugin for a fish from the Scatophagidae family.

I think the author should keep the name if he really likes it.


later,
McLilith

yep, it is over my head.

due to the fact that scat means nothing to me other than what it always has. and it certainly isnt what it is to you.

scat=Jazz singing in which improvised, meaningless syllables are sung to a melody

To go away hastily; leave at once

Go away; begone; away; -- chiefly used in driving off a cat

maybe this word is only in the
giggle dictionary.



scat sounds like a cool name to me.

VitaminD wrote:

topaz wrote: VitaminD wrote: why isnt there a 'made with synthedit' logo on there? probably, because it isn't made with Synthedit. *woosh* right over your head..

beat me too it (pun)

soccer vs football
day month year vs month day year.

McLilith wrote:

Maybe it's you who don't know the "American meaning" (as if there is only one) of "scat", especially since the original poster is using the word within a musical context?

Wasnt there a cartoon called Scat Cat ?

Maybe you could release a version called SkeetBox for the hip hop fans out there.

Skeet Skeet Skeet!

Alive In Chernobyl wrote:

To output midi note would be nicer. I find same problem as Greg. What a wonderful idea if you make this work! I would be first customer if you make money with this working well.

exactly what I thought.. midi will be implemented later on.

Greg ! Thank you for your great feedback!
i'm at the stage where i'm fine tuneing the algorithm now, especialy how to control it.

The sounds a human beatbox can produce, are probably between say 250 and 1000 hz.
So for now i'm thinking a extra fine tune knob for the frequency. Because the freq knob now go's from 0 to 22050 hz with a limited numer of steps. So the accuracy of selecting a freq will be improved. (and a display will be added).

May i remind you that you can also use this plug (due to the wide frequency span (0-22050Hz)) to create a cleaned up version of a bad recorded drum loop. But when midi is implemented it's much more usefull, i know. But first good tracking of the algorithm.

I'm working The double/triple retriggering now.
Keep in mind that the tracking will be better if you search the highest point the threshold can go (keep it as high as possible).

I still don't really know how to call the plugin... Skeet is an option i think (SkeetBox?).
I'm hoping to get more name idea's from you all. And solfe this problem eventualy with a poll.
ScatBox wasn't really my first choice anyway.

Thanks again !

anyone ever heard of the scatman?

shabbadabbadeedopdopdopdodope
skeebydeebydeepdopdodohpdope

yeh, 9 ouf of 10 american students say he's shit.

Anonymous Shadow wrote:

anyone ever heard of the scatman? shabbadabbadeedopdopdopdodope skeebydeebydeepdopdodohpdope

I never said he was any good, but he was frickin hilarious!

Scatman Crothers was the voice of "Jazz" on the Transformers cartoon.

I just thought you all should know that.

- m

Holy frig AIC - you almost made me crap my pants, that was so funny!

Here's a name.... Mosser!
Or, how about 'Salad Shooter'?

Oh great - now I've gone and crapped my pants! time to call Miss Sniffles again...Kinky bitch.

Alright twisted lemon....Loaded the plugin in Both Cubase SX2 and Computer Musys...here's the verdict.

1)Computer Musys: Plugin loaded fine with no problems...GUI opens up just fine...can edit all the parameters without any trouble....sound is a little rough, but that might be the loop that i ran through it and not the plug it'self. On exiting computer musys though, the plugin caused the prog to crash.

2)Cubase SX2: Same as above...everything works ok....doesn't crash in cubase.

HOWEVER, in both hosts, the plugin consumes a massive 43.7% of CPU power....not sure why...don't know much about coding.

Hope this helps!

Oh, and are you still developing the Flybaby plugin?

Peace!

topaz wrote:

yeh, 9 ouf of 10 american students say he's shit.

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Brilliant.

topaz wrote:

yep, it is over my head. due to the fact that scat means nothing to me other than what it always has. and it certainly isnt what it is to you. scat=Jazz singing in which improvised, meaningless syllables are sung to a melody To go away hastily; leave at once Go away; begone; away; -- chiefly used in driving off a cat maybe this word is only in the giggle dictionary. scat sounds like a cool name to me. VitaminD wrote: topaz wrote: VitaminD wrote: why isnt there a 'made with synthedit' logo on there? probably, because it isn't made with Synthedit. *woosh* right over your head..

2nd listed meaning on:

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=scat

now you learned something new

It is the 3rd entry

yeh

I learned that we need to protect cool words from fucked up, soon every word will have a double meaning and we won't be able to speak without giggling kids.

VitaminD wrote:

now you learned something new

Quote:

beavis and butthead "are you a member sir", hfhfhf he said member.

Diarhea cha cha cha!

TotcProductions wrote:

Alright twisted lemon....Loaded the plugin in Both Cubase SX2 and Computer Musys...here's the verdict. 1)Computer Musys: Plugin loaded fine with no problems...GUI opens up just fine...can edit all the parameters without any trouble....sound is a little rough, but that might be the loop that i ran through it and not the plug it'self. On exiting computer musys though, the plugin caused the prog to crash. 2)Cubase SX2: Same as above...everything works ok....doesn't crash in cubase. HOWEVER, in both hosts, the plugin consumes a massive 43.7% of CPU power....not sure why...don't know much about coding. Hope this helps! Oh, and are you still developing the Flybaby plugin? Peace!

Hi !

Thanks for the review! a few questions though.
Did you receive any kind of error message in Computer Musys when it crashed? that would help a lot.

And about the CPU... What kind of system are you running exactly?
I know that it still takes a lot of CPU. we are gonna look in to that. it's probably the 5 filters.

BTW What would you like to see new/different on the flybaby ? Cu's it's just a model of a CryBaby and pretty much finished except for the GUI.

Thanks again !

BTW Maybe i'll just call it the ShitBox and just get it over with

The server barfed....

Again...

Soliloquize wrote:

Thanks for the review! a few questions though. Did you receive any kind of error message in Computer Musys when it crashed? that would help a lot. And about the CPU... What kind of system are you running exactly? I know that it still takes a lot of CPU. we are gonna look in to that. it's probably the 5 filters.

No problem man! Ummm....i can't remember right now whether i got an error....hold on...i'll fire it up again and see what happens............................................................... ...........................................................Fuck man.. Nevermind...it isn't crashing anymore...maybe my cpu glitched or something..works fine now.

cpu is still a bit high though...I am in desperate need of a new cpu though...i've slowly been upgrading the hardware...just up my hardrive space to 160GB...the processor is the last thing that needs to be replaced...i think it's and AMD that runs at like 900 or so Mhz. Definitely not suited for real tracking....i mostly do remix work though, so i never noticed it until the past few months that i've been trying to track some things....i'll be upgrading to a P4 at 3.2 or 3.4 soon.

Soliloquize wrote:

BTW What would you like to see new/different on the flybaby ? Cu's it's just a model of a CryBaby and pretty much finished except for the GUI.

To be honest...that's all i was hoping for in flybaby was a sweet GUI. Think that will finish it up. i like it...it's hard to find something that sounds like a REAL wah in a plugin...but flybaby did the trick for me.....i don't have it installed right now though, recently re-formatted my harddrive after a nasty virus attack....I don't remember, does flybaby have a way to switch between an automatic mode and a manual mode? if not, that would be extremely useful...not sure if it's possible since it's based on impulse responses. Also, midi mapping if it doesn't already have it. Other than that, i think it's perfect. Wouldn't wanna beef it up with too much....just a simple realistic wah is all i'm looking for.
Hey, maybe you could get involved with hardware through flybaby!!! You could sell a midi controller foot pedal that links to flybaby's parameters

Peace!

TotcProductions wrote:

No problem man! Ummm....i can't remember right now whether i got an error....hold on...i'll fire it up again and see what happens............................................................... ...........................................................Fuck man.. Nevermind...it isn't crashing anymore...maybe my cpu glitched or something..works fine now.

Ok,... could it be you where running an older version? did you download the plugin before i started this topic? that one used to crash cubase on exit. (and other hosts).

I'm gonna get working on the Flybaby GUI.
There's an easteregg in the Flybaby btw. If you turn the attack all the way down to 0., you can use the release fader like the pedal of the wah. So you can also automate your wah movements in your host. That's pretty much the manual mode you wanted.
p.s. I guess you meant by midimapping, controlling the plugin with hardware midi controllers?

Greetinks !

This is a good way to explain what scat means

http://www.modestypanel.com/snackorscat

It seems to be offline right now (bandwith limit exceeded..) But when you read this .. try it out. Its pretty hard Or soft .. or just jucky

Soliloquize wrote:

p.s. I guess you meant by midimapping, controlling the plugin with hardware midi controllers?

Yup, that's what i mean. Even if you could map it to something like your keyboards Modwheel or a slider....that'd be sufficient.

Peace!