Hi,

I am just getting into grainular effects via FL studios Granulator plugin. Its pretty cool but was wondering what else is out there in vst form?

I have heard that Kontakt has grainular capabilites but its a sampler not an effect plugin.

Thanks

Try Grainfreeze

smartelectron!x KTgranulator

oldie but goodie standalone granulab

slainte rob

Reaktor of course.

Most of these effects seem to be either old or from smaller software developers. Why aren't the big boys releasing any products?

Granular effects seem to be used alot in electronic drum beats from the warp crew and the likes so what software or hardware are the pros using?

Maybe I am missing something but it looks like granular is not getting any software love.

Please enlighten me on this subject..

aMUSEd wrote:

Reaktor of course.

what he said ...

borax wrote:

Most of these effects seem to be either old or from smaller software developers. Why aren't the big boys releasing any products? Granular effects seem to be used alot in electronic drum beats from the warp crew and the likes so what software or hardware are the pros using? Maybe I am missing something but it looks like granular is not getting any software love. Please enlighten me on this subject..

Well, NI makes Reaktor, surely they're considered big boys?

Granular effects still tend not to fit mainstream sounds, same reason the big boys aren't developing low-level graphical audio development platforms like Max/MSP or PD. Many hosts and modular synths already have excellent granular facilities (Audiomulch, Ableton Live, Vaz Modular, the aforementioned Reaktor, etc) and many small devs have already filled the void.

Were you in need of a Waves or Digidesign granulator?

Steve.

borax wrote:

Granular effects seem to be used alot in electronic drum beats from the warp crew and the likes so what software or hardware are the pros using? Maybe I am missing something but it looks like granular is not getting any software love. Please enlighten me on this subject..

the big boys (ie - the warp crew etc) all seem to use (or at least CLAIM to use) the low level stuff like PD / MAX/MSP / reaktor / csound / etc

slainte rob

pHz wrote:

the big boys (ie - the warp crew etc) all seem to use (or at least CLAIM to use) the low level stuff like PD / MAX/MSP / reaktor / csound / etc

I'll add Kyma and Supercollider to that list.

NDC's Buffer Synth Alpha is pretty cool IMO, or Buffer Synth 2 for the real intense stuff!

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Were you in need of a Waves or Digidesign granulator? Steve.

The point I was trying to make is that although granular effects are not part of the mainstream, there seems to be a gap in the market where Ohm Force, Waves, Antares, ect.. could make an elegant, user friendly effect that could be a fresh idea in the standard world of software effects.

-I have played with the Graindelay effect in Live, but I sequence in Cubase so it does me no good. A port of this effect to vst would be amazing!!

-And I can't see taking the CPU hit to pull up Reaktor as a effect plugin to create grain effects. Is this really the king of Granular?

normal wrote:

aMUSEd wrote: Reaktor of course. what he said ...

what they said...

...errr... freesoft seems bad coder?

Wrong thought!!!

Smartelectronix (DFX, magnus, etc...) are really kings in granular FX, just try "suppatrigga",
y después te metes un chute por la vena pa chanar por un tubo con é!
(and then get some drug to use it reasonablee)

C'ya.

Julius

borax wrote:

-And I can't see taking the CPU hit to pull up Reaktor as a effect plugin to create grain effects. Is this really the king of Granular?

Well,if you want to do things like control grain size with an envelope,or control start points with a sequencer,the easiest way to do it is with Reaktor.
There's a lot you can do with granularity and Reaktor
ew

borax wrote:

-And I can't see taking the CPU hit to pull up Reaktor as a effect plugin to create grain effects. Is this really the king of Granular?

Yes it is unless you want to go Kyma. And most of the granular ensembles are relatively modest CPU wise - the big CPU hitters are the big multi voice synths like Kaleidon or effects with lots of fancy filters.

So everyone seems to be saying Reaktor is the way to go as far as flexibitiy.

Is Grainstates the only ensemble Reaktor has for Granular?
Are there any other recommended ensembles?


What is Kyma? Is it a vst?

There's lots of granular stuff for Reaktor.orange grains is a goodie,for example.
As to your other question;
Kyma
ew

Well the Kyma package is way out of my price range so lets get back to Reaktor -

- What kind of CPU overhead could I expect, and how easy is the automation of reaktor as an effect.

- Also wondering if most people work offline with creating granular effects then chop it up into samples, or is it normally used with automation.

These questions may seem sillly but I am trying to wrap my head around how most people work with granular effects.

Xoxos also has a granular sampler called xsampler. I haven't had a chance to try it, but it seems like it does the trick. (And it's free).

borax wrote:

So everyone seems to be saying Reaktor is the way to go as far as flexibility.

It's funny, because for PCs, I would have said Audiomulch was the best, most flexible way to go for granular effects. Not a plugin though.

But for plugins, why shell out the several hundred dollars to get Reaktor if all you want is granular effects. The Smartelectronix plugins are fantastic, and free. Try KTGranulator, Sloper, Relofter, and Supatrigga. They'll fill a lot of the needs you might have for granular-type stuff.

The thing with Ohm or Voxengo or others not making granular effects, it still is a fairly saturated market for such a low demand niche effect.

Cheers,
Steve

I repeat

CrusherX

If your after a non plugin then check these Csound front ends

http://web.tiscali.it/_flat/density.jsp.html

http://music.ucdavis.edu/re4m/cecilia/

and just to wind you up, I can confirm that Kyma has excellent granular tools and the quality of the sound is second to none

If you're going to smartelectronix, make a stop in at destroyfx too - they have several plugs which give you amazing grain style fx (esp. bufferoverride)...

If you're thinking of buying Reaktor, take a look at Max/MSP (www.cycling74.com). Pretty cool that stuff.

Forever,




Kim.

CreepJoint wrote:

and just to wind you up, I can confirm that Kyma has excellent granular tools and the quality of the sound is second to none

a curse on your kyma, bah!