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AuthorTopic: cd skipping?
vurt
Posted: 4th July 2004 19:34
is there a vst/reaktor ensemble that i can put in as fx and make it sound like a cd is actually skipping?
tl
Posted: 5th July 2004 00:19
Maybe Vellocet's Reorder and some parameter tweaking could do the trick.

Edit:
While going through my plugs folder i found another one:
BabySplice from 12th Floor, a sample-and-hold plugin for quick and dirty stuff.

tl.
CypherOne
Posted: 5th July 2004 00:20
scuzzphut's PhutBoy Slim, or DFX's Buffer Override maybe?


failing that - one ping only has this market covered Razz
scuzzphut
Posted: 5th July 2004 02:51
lo vurt Smile

as pepperoni , ermm, Cypherone said, phutboyslim is designed to do exactly that.

it's midi controllable as well Very Happy

let me know how you get on.... Smile
cron
Posted: 6th July 2004 14:56
Why not just burn a CD then use a marker on it? Draw a big fat curve (go over it a few times) from the inside out, so that it goes about a quarter of the way around the CD's surface (go around further if it's not skipping enough for your liking). Feel free to try again by cleaning the disc with some alcohol (assuming your marker is water soluble). That's one area where software certainly hasn't caught up with hardware Razz

Software will be handy if you want the scratch to sync to tempo though. A general rule with the hardware version of this effect is that the closer to the inner edge (the start of the disc) the mark is, the longer the skip will be.

Have fun! Very Happy
Kingston
Posted: 8th July 2004 09:34
This might be a purist approach but I had to do it once.

Record actual CD skip noises from any stereo. And yes it has to be real stereo (for authencity) as computer drives make a completely different burst sounds. Kind of like playing back file_id.diz's compared to the real thing. I didn't like it anyway. I suppose the older the player, the better.

I scratched a burned CD and got all manner of clicks and pops from it for the sampler. Maybe I should post the samples here?

back then I had to do the actual song skip effect with manual looping, cut&paste, but now I'd use phutboy slim.

I went as far as measuring the actual time the real CD skip takes (yes I'm a perfectionist), but was in luck, as it happened to be the exact triplet [6/8] of the song I was working on. Idea

It made a perfect outro for the song as I "remixed" the song using the skip effect.

I only wish I had had the phutboy slim back then...
meister eder
Posted: 8th July 2004 10:27

Assuming you want the effect that you get when pressing the fast forward button on a CD-Player, you can easily do it manually. The fast-forward effect gives you very regular readout snippets of a track - other than the clicks that you'd get from scratching a CD or drawing with a marker on it.

What you need is e.g. 1/16th long snippets taken each bar out of a long audio file, but then each 1/16th snippet being played at 1/16th positions rather than whole bar postitions.

This is how I'd do it in Logic (the technique should be transferable to most other hosts):

    - put the audiofile on a track
    - take the scissor, hold the Alt-key*, and devide at position 1.1.2.1 (first 1/16th).
    *This will devide the whole file into hundreds of 1/16th snippets.

    - open the Event List
    - select the first snippet
    - execute "Select Equal Subpositions"
    - execute "Toggle Selection"
    - execute "Delete"

    - return to the Arrange window
    - select all snippets that are left over
    - execute "Tie objects by Position Change"

Have fun.

vurt
Posted: 8th July 2004 10:30
well i did it with phutboy slim
and altho the effect did as i hoped the actual track sounded shit with it so it was all academic anyway
but for future i now know
thanks Cool
Kingston
Posted: 8th July 2004 10:40
Quote:
- take the scissor, hold the Alt-key*, and devide at position 1.1.2.1 (first 1/16th).
*This will devide the whole file into hundreds of 1/16th snippets.


Shocked

christ! another useful logic shortcut I had never heard of or found out! go dammit the times I've done that 'by hand'! Aaaargghhh

just what the doctor ordered, and this will nicely spice up my 7th year anniversary as a logic user. Laughing
Steven West
Posted: 9th July 2004 13:14
High kudos to Scuzzphut as well! We're not worthy....

I still use the more 'catankerous and older' Phut Boy Slim myself, as it has such a 'controlable chaos' about it. A good example of the old Phut Boy in action is my 'housey' tune called The Hottest Hits. ( www.soundclick.com/stevenwest ) That's actually Phut Boy Slim AND a DFX BufferOverride brutailising the title sample throughout the song.

A good example of DFX Bufferoverride is the ninja chopped brutality on my track 'DJ The Freak' - and come to think of it, Phut Boy's on the voices of that tune as well doing the stuttering effects.
Drums and noise loops went through Buffer Overrride in whole.

My 'Weapons Of Choice' for the nastiest cuts. Wink
scuzzphut
Posted: 9th July 2004 13:22
aw shucks Embarassed

listening to ( and getting down to ...) "The Hottest Hits" now Very Happy
Steven West
Posted: 9th July 2004 13:41
Couldn't have done it without you buddy! Hug
scuzzphut
Posted: 9th July 2004 13:50
oooh , I'm getting tearful *sniff* - get some sports on the TV, quick!!! Very Happy
VariKusBrainZ
Posted: 9th July 2004 14:19
Kingston wrote:
This might be a purist approach but I had to do it once.

Record actual CD skip noises from any stereo. And yes it has to be real stereo (for authencity) as computer drives make a completely different burst sounds. Kind of like playing back file_id.diz's compared to the real thing. I didn't like it anyway. I suppose the older the player, the better.


I cant believe there are purists even in this area of experimentation....oops, did I say experimentation Razz Laughing
scuzzphut
Posted: 9th July 2004 14:25
What next ?

"Actually, I think you'll find that the sound of old analog CD players skipping is better. These new digital players just don't produce the same warm skipping sound that the vintage gear does"

Anyone else noticed that when a sentence begins "I think you'll find....." you automatically switch off your brain? HiHi
vurt
Posted: 9th July 2004 14:31
just so you know scuzz,it wasnt the effect that was crap,it was the track with the effect-didnt end up how i hoped
it ended up cheesy Shit!
VariKusBrainZ
Posted: 9th July 2004 14:38
scuzzphut wrote:
What next ?

"Actually, I think you'll find that the sound of old analog CD players skipping is better. These new digital players just don't produce the same warm skipping sound that the vintage gear does"

Anyone else noticed that when a sentence begins "I think you'll find....." you automatically switch off your brain? HiHi


sorry to disagree, but I think the the person from whence (think i spelt that wrong) that quote came from has the automatic off switch Laughing
scuzzphut
Posted: 9th July 2004 15:19
vurt - s'ok ! I was just having a laugh about Kingston's post and creepjoint picking up on the use of the word "purist" .

I think Kingston will see the funny side too Smile


PS - Just exceeded 2000 posts Shit! Wooo Hooooo hyper
Kingston
Posted: 10th July 2004 08:02
Quote:
I cant believe there are purists even in this area of experimentation....oops, did I say experimentation


Laughing

I know.

but the aim was a 100% realistic, 100% controlled scratched CD sound.

and I got it.
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