Any comments??? Is it better worse than plugin XYZ ?

There was a big thread on this back a week or two. Some people thought it sucked bad, while others said it sounded great. Gee, sounds like every other thread, huh? The funny thing was the people who thought it sounded bad never played it, or barely played with it, and the people who thought it sounded terrific played with it or played with it a lot. Weird how that goes....

Devon

i think it sounds fab.

better IMO then my UAD nigel plug

uses fair amount of CPU tho.

I must check this out properly at some point. The sound demos were awful, though.

i can't seem to get the thing to work on my amd 1.2 ghz.

any idea if it "needs" sse to work at all?

there was some talk on the NI forums, but no definative answer.

anyone have any experiences with it being a bother?

thanks!

yeah i remember the thread, but now the demo is available so having no opinion about it isnt allowed

IMHO i think its much better than amplitube, clearer&creamier distortion and punch.

I was playing around with the demo,and I must say I'm impressed.Their Rectifier model is wonderful,and the AC-30 one's tons of fun.I'm not a big amp simulator fan,but I could see actually using this one.Now,if I only had the money
ew

500bux! noshit

its that fancy controller that keeps the price up

please release software only version for 199

Stupid question here as I can't download the demo @ work, but I'm assuming it supports midi cc functions? This being the case, it WOULD be nice if it came without that non-midi one trick pony pedal board, which I cannot understand for the life of me why they didn't make it midi...the sales would triple if it did, I think.

I'm still gonna buy it though. NI gets slammed alot here but I have never regreted a single purchase from them.

There's a guy whose done a reaktor ensemble for the pedal board. As I understand it, it (the board) sends through audio control signals which the ensemble translates to MIDI messages.

i've just been trying the demo. i have amplitube already and a bheringer v amp {hardware}. it sounds somewhat different to either. i think amplitube sounds the best, but the guitar rig is certainly more flexible as far as fx and extras. its also more fun with a very nice gui. it does sound pretty good. and i'd like to see how it sounds in a mix, i havent tried that yet. i do think the recorded examples sound a bit thin and ordinary,and dont do a good job of selling it..

Just spent last night playing with the demo.

Like any other tool, I think it does some things very well, and some other things not so well.

One thing that I found tedious was the complex gain structure. It was far too easy to mess up the gain staging, and far to easy to clip.

Another thing I was a bit put off by was that it seems to require much more tweaking to get a good sound than, say, Amplitude. But given the depth of the software, I suppose that is to be expected.

On the plus side, there are LOADS of tone options. FAR more than amplitude. But again, I found it took a surprising amiunt of work ti get a tone I was happy with.

Auditioning the presets solo was OK, but a tad underwhelming. But then I added some Guitar Rig tones to a new song I am working on, and it was a revelation.

Somehow, in the heat of a mix, it just sounded much better and seemed to "open up":

http://www.danieljslewis.com/songs/niguitar.mp3

I wouldnt say that I am a tone afficianado, but I found while browsing through the presets that it generally sounded very good to me on 80% of the presets or so. I think that the boss type distartion effect was kind of weak, but the amp head and speaker sims sounded much better than my only other option Revalver. Some of the delay options sounded too much like a cheesy reaktor ensemble, but maybe that is a good thing that you can get non traditional tones. I did find that most of the tones were very useable and actually quite good after the first 30 minute trial. I think I will have to try this over the 30 day time period to be SURE though..

Future Music have just done a monumentally irritating review in which they spend the entire time reading the manual to you rather than actually playing guitar with it. Waste of space.

It got a Platinum, but I read page after page wondering "are they gonna mention what it sounds like?"

I too found the demo quite good. Starting with the clean tones in the list I found that they 'felt' very alive. Also I thought that when fed with a Telecaster they had more 'snap' that some other amp sims I have tried. What did look very interesting was the capability of complex multiple cab setups. The effects seemed very good covering all the bases from subtle to totally bannanas.

I'll probably reserve judgement until I can try the hardware as well.

After messing with the demo a bit, I think I feel comfortable saying that it's better than anything else I've tried.

Will be interesting to see if any of the "those MP3 demos sound like ARSE!" crowd will eat their words after actually playing a guitar through this thing.

It's not the real thing, but it seems very, very useable.

What do you guys think aboiut the "air" parameter?

The first time I heard it when trolling through the presets I was startled by how much it actually sounds like an amp in a real room.

I've been doing this for over 20 years, so it really takes something to make me step back. I had no strong expectations for this, so it was a genuine surprise.

That touches on one of the strengths of this software.

It seems to me that there is a generation of musicians who have never really heard what a honest-to-god amped guitar really sounds like (or drums, for that matter). This can uncannily "live," and for a guy whi still prefers the challenge of working with real sound sources in a room, this is a treat!

Not perefect, but a step forward for sure. Hell, you can even tweak the bias to sound like funky, over-biased tubes - and it is very convincing!

I might have to consider budgeting for this...

At least now nobody has to pretend anymore that he tried it on a "friend's computer"...

Yes the 'air' parameter is very handy. I do this manually at the moment with my current setup (PodXT). Adding a UAD verb with a pre-delay and very very short tail replicates this air setting. Used in moderation it really can fool the ear into sensing the cab emulation as being far more real.

Not bothered to look yet, but what's the controller like?

I figure they don't supply you with a demo one! But...would be interested to hear if people find it particularly useful.

I really did have a play on the 4Control thing of NI's (music shop, not a mate, altho my mate works there.....which is handy!), and found it no better than any other MIDI controller with knobs, but maybe for a guitar.....

Anything on there that's really exclusive and useful for the guitar rig specificly...or that u couldn't do with hardward setups?

I don't play guitar personally, but guitar effects are common in my stuff...and I record guitar from other people quite often, and would be nice to have a does-it-all tool for it.

It sounds great!

Do yourself a favor when trying this one out. Make sure You have the lowest latency Your computer/sound card can handle, and adjust the input level as high as possible without overloading the input of GR.

Then, if You want, audition some presets but remember these are done by people with different: guitars, studio speakers, ears, taste then You have.

Now clear the rack and just drop one of the amps in place and start finding Your sound, without any effects to begin with. Don't forget to play around with the speaker parameters and the master volume in the speaker panel.

It's now GR shines, anyone can make a effect soaked 'amp sim' but this is the test were put this baby ahead of the competition.
I'm just wondering if/when Line 6 will enter the same market, they do have the sofware you know...

Janne

hey guys,

any feedback on the Guitar Rig and SSE issue?

anyone on an amd have any issues with it?


Does it require an SSE machine?


Thanks!
a

dropandhop wrote:

hey guys, any feedback on the Guitar Rig and SSE issue? anyone on an amd have any issues with it? Does it require an SSE machine? Thanks! a

Guitar Rig makes pretty extensive use of SSE which is why an Athlon XP 1.33 GHz is the minimum requirement on the AMD side...

Regards

- Tobias

WOW! I play a fender bassman into 410 with Boss ds-1 before it.

I model this in guitar rig! VERY identical!

WOW! This is great The demo sound very bad compared to how good this is!

I buy this afternoon if I can find it

Quote:

WOW! This is great The demo sound very bad compared to how good this is!

All too true...NI's mp3 samples are completely underwhelming...

Even the modest sample I posted beats the pants off the audio demos I've hard at their site - NOT because its me playing, and NOT because of the song, but because it shows how - well, musical - it sounds in a mix.

That is what opened my eyes - NOT just the sound of it by itself....

well i've been mucking around with the demo now for a few days and i'm pretty much blown away. The presets are pretty ordinary and over fx'd, once you do a bit of tweaking though, you can get some amazingly 'real' sounds.The air dial IS definitely worth running about half way ,especially for some heavy blues riffs. i mucked around for a while tonight and got some pretty convincing hendrix tones as found on the "live at the BBC recordings" the guitar on these recordings is pretty raw so it wasn't too hard to do. dialling in some 'air' just seemed to make it more real,like the amp was vibrating in front of you,and you can almost imagine the drumkit rattling with the intensity of it. Damn , now where am i gonna get the money to buy one of these ..

FFS. If this is any good, I should wait a year for it to appear in Komplete 3. Thanks a lot guys.

Nomad Guitar Legends ownz both amplitube and n.i

Well,

it seems that the response from NI was a polite way of telling me that my system is too old for their new demo software. I have an AMD Athlon 1200MHz, overclocked to 1333Mhz, running XP Pro/ Sonar 3 Producer. The demo installed fine, but when it came to running it, in the words of the immortal Les Dennis, "Our survey says --X"

I wonder if this is the start of a regular NI pattern of software design. Shame,

I would have bought it if I liked it. I'll be dammed if I'll buy a new PC especially for it though Batpuppy

The presets were on the weird side & relied heavily on the FX. So I started to create a few from scratch, experimenting with cabinets and mics, but nothing really inspired me to keep playing. If I'm not happy with the original tone, then I'm not gonna bury that with FX .

I don't really care if it sounds like a real mic'd cabinet or anything like that I just to be inspired to play! If it doesn't make me strum my guitar for an hour and 1/2 then it's not my cup of tea!

BTW - I tried one of those new little ZINKY amps, and WOW was I blown away. I was told the creator came from Marshall's custom shop, but it can sound like a classic Fender or Mashall. And not one of those crappy fender/marshalls they sell guitar center, ZINKY's sound shatters them to pieces. You could lock me in a room with one of these for a year easily. Sure it's $1200 but worth every penny!

Compared to Amplitube and ReValver, I must say I prefer Guitar Rig. Firstly because I think they captured the dynamic response a bit better. But some other features stand out in comparison with the other two mentioned :
- Midi control is really easy. Assigning etc is a peace of cake.
- Diversity in amps and cabs is pretty good.
- The possibility to use more cabs and mic them all differently makes a huge differences !
- It is not too hard on the CPU.
- The interface is easy and intuitive compared to Amplitube, but almost similar to ReValver.

Been playing with it for a couple of days now, and the sound takes a long while before it gets boring (like a lot of Line 6 gear does to me).

I 've used it in some songs, and it works really well in the mix.

Regards,
MM

Actually, I have to admit, some of the less effected samples on the FM CD sound pretty good...

I VE REALLY BEEN WAITING FOR THIS THING TO BE RELEASED NOW I FIND IT CANT RUN ON MY AMD 1200MHZ. WHAT A LOAD OF ******* CRAP!!!

woah

cap locks key is directly to the left of the "A" key

I've had the demo for a while now... I have to say that, while the interface is gorgeous and the flexibility amazing, it doesn't sound as good to me as Izotope trash. I really feel people should put away their prejudice about how an amp sim should LOOK like and actually use their ears.

Izotope trash needs a bit of of work and a re-adjustment of how you approach amp modeling (it's probably more like "sound-modeling"...). I suppose the big computer music magazines are not making any money of it via advertising (because there is no advertising for it), so they just plainly ignore it.

Guys, don't fall for the hype of amplitube or guitar rig. This is not to say they're terrible. They're just not as good as Izotope Trash. IMHO.
Alex

In fairness, Izotope didn't market it as an amp simulator, they just said it was one of the many distortion options.

Ive only tried the demo, but I do like it. I'd rather there was a cheaper version without the hardware though, as Im intending to pick up a Behringer FCB footboard at some point, so the NI one would be a bit redundant.

Phaedo wrote:

In fairness, Izotope didn't market it as an amp simulator, they just said it was one of the many distortion options.

True, and it's probably because its UI is not what you would expect from an "amp sim" (being a guitarist, I was a bit confused myself at the beginning )and it would be selling Trash short, because it can be so much more than "just" that. But the distortion chaining and awesome speaker/"box" sims make it a real contender for the crown of amp simulators.

And I love the interface, because you can see what's going on and what your filters and compressor are doing. True, a good sound is a good sound, and your ears should guide you there, but it helps.

The "Trash receipes" manuals are great (even though some of the presets are counter-intuitive - why does the "British Beauty" use the 6L6 tube model???), and the guys at Izotope are very helpful.

Yes, I'm plugging their product - somebody has to do it... (I'm not affiliated..)
Cheers
Alex

MickGael wrote:

What do you guys think aboiut the "air" parameter? The first time I heard it when trolling through the presets I was startled by how much it actually sounds like an amp in a real room. I've been doing this for over 20 years, so it really takes something to make me step back. I had no strong expectations for this, so it was a genuine surprise. That touches on one of the strengths of this software. It seems to me that there is a generation of musicians who have never really heard what a honest-to-god amped guitar really sounds like (or drums, for that matter). This can uncannily "live," and for a guy whi still prefers the challenge of working with real sound sources in a room, this is a treat! Not perefect, but a step forward for sure. Hell, you can even tweak the bias to sound like funky, over-biased tubes - and it is very convincing!

I commented on this in a previous post. The real breadwinner of GuitarRig is the cabinet modeling and AIR accuracy. You can stick any input signal in front of it, unchained through their amp models, and make it sound a lot like its in a real room. Most people would find it very convincing, minus the people with ears for guitar and the actual 'studio' owners out there.

NOTE: This following suggestion is for only the high gain guitar fans out there. And I mean real high gain guitars, not "Wall of Shit" guitar tones.

Buy GuitarRig. $600
Buy a Line 6 PODxt (must be version 2.0 to support model packs). $300
Buy the Model Pack for the PODxt entitled "Metal Shop.". $50

Use the PODxt to generate the signal of the guitar head. Use the "Bypass" setting in Cab/A.I.R. menu of the PODxt. Run the signal to a track and your host, and set the GuitarRig plugin to an insert on the track. Delete/bypass all the effects and heads in GuitarRig and use it to merely create the Cabinet in this guitar setup.

That should do it. I only mention the Metal Shop Model Pack for the PODxt because it has the BEST high gain amp models you can find. The Bogner Uberschell and the Diezel VH4 models are very, very slick. Obviously it depends on your taste. But I can say that if you aren't going to go buy an Uberschell or a Triple Rectifier.... this is a great substitution.

Now if I could only justify how its better in terms of price.....