just before I go back to my new internetless apartment

BETABUGSaudio are proud to announce the release of our newest plug-in

FLOFIdeluxe

it's a pitchdestroyingfrequencyshapeshiftinggraintool
have fun - http://www.betabugsaudio.com/downloads/FlofiDeluxe/FloFiSetup.rar

mully

Interesting plugin.
FloFi works great in Bidule,
but if I insert it in the signal chain in Tracktion
I get a loud PLOP, the level stays at about +6.5db
and there's no sound put out anymore.

Tobias.

Hrm. When you say "put it into a signal chain", what is being done, exactly. I only mean that in the problem-solving way of asking, not the accusatory way.

I used Tracktion when I was doing my share of the testing, so unless the version changed last-minute, it works fine in Tracktion for me.

Greg

I drag a new filter onto the effects chain of a track
or into a rack filter and choose FloFi, it loads...
... and then PLOP.

I don't know what to say. I'm not the programmer, so I'd be no help anyways, but I've just tried it again in Tracktion with the latest installer, and no "Plop". I wish I could be more helpful, or at least commiserate, but it seems to be "all systems go" on this end.

if there's a fix... duncan will find it

doesn't work properly at all in cubasesx2.

as soon as loaded, just produces constant horrible buzzing noise..

tried old host behaviour also

hmmm... strange.... I will try to contact duncan as soon as possible...

also, was it necessary to have an installer?

ttoz wrote:

also, was it necessary to have an installer?

we usually provide.... installer and non installer versions of our plugins the non installer will come in some days.... but (even though it may seem sifferent) I don't have access to the internet at home - so that's the reason why I'm not at home so much in the last days ....and I need to change that... I need to get all the things in my new appartment set up, and sorted)

but it does a clean install AND uninstall .....and it looks good

ttoz wrote:

doesn't work properly at all in cubasesx2. as soon as loaded, just produces constant horrible buzzing noise.. tried old host behaviour also

It did exactly the same here and I too tried the old host behaviour without any luck.

I wasn't what I expected but I quite like the buzzing sound

Interface looked cool though.

Something is strange in dodgetown... we've all tested it and found it to be working, and I've used it on some tracks. That's the most recent download, in Tracktion. However, as a member of the team, my version of the d/l was mailed to my inbox, so I can't help but wonder if the download is somehow different.

In any case, thanks for giving it a try and we'll surely get back to you.

Greg

Works fine here...
Using Magix Midi Studio Deluxe 2004...

It does do some really cool things to drums, but I don't know what it is doing exactly. What does "width" do exactly?
I like the dials a lot, really cool looking.

It's in the beautiful manual! But if you don't want to go through the hassle--

Width is basically the "Q" of the band that's receiving pitch-shifting and mangling. It's not a stereo width tool.

Glad to hear it's working for you... it's a mystery to me what's going on!

aha, thanks for clearing that up for a lazy man like me . I'll consult the manual now . I did think stereo width initially, so maybe that should be labeled "Q" instead .
I'll give it a go in Traktion to see what happens.

Yeah, works fine in Tracktion for me. Sounds awesome on saxaphone .

freeztar wrote:

Yeah, works fine in Tracktion for me. Sounds awesome on saxaphone .

Yeah, but were can it be found?

And I thought I was lazy...

It can be found in the first post of this thread. Click on the link in light-green colored text.

I'm truly enjoying this plug, hats off to the dev. I expect to be using this a lot in the future.

multree wrote:

ttoz wrote: also, was it necessary to have an installer? we usually provide.... installer and non installer versions of our plugins the non installer will come in some days.... but (even though it may seem sifferent) I don't have access to the internet at home - so that's the reason why I'm not at home so much in the last days ....and I need to change that... I need to get all the things in my new appartment set up, and sorted) but it does a clean install AND uninstall .....and it looks good

just so you know, the installer leaves a betabug folder in the start menu after uninstallation

Yes! Really works well in Orion and WaveLab for me! A very subtle lo-fi, but quite the enhancer for drums so far for me.

A bit CPU heavy though, shoots Orion up about 10+%
But other than that it's a great sounding and working plug for me. Definately keep this in my aresenal.

Thanks!

Sorry folks! Been up to Sheffield this w/e, but back now.
For those who liked it - super! Glad to be of service.

For those it didn't... hmmm..
@tl - you're the first case of it not working in Tracktion.. looks like it might be a system spec issue.. tho' I'm not using any SSE/3D-Now instructions.. I'll have another poke around.. I assume by +6.5db, you mean 6.5%processor usage.. +6.5db is awfully loud silence!

@ttoz.. what are you feeding into it to get the buzzing? can you post an mp3? does the sound change if you change preset, or fiddle with the knobs?


I will look into optimising the code, but want to get the host bugs sorted first..

DSP

duncanparsons wrote:

@ttoz.. what are you feeding into it to get the buzzing? can you post an mp3? does the sound change if you change preset, or fiddle with the knobs? DSP

just trying it as an insert on a standard setero audio track with a 16 bit drumloop...regards mp3 i have no way to host it

Ok, I did some additional testing in Tracktion, and I have to correct myself:
basically FloFi works without problems. But in my first tests I inserted FloFi in a signal chain
where it was followed by DigitalFishphones' Dominion, this combination caused & still causes
the strange PLOP I described before.

Quote:

I assume by +6.5db, you mean 6.5%processor usage.. +6.5db is awfully loud silence!

No, I really mean +6.5db:
After this PLOP sound the level meter stays at +6.5db,
but there's no sound put out anymore.

tl.

thx for getting bach to me guys...

@tl: this is super news! wrt to holding +6.5db, I gues that's a Tracktion internal issue, rather than a VST one...

@ttoz: if you can do a short 10-20 second burst, render to mp3, zip & send to kvr at dsparsons dot co dot uk (you know the form!), I would be most grateful. I still can't replicate it. Does that static change when altering the knobs, or is it fixed. Again, do the presets alter anything?

again, really appreciate the feedback..

Duncan

oh yes, and wrt to hosting, you could look into www.uklinux.net and www.web1000.com, both of whom provide free webspace, pretty much no strings attached. The uklinux is basically an ISP, so if you dial into them it's 'free', or pay £30/yr to avoid the need to dial.

I use both, and have had one problem with each, both times server failure, but they were up again within 24hrs...

HTH
DSP

cool plugin.. but i works only on Audio channels.. Not instrument channels..

when i put it on a instrument channel, i get that PLUG sound and a very high suuuummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!

Quote:

just so you know, the installer leaves a betabug folder in the start menu after uninstallation

Really?? Okay ill get on to that tonight

Paul

Paul_FX wrote:

Quote: just so you know, the installer leaves a betabug folder in the start menu after uninstallation Really?? Okay ill get on to that tonight Paul

well i deleted it manually very easily. i'd love if you fixed the ear piercing drone in sx first

PSYPOX wrote:

cool plugin.. but i works only on Audio channels.. Not instrument channels.. when i put it on a instrument channel, i get that PLUG sound and a very high suuuummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!

What's an instrument channel, and which instrument is causing the suuuuummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

In Tracktion, I put it on a track that has an instrument and no worries. Does it do it with all instruments tested, or just a specific one? Which host are you using, and what resolution of audio?

Sorry for all the questions-- not badgering, just investigating.

Greg

For what it's worth, I put FloFi on a master insert in OP 5.8, and it's handling feeds from VSTi channels AND audio channels simulataneously.

No problems here for me either way.

Thanks, Steven. It's important to hear the success stories, too, or we'll wonder what happened to our own in-house testing!

Greg

Lunch Money wrote:

PSYPOX wrote: cool plugin.. but i works only on Audio channels.. Not instrument channels.. when i put it on a instrument channel, i get that PLUG sound and a very high suuuummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm! What's an instrument channel, and which instrument is causing the suuuuummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm? In Tracktion, I put it on a track that has an instrument and no worries. Does it do it with all instruments tested, or just a specific one? Which host are you using, and what resolution of audio? Sorry for all the questions-- not badgering, just investigating. Greg

Hi!

It's doing that suuummmm and plug on every Ins channel in logic 5.51.. and i use 24bit if that is what you wanner know

Inst/Instrument channels is the channels you put vsts on in logic..

If i add discovery as a vst with the betabug plugin af effect, i get that plug sound. and if i put the effect on a audio channels and plays a wav file with the betabug effect on, it works just fine..

OK, thanks for the info. I'm not sure that any of us have Logic in order to test it out, but in theory a plug-in should work in any host, so hopefully Duncan's code optimization will sort it out. Thanks again!

Greg

PSYPOX wrote:

Lunch Money wrote: PSYPOX wrote: cool plugin.. but i works only on Audio channels.. Not instrument channels.. when i put it on a instrument channel, i get that PLUG sound and a very high suuuummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm! What's an instrument channel, and which instrument is causing the suuuuummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm? In Tracktion, I put it on a track that has an instrument and no worries. Does it do it with all instruments tested, or just a specific one? Which host are you using, and what resolution of audio? Sorry for all the questions-- not badgering, just investigating. Greg Hi! It's doing that suuummmm and plug on every Ins channel in logic 5.51.. and i use 24bit if that is what you wanner know Inst/Instrument channels is the channels you put vsts on in logic.. If i add discovery as a vst with the betabug plugin af effect, i get that plug sound. and if i put the effect on a audio channels and plays a wav file with the betabug effect on, it works just fine..

well, 24bit shouldn't affect anything, since the host should convert everything into floating point values anyway before it arrives at the plug.
That it works with a wav is good. I don't know about how logic handles VST, but I am aware that ppl have had issues before. I'll ask around.

DSP

aren't Instrument channels only for VSTi this plug-in is designed to be used as an effect either in the inserts or auxiliary sends not as a playable instrument

I could be wrong though

..hmmm.. true, I don't know how logic works...

The plug has IsSynth returning false, so it ain't calling itself a synth!

DSP

ttoz wrote:

doesn't work properly at all in cubasesx2. as soon as loaded, just produces constant horrible buzzing noise.. tried old host behaviour also

Same here

I'm getting the demo version of sx as we speak (provided the pinnacle servers don't barf like they did yesterday.. failing that CM CDs here I come!).

I'll do some testing myself. Someone on the CM forum reported the same thing.

Can you guys give me some idea of what soundcard, OS, sys-spec you have?

Many Thanks
Duncan

I tried on a channel from Battery 2 (a VSTi) and like I posted earlier, I got a lovely loud buzzing sound.

My Machine is as follows :-

P4C 3.0gig 800fsb
1 gig of DDR 400
Intel 865PE chipset MB (Gigabyte)
2 x 80 gig IDE drives (ATA100)
CW Luna II audiocard
UAD-1 DSP card
Remote 25
Radeon 9200 dual head Graphics Card
DLink Wifi network card
DVD burner, 17" TFT's, Logitech wireless mouse etc

Software :-

Win2000 Pro (SP4 and patched upto date)
Cubase SX 2.2035 (or whatever the latest V2 is)
Reaktor 4
Kontakt 1.5
Battery II
UAD-1 V3.7 PPI
All Smartelectronix stuff
+ various other VSTi's & Fx that get used now and again - the above is what it (your plugin) must work with for me to use it

Hope this helps.


Everything works like it should in Scope XTC mode (Creamware software envoironment) at 24/44.1 with about 10ms latency.

Well.. I can't get the sx demo to dl from the pinnacle site. I get to about 27%, then it keeps starting again....!

BUT I found a copy of the VST/32 v5 demo on a CM CD. Installed and finally got it working (How come NTrack works straight out of the box, but cubase doesn't?), and evrything is fine - FloFi works as advertised as a send effect, insert and Master channel.

SO
They changed something between VST/32 and SX..

If only I could get hold of a dang demo distribution!

DSP

duncanparsons wrote:

They changed something between VST/32 and SX.. If only I could get hold of a dang demo distribution! DSP

yes they did. but i thought that's what old host behaviour was there for

weird.

the demo is only of the old sx 1.02 yes?

duncanparsons wrote:

Can you guys give me some idea of what soundcard, OS, sys-spec you have? Many Thanks Duncan

1gb ram (2x512 geil)
Athlon XP 3200+
Epox 8rDA3I Nvidia NF2 Ultra 400
M-Audio delta66
CubaseSX 2.2.035
WinXP SP1

cheers

ttoz wrote:

the demo is only of the old sx 1.02 yes?

certainly is.. but that's all I can find w/o crawling warez sites, which I'm not going to do...

DSP

Cool Plug!

yo mates .

first, i've tryed your other plugs and i found them really great. specially the filter one which have a cool sound .
was really interested on this one. not a lot of free pitch vst around here .
unfortunatly it didn't work for me .
i use sx2 and i own a tascam fw1884 (great piece of hardware btw ). when i insert your "latest baby" it makes the audio out overloading. the master go in the red.
the sound i get is a kind of strong sawtooth.

hope it helps... and you'll correct this soon .

POM³-Golden wrote:

yo mates . first, i've tryed your other plugs and i found them really great. specially the filter one which have a cool sound . was really interested on this one. not a lot of free pitch vst around here . unfortunatly it didn't work for me . i use sx2 and i own a tascam fw1884 (great piece of hardware btw ). when i insert your "latest baby" it makes the audio out overloading. the master go in the red. the sound i get is a kind of strong sawtooth. hope it helps... and you'll correct this soon .

Turn the output knob way down and see if that stii happens.

I've been using it a lot and it works perfectly over here in Tracktion.

Thanks for the feedback! It's not a pitch plug-in per se, though. It takes harmonic content and pitch-shifts it and then re-introduces it back to the original signal; so, the fundamental pitch stays the same, and the shifted pitch is modified (and can be detuned).

I, too, would like a good pitch tool.

Regardless, that bug sucks. If I'm not mistaken, Dunc's narrowed it down to the output stage... perhaps it has an internal limiter/compressor that's acting up. I'm not sure, but if you stay tuned, Dunc can probably update you.

Cheers for the bug report, anything greater than SX1 has been problematic for us, but other non-Steinberg hosts have been quite stable with it. Haven't had to worry about freeztar's workaround because I, too, have it working purrfickly in T.

Greg

ooopss !!!
was a bit confused about what this plug really do.
anyway, it still sounds really interesting but i don't think i'll downgrade to SX1... .
hope you'll debug it .

ps: @freeztar the output level have no effect. it happens when you use it whatever you do .

POM³-Golden wrote:

but i don't think i'll downgrade to SX1... .

No doubt, but maybe one day you'll upgrade to something non-buggy.

We'll have to see what Dunc comes up with. You're welcome to stop by the Betabugs Bughouse forum (follow the link in my signature) and report a bug. He also visits this forum, though, so it'll be seen.

Cheers again,
Greg

Hello!

ta for the feedback. The problem can be traced to the compressor code. Most hosts deal OK with the exception that is raised, and just don't run that code. SX2 seems to go crazy...

I can trace to the line that the bug is on, but every attempt so far it ain't budgin'!

I've been going back to it regularly whilst developing other stuff. I hope to have it done in the next couple of weeks.

DSP

@Lunch Money

Great news @duncanparsons

It eats a crap load of CPU on a H/T 3.2ghz P4 I might add like way too much as in 16% per instance.
Just thought I'd let you know.
So I deleted it .............sorry

No need to apologize. What host are you using? FloFi doesn't even make my CPU meter budge. Ie. it doesn't even use 1%. That's in Tracktion with an Athlon 2800+.

Inserting 6 instances back-to-back, I finally got the CPU meter to move.

BTW, you get a god-awful sound by putting 6 instances (default preset) back to back over a snare track.

Holy fook. I'll tell you what, though-- it took me about 20 instances (spread out between 3 tracks, but one was a 'bus') to get it up to 50% and then it crashed my host spectacularly . I'm going to give it another try.

Greg

Without having one track bus to another (which may have been the cause of the crash) I could not crash Tracktion again. I DID, however, force it to shut off realtime audio playback ("end-to-end") in order to preserve itself. Here's a shot of my FloFi farm just before e-to-e shut off:



That's 60 Flofis and 7 Kjaerhus Master Limiters (don't forget the one in the master area).

Which means we need to find out what's different between your system and mine that's causing such high CPU consumption for FloFi. Does anyone else have a similar experience?

Greg