I've just discovered several hundred amazing effects and instruments I didn't know about. I tried Buzz a couple of years back maybe but although I liked the demo songs (esp Akhnaton) I couldn't get my head around how to make my own with all those grids and numerical inputs so I junked it. Then the other day I downloaded Fruity demo and thought I'd try the Buzz adapters so I downloaded every Buzz machine I could get my hands on - over 300 now!! I'm totally knocked out by many of them.

There are synths for every purpose - Additives, FM, Bass, House, Pads - even some good Physical Modelling and the effects rival many found in Reaktor or GRM Tools. They even have a free reverb ported from the Timeworks one (which costs loads). And all ridiculously low CPU and easy to programme. Just to mention a few I've tried so far:

Synths:

Arguelles Alpha, Guru 5 and TV3003 (not really a 303 but great for house chords)
Cyanphase SlideFlute and Vibrasynth 1 (PM stuff)
Firesledge Rectal Anarchy (vocal formant synth)
FSM Infector
HD Bass Guitar, Garage, Gen Station (!!!) and Just Guitar
Geonik's Plucked String, Primifun and Omega 1
Jeskola Organ
ID Jacinth (monster synth)
M4
Madbrain's Table Warp
Q Piano
Ruff Speccy and Speccy 2
Rymix Kyrie Spectra (no presets but lovely warm moogy sound)
Whitenoise Additive, Delta and Syn2 (big pads)
Zephod The Sines, CSynth (huge), MX7 (excellent FM synth), Voidlead, Voidsynth (Sounds like Junglist)

Effects:

Arguru Wassup
Sea Cucumber (looks amazing in Buzz but won't load in Fruity - wish it would)
Whitenoise Multidelay
Sonic Reverb (port of Timeworks reverb)
Kysergia Gapper
LarsaHa FunkyVerb
Rymix Flaserbox
HD ComboDelay
Ninereeds Fractal (won't load - asks for "special library"??)
Dex Multicomp
SmartElectronix Tubescreamer


I've several questions for seasoned Fruity/Buzz users.

How do you (can you) load user waveform's and these special libraries several machines ask for?
Several say "Buzz wavetable not supported"? - what's that and can I get round it in Fruity?
How do you save presets for these machines - there only seems to be a load dialogue?

Are there any other good ones I should try in Fruity? Also are there any others that have been ported to VST apart from the Whitenoise Additive and a couple of the SmartElectronix ones that I already know of?

It seems it may be worth buying Fruity just for this. If I could figure out an easy way to make music in Buzz I'd use that as it seems the community is Buzzing but its a weird way of working to me. I prefer to just play an instrument as my mind/heart takes me and record it as I go along - not input numbers or patterns.

I`m glad you posted about this subject!!!
I have "Traction" installed,which will host buzz...if i`m not mistaken.
I brought it up once or twice,but never got back into it.
Seeing your post has got me going in it again!
I just scaned in all the VST plugs I have.
Just played two of the demo songs and watched it in motion.Sounds ok so far.
The GUI looks more cartoonish then LIVE.But it also looks well thought through in design.
For some reason the rewire .dll crashes it after a bit.

I`ll be keeping an eye on this thread.
I also have fruity...and will see whats up about the "buzz wavetables not supported".

How can Tracktion "host" Buzz - do you mean as a whole programme (Rewire??) or the Buzz plugins - I thought only FL could do that?

I didn't know Buzz had Rewire - how much its developed since I last gave it a look!

Seems I don`t have any buzz plugs in the tracktion sequencer...so i`ll dload them from here;
http://www.buzzmachines.com/
There`s sample mp3 streams to listen to that use BUZZ stuff.

Hey aMUSEd...do you know about Tracktion?
It supports BUZZ fully I believe.
If you want...I can share it with you.

There's a VST adapter called BuzzVST, but I don't know if it works

Im looking at the Tracktion site to see if I remember correctly that it supports Buzz.
http://www.rawmaterialsoftware.com/products/tracktion/

I'm interested in Tracktion, it looks like its growing into a good sequencer and have tried the demo a while back. I don't recall it supporting Buzz machines though. Are you sure? All I know is it comes with a load of MDA plugins but these are not Buzz generators.

I'm not sure what you mean by "share" in this context but if its what I think you mean then no thanks. If I like it enough I'll buy it but at the moment I've just got my eye on it.

metalsvinet wrote:

There's a VST adapter called BuzzVST, but I don't know if it works

There is a VST adapter that works in Buzz to enable it to load VST instruments but I've not tried that yet but I've not come across anything apart from FL that works the other way.

Well ,sorry for my fuss about tracktion/buzz being compatable.
I haven`t read anywhere that they are.
Maybe I thought that cause my friend gave them both to me at the same time a while back.

To suit myself...I`m going to see for myself.
If all goes down the toilee...I`m still here about buzz!!!
I`ve used it and really liked the controls and the cool sounds it produced.

Well ,sorry for my fuss about tracktion/buzz being compatable.
I haven`t read anywhere that they are.
Maybe I thought that cause my friend gave them both to me at the same time a while back.

To suit myself...I`m going to see for myself.
If all goes down the toilee...I`m still here about buzz!!!
I`ve used it and really liked the controls and the cool sounds it produced.

Tracktion is NOT Buzz-compatible and Jules stated
clearly that this is never going to happen.

About the Buzz-vst: It's beta (or even alpha)
and I never managed to get it to work properly.

jens wrote:

Tracktion is NOT Buzz-compatible and Jules stated clearly that this is never going to happen.

You can run buzz macines in any VST host by using the Buzz Adapter in Fruityloops VSTi inside your VST host (e.g. Cubase, Traktion, Muzys etc.). I have been running Buzz Machines in my VST hosts for ages this way

jens sez;

Quote:

Tracktion is NOT Buzz-compatible and Jules stated clearly that this is never going to happen.

I get the feeling from how you worded that, aimed at me...that you must have a bug up your ass about me,or what you thought I was saying and wasn`t!!!
Give it a break man!Lighten up.

In my first reply to aMUSEd,(I suppose that`s Jules),I wrote;

Quote:

I have "Traction" installed,which will host buzz...if i`m not mistaken.

Note the "if I`m not mistaken"...this is called etiquette!

Quote:

I get the feeling from how you worded that, aimed at me...that you must have a bug up your ass about me,or what you thought I was saying and wasn`t!!! Give it a break man!Lighten up.

relax mate - I just wanted to be unmistakeable

I'm not Jules

Jules is the developer of Tracktion.

That you were...

PatchArena wrote:

You can run buzz macines in any VST host by using the Buzz Adapter in Fruityloops VSTi inside your VST host (e.g. Cubase, Traktion, Muzys etc.). I have been running Buzz Machines in my VST hosts for ages this way

anyone having any luck running this buzz adapter in ORION plat? i tried but have been unable to figure out how to load the adapter. any help would be appreciated!
thanks!
JUNEBUG

PatchArena wrote:

You can run buzz macines in any VST host by using the Buzz Adapter in Fruityloops VSTi inside your VST host (e.g. Cubase, Traktion, Muzys etc.). I have been running Buzz Machines in my VST hosts for ages this way

anyone having any luck running this buzz adapter in ORION plat? i tried but have been unable to figure out how to load the adapter. any help would be appreciated!
thanks!
JUNEBUG

Quote:

You can run buzz macines in any VST host by using the Buzz Adapter in Fruityloops VSTi inside your VST host (e.g. Cubase, Traktion, Muzys etc.). I have been running Buzz Machines in my VST hosts for ages this way

yes, I know this, but is is really stable?
And what about the additonal cpu load?


- I'd love to do it this way.... - then FL
would probably be well worth the money for me....

aMUSEd wrote:

metalsvinet wrote: There's a VST adapter called BuzzVST, but I don't know if it works There is a VST adapter that works in Buzz to enable it to load VST instruments but I've not tried that yet but I've not come across anything apart from FL that works the other way.

No, I meant BuzzVST, the adapter supposed to allow Buzz machines to work in a VST host. But like the guy who took my name (yes, my name is Jens too ) I never got it to work.

So far my limited experience has shown that the CPU load from the BUZZ machines is so low anyway it may well be worth the extra overhead from FL itself. The main problem I've had though is there seems to be no way to load FL VST as an effect so you can only use the Generators unless you load your instruments etc in FL VST and process them with Buzz effects. The BUZZ effects are pretty amazing actually - seem to me to be better than most of the ones that come with Fruity.

The only other thing is I've not worked out how you would save BUZZ presets within Fruity - and it won't play ball with something like a third of the machines)

junebug wrote:

PatchArena wrote: You can run buzz macines in any VST host by using the Buzz Adapter in Fruityloops VSTi inside your VST host (e.g. Cubase, Traktion, Muzys etc.). I have been running Buzz Machines in my VST hosts for ages this way anyone having any luck running this buzz adapter in ORION plat? i tried but have been unable to figure out how to load the adapter. any help would be appreciated! thanks! JUNEBUG

Does Orion have a Buzz Adapter?

Fruityloops has a Buzz Adapter so you can run Buzz Macines inside it.

As Fruityloops can also be used as a VSTi itself you can run it inside Orion in order to use its Buzz Adapter inside Orion (via Fruity VSTi).

This way you can have Buzz Macines running inside any VST host.

I love Buzz...it was actually my first VST/VSTi host!

Even though I'm thrilled with using SONAR these days as my main host, I still really like getting away from everything for a bit and going back to Buzz again...I've found it to be a great way to get out of musical ruts, when "standard" playing and recording techniques start going stale when my hands keep falling into playing predictable licks, scales, chords, shapes and patterns. Using Buzz's grid forces me to think in completely different ways.

For a while I was really hoping for some kind of solidly working Buzz-2-VST adapter or something...but these days, I find myself having more fun creating stuff in Buzz and exporting them as WAV's to use as loops in other hosts instead (using SONAR's ACID'ized groove-clips, ReCycle, pPro, etc). I've recently gone back and started creating a whole ton of new songs based on Buzz sequences and patterns I created a long time ago.

BTW, for those who don't know: the great-sounding LarsHa FunkyVerb in Buzz was made by the same folks at Ultrafunk/Sonitus...it was basically a free version of their excellent Sonitus Reverb. I liked it so much I bought the full VST version to use in things outside of Buzz.

edited

wow
I didnt know that har
thanx for pointing that out
I downloaded bucketloads of them things but only ever tried a few
the vst's keep me busy enough.

Sorta OT: Can somebody point me towards smartelectronix tube-screamer? I cant find it on their site.

If you mean the Buzz effect it's here:

http://web.hibo.no/~mva/machines/download.php?get=Smartelectronix_Tube screamer_v11.zip&newid=693

I seem to remember that the internal pathways of Buzz are 16bit, but someone correct me if I'm wrong...

Nice to see that buzz is taken seriously now.

To clarify the things a bit:

-The buzz rewire effect is making a rewire HOST out of buzz but for AUDIO only. So there is basically no way of controlling buzz machines by rewire. However, this means that you can run any rewire SLAVE and route the audio very easily from within buzz. Knowing that buzz is a modular environement(think about energy xt with all the bells and whistles Amused told you about) the possibilities are extremely interesting. Of course you can route the rewired audio to vst plugins. It's a great way to cope with the lack of a proper support of audio tracks in buzz if you want my opinion:D

-the buzz vst adapter is very alpha. It's extremely unstable and doesn't work as it should.

-Fruity loops is the only application having a buzz machine wrapper which has been licenced. You can use a lot of machines in it, as far i've noticed, but you can't load machines which require to access the buzz wavetable. The buzz wavetable is the corner where you load wavefiles to use in the various tracker/sampler machines of buzz(you need to run buzz to figure out). It has basically nothing to do with a wavetable as it is commonly refered to.

-Buzz is really often refered to as a very unstable piece of software. This is partly true. But you have to keep in mind that it's due to some of the "machines"(the native buzz plugins). A wise thing is to isolate the machines which are alpha or beta or that you have experienced troubles with.

Slightly OT...but, I thought it might be useful.

This thread crashed my computer.

It got me wondering. First of all it, it got me wondering what annode meant by sharing Tracktion, then I wondered why annode claimed Tracktion supports Buzz, then I wondered why annode got so mad at Jen for saying that Tracktion doesn't support Buzz and according to the developer never will. No offense, annode, but you confused me three times.

Then when PatchArena said something about using Buzz machines in the plugin version of FL Studio, I thought I remembered that it only works in the standalone.

So I gave it a try. I loaded Tracktion and loaded FL Studio in it. When I tried to add a Buzz Machine adapter, it gave me a message saying that it was unsupported in the plugin version and it never went away. I had to manually stop Tracktion in the Task Manager...



Bloody pain in the ass. There is no sharing of commercial goods. There is no Buzz support in Tracktion. There is no buzz support in the plugin version of FL Studio.

I remember a few years ago when Buzz first hit town.

I slagged it as too difficult and uncool looking, then promptly received a huge bollocking from Uncle E who wouldn't speak to me for a year after that

Nice to see a mini Buzz revival

pough wrote:

There is no buzz support in the plugin version of FL Studio.

Yeah it sems it's only allowed in the standalone officially. If you try them in the standalone though there are some amazing synths and effects to be had - especially if you download the full Buzz install and get all the latest machines.

pough wrote:

Then when PatchArena said something about using Buzz machines in the plugin version of FL Studio, I thought I remembered that it only works in the standalone. So I gave it a try. I loaded Tracktion and loaded FL Studio in it. When I tried to add a Buzz Machine adapter, it gave me a message saying that it was unsupported in the plugin version and it never went away. I had to manually stop Tracktion in the Task Manager... Bloody pain in the ass. There is no sharing of commercial goods. There is no Buzz support in Tracktion. There is no buzz support in the plugin version of FL Studio.

Hi Pough,

Damn, I caused a crash with you. Sorry dude

It does work but you need to make a tweak

Ok, rename the Traktion.exe to fl.exe or fruityloops.exe (depending on which version of Fruity you have). Now open Buzz Macines Adapter in VSTi and you might still get the message but you will then beable to use Buzz Macines in the plugin in Traktion. It basically fools the adapter that it is still operating in Fruityloops/FL Studio rather than Traktion

Let me know if you got it working

It works in all the hosts I tried (Cubase VST, SX, Muzys) so it should work in Traktion

If I load it in the VSTi I get this message:

Quote:

The Buzz community doesn't acknowledge the use of Buzz machines in the FruityLoops plugin. If you want to use Buzz machines and generators, please use the FruityLoops standalone version. Continue loading the plugin anyway?

But if I click yes it loads and plays fine with no crashes etc. This gives you the choice (and maybe an ethical dilemma) but doesn't stop you doing it if you really want to. So I don't see the point of mesing with filenames etc.