it's just like Jeskola Buzz -- it crashes and everything. only it has a piano roll and a worse playlist/sequencer.

Hmmm
Not being a Buzzhead I still have to admit that it doesn't seem to crash every so often. Dunno about aero though.. wil check it out tonight.

[i think this thread should be in the hosts forum]

I havnt had any crashes yet (running P3+win98+256MB)

but couldnot load any vsti either - it shows in the list
but when I select it, nothing happens....

anyone else tryed it?

it sounds very good though.

Its buggy right now. Wont load VSTi/VST , it shows it in the list but wont load it.
Many cosmetics stuff to be fixed in there, I hope they'll fix it all, I like the Tracker style with piano roll concept. Plus the Psycle/Buzz way of connecting machines ( Routing ) is much better than Cubase.

Seems like it has a niche fir spouting the 64 bit, and maybe analyzing but I would definitely make this a beta (around the .8 range?)
wheres the midi? found no way to load vsts

as eager as they or he seems to get this out itd be nicer once there is more functionality and less shady website. They wont tell you anything, but theyll take your $$$

the buzz tracker is very intimidating (or maybe even retarded). you have one note column and 30 columns (more with vsti) with synth parameters in fusion synth. that doesn't make sense to me. who's going to use 30 parameters in real time. You don;t need all this shit on the screen. Psycle is much more elegant and simple.

the concept of Aero is very good though.

sounds like it could develop into something interesting. i'll be trying the demo when it's in better shape (and when there's more info on the site).

It loads VST instruments and effects just fine. You have to place your VST plugins in the Plugins/Gear/VST/ folder or add paths to the Gear.config.xml manually. This is a bit tricky, I know. Graphical interfaces to handle this stuff will follow in an update soon.

The root problem is the lack of documentation at the moment.

Thanks for the feedback.

Best regards
Jens, ioNeo

(I'm interested to know how/if it handles groove quantise (DNA templates?), and bounce/freeze vst rendering.)

Jens, check out psycle. if you make an alternative pattern editor (not relpacement for buzz) that works exactly like psycle: note column, midi channel, effect column and that's it, i'll buy your product right away. Currently notes in piano roll don't correspond to what's in the pattern editor because the patter editor holds only one note. As far as i'm concerned, the big thing about areo would be the ability to edit exactly the same data with piano roll and patter editor. Right now, that's not possible.

I have to say, this looks pretty promising. I've used buzz extensively in the past, and played with psycle, and once you get used to the unusual modular setup and tracker interface, they can be very powerful indeed. If this can be as flexible as Buzz/psycle, but with good sound quality and proper Vst/Vsti support, then it'll be one of the most powerful music packages on the market. And well worth the price. But it does look like they're rushed to release. I'll still be downloading it though

I'd urge all the traditional sequencer users not to jump to the conclusion that tracker interface = shit product. If you can give some time to learning the ropes, you'll realise that you can do some clever stuff.

aerostudio wrote:

It loads VST instruments and effects just fine....

do you want to listen to your potential customers or do you just want to call them wrong

I`ve tryed both methods you`ve suggested. I`ve edited the XML, I plaved the VSTi in the correct folder and still cant load any VSTis...its showes on the list of generators under the "other" category, but when i choose it, nothing happens...

would help if you could check it, except for that, it works preaty nice and stable...

P.S.
not everyone is familliar with XML editting

Does it handle asio and midi?

probly whats being worked on now. Stable here
I put that face there to not seem so cold (cuz theres no love at work)
I've never dug tracking but I could see how this would develop as an experienced trackers dream who wants to add more versatile universal stuff, a lil old skool piano roll the modular...ity...ness
uh

feel kinda teased but where Im at Ive just reached a stable consistent setup I dont have any more room in my mind for hosts...and I dont want to have to be connecting shit just to hear it, at least the main synth, not that I dont understand it just Im finally not overwhelmed with all of the choices and have limited myself to only the essential sounds, workflow I want (okay: samples, synths, multitrack audio=kontakt/intakt/reaktor/orion is my thing, but cant decide about multitrack audio....acid, tracktion)
anyway sorry for the ramble
tired, not really stoned enough and bummed
(for the no love at work, as in, from anyone)

cbit,
Sorry, it doesn't handle any of the things you mentioned at the moment.

Oblagon,
A global controller machine + multi-track editing in the pinao roll is under development. This will add the functionality your after(?).

quincy,
Yes, the main idea behind Aero Studio is to combine the two concepts. This adds loads of flexibillity and freedom but also, unfortunately, a great deal of complexity.

BoksteR,
Sorry, I was not my intention to say you're wrong. Could you try to move one of the VST plugins to the VST folder and see if that works?

Banjostar,
This will be part of the next update.
[/quote]

Hey mooter, don't fret mate, you got love from your friends here at KVR

As for the host thing, I know what you mean. I use Orion, and i love it. But also dabble with Reason 1.0. Thing is that i love these toys, but if you're happy then don't complicate matters. I like having loads of stuff to play with. But then playing is all i ever do, never really been serious about music. Its just for fun really!

I'm not stoned enough either. But then i'm at work right now. Probably have a brownie later

Hey Jens,

Thanks for the reply. Don't be down if people here have some bad stuff to say about your new software, they don't mean it to be personal i think. Its good to have some feedback, and i assure you that if you are good and attentive and answer people here, and do your best to improve the software, you will make many friends and customers here. I'm behind you mate, i think aero studio has great potential

Go aero!

aerostudio wrote:

Oblagon, A global controller machine + multi-track editing in the pinao roll is under development. This will add the functionality your after(?).

ahh, more like multi track editing in patter editor. the problem with patter editor is that it has a fixed resolution unlike piano roll. what i'm after is patter editor that would exactly replicate the notes from piano roll and the other way around. i don't know how to accomplish this with fixed pattern resolution. Maybe with note delay commands ?

I just don't think that buzz pattern editor is the right choice for vsti and more complex synth. there's too many parameters. one, old effect column for midi controllers and vst is the way to go. Once again, this is resolved well enough in Psycle.

Yes, global patter editors ala Psycle would be splendid. I'd like to use everything, sequencer, piano roll and global tracker and energyxt between machines

Oblagon wrote:

aerostudio wrote: Oblagon, A global controller machine + multi-track editing in the pinao roll is under development. This will add the functionality your after(?). ahh, more like multi track editing in patter editor. the problem with patter editor is that it has a fixed resolution unlike piano roll. what i'm after is patter editor that would exactly replicate the notes from piano roll and the other way around. i don't know how to accomplish this with fixed pattern resolution. Maybe with note delay commands ? I just don't think that buzz pattern editor is the right choice for vsti and more complex synth. there's too many parameters. one, old effect column for midi controllers and vst is the way to go. Once again, this is resolved well enough in Psycle. Yes, global patter editors ala Psycle would be splendid. I'd like to use everything, sequencer, piano roll and global tracker and energyxt between machines

Hey oblagon. Could you explain how psycle is different than buzz. I remember playing with it ages ago but can't remember how it does things differently. Does it have a more traditional tracker pattern editor, where everything is done in one editor? Not seperated out for each machine like buzz?

aerostudio wrote:

Banjostar, This will be part of the next update.

Come to think of it I don't need it. It's a tracker, and with trackers the fun part is using your computer keyboard

Quote:

Hey oblagon. Could you explain how psycle is different than buzz. I remember playing with it ages ago but can't remember how it does things differently. Does it have a more traditional tracker pattern editor, where everything is done in one editor? Not seperated out for each machine like buzz?

yes, it's more traditional pattern editor updated for midi. note column, midi channel, instrument number fx column. if you neeed more than one fx column you just enter midi channel, instrument number and effect withhout the note in another track.

I have each instrument connected to energyxt. that way i get 15 arpegiators / chords (or piano roll patterns) per instrument that can be activated by changing midi channel beside instrument number. very quick and easy.

Oblagon wrote:

Quote: Hey oblagon. Could you explain how psycle is different than buzz. I remember playing with it ages ago but can't remember how it does things differently. Does it have a more traditional tracker pattern editor, where everything is done in one editor? Not seperated out for each machine like buzz? yes, it's more traditional pattern editor updated for midi. note column, midi channel, instrument number fx column. if you neeed more than one fx column you just enter midi channel, instrument number and effect withhout the note in another track. I have each instrument connected to energyxt. that way i get 15 arpegiators / chords (or piano roll patterns) per instrument that can be activated by changing midi channel beside instrument number. very quick and easy.

Thanks oblagon. Have to say, that does sound like a nice and easy set-up. One thing i liked about buzz was the seperation of the patterns for each machine though, cos then you could have very complicated patterns without having far too many channels in the song arrangement bit. Its tricky to know what the perfect balance would be. I think i'll try aero, and maybe psycle again, when i get home a bit later. By the looks of things though, aero has a good future i think.

Quote:

Thanks oblagon. Have to say, that does sound like a nice and easy set-up. One thing i liked about buzz was the seperation of the patterns for each machine though, cos then you could have very complicated patterns without having far too many channels in the song arrangement bit. Its tricky to know what the perfect balance would be. I think i'll try aero, and maybe psycle again, when i get home a bit later. By the looks of things though, aero has a good future i think.

I agree. it's nice to have pattern per machine as well to keep everything cleaner and less cluttered. But I also like to use global editing. Having bass, synth line in one pattern is faster than constantly switching between the two. I can see myself using everything There are advantages to each method of editing.

Jens, check out the latest Aodix. pattern editor works with midi controllers. all vst parameters can be assigned to midi controllers and easily controlled from pattern editor.

I think it looks interesting even if it still has that weird tracker method you can at least just play stuff freely too by the sound of it - especially if the synths are as good as they say and if you can record as you play rather than having to input loads of stupid numbers or patterns

- I'd like to see some decent sized screenshots though - the site is very "minimal information".

(1999 posts - have to think of something really clever to say next)

Let's not forget what trackers are.

Quote:

Let's not forget what trackers are.

jens wrote:

Quote: Let's not forget what trackers are.

I can do that too. Is there something you would like to say?

Some people don't realise the power of trackers, and yes that means all the entering of numbers etc. It means you can enter precise values for automating parameters and stuff. You ask any old-school tracker lovers here and they'll tell you that you can be very creative using trackers. It takes a bit of practise, but then so does getting into the depths of a normal sequencer!

Quote:

Is there something you would like to say?

I can ask that question too

And yes, there is something I like to say:

from the website:

Quote:

Aero studio is a virtual music studio for your normal desktop pc.

I can't read anywhere that it's 'just' a tracker.

there are advantages to both tracker and midi sequqncers. If you can't see that you're simply not bright enough to use the great features both can offer.

Anything that successfully fuses both gets my vote.

I forgot to add how great it would be with Tracktion.
Sorry about the negative comment, I really am interested in this development and wish you the best.

I've had the old beta sitting on my machine for a while now... it's good to see this thing at least make it to release (even if it has some rough edges). It's good to know that trackers are still managing to push the boundries.

This thing looks great.. and conceptually it's really got a lot of potential. I definately look forward to seeing where this goes.

quincy wrote:

Some people don't realise the power of trackers, and yes that means all the entering of numbers etc. It means you can enter precise values for automating parameters and stuff. You ask any old-school tracker lovers here and they'll tell you that you can be very creative using trackers. It takes a bit of practise, but then so does getting into the depths of a normal sequencer!

An interesting point, but I've always wondered if there are things you can do in trackers that you can't elsewhere. I should add that I was not born with the tracker gene. Consequently I've never been able to make much sense of them.

I'm not trying to start a flame war, but I would really like to hear (perhaps in another thread?) what some users are able to get out of trackers that they can't with other software. Or is it more of a "whatever floats your boat" kind of thing?

Cheers,
Steve

In Aero Studio, are the piano roll and tracker interfaces an either/or situation, so that all the info I enter in one also appears in the other? Perhaps that would help me overcome my genetic absence.

I'm at work, so I can't test the demo, but the intro on the site doesn't make this clear.

Cheers,
Steve

shamann wrote:

quincy wrote: Some people don't realise the power of trackers, and yes that means all the entering of numbers etc. It means you can enter precise values for automating parameters and stuff. You ask any old-school tracker lovers here and they'll tell you that you can be very creative using trackers. It takes a bit of practise, but then so does getting into the depths of a normal sequencer! An interesting point, but I've always wondered if there are things you can do in trackers that you can't elsewhere. I should add that I was not born with the tracker gene. Consequently I've never been able to make much sense of them. I'm not trying to start a flame war, but I would really like to hear (perhaps in another thread?) what some users are able to get out of trackers that they can't with other software. Or is it more of a "whatever floats your boat" kind of thing? Cheers, Steve

You're right in a way steve, its all a matter of preference in the end. And to be honest, there's nothing that could be done in a tracker that can't be done in a normal sequencer - and vice-versa. But put it this way, its quite tricky to do exact note-by-note automation of parameters with traditioal sequencer setup. With trackers, you can put in parameter values with numbers, which may seem a bit backward, but means you can be very precise. it also means you can often see a lot of information in one screen, so you can have a better idea of whats going on at any point in a track/pattern etc.

I'm sure as hell not gonna pretend that they are better/worse than sequencers, thats just stupid. But you can do some very creative stuff in a modular enviroment, and make very complex setups/mixes.

Love the look and concept: it doesn't seem complex so much as modular. A little bit of documentation would go a long way at this point. I'm also at the point where I want to maximize the time actually spent IN the music. But this might be worth the learning curve. It's wait and see and fiddle with the demo time.

quincy wrote:

...

Thanks for the answer quincy. Much help.

Steve.

shamann wrote:

An interesting point, but I've always wondered if there are things you can do in trackers that you can't elsewhere. I should add that I was not born with the tracker gene. Consequently I've never been able to make much sense of them. I'm not trying to start a flame war, but I would really like to hear (perhaps in another thread?) what some users are able to get out of trackers that they can't with other software. Or is it more of a "whatever floats your boat" kind of thing? Cheers, Steve

There's not really anything that can only be done with trackers. That said, there are a lot of things that are much faster/easier with trackers than with traditional sequencers. I've used Buzz a lot, and i'm currently also using Tracktion, so i have seen both sides. The most important area of usage for trackers for me is drum programming. I can whip up insane drill'n'bass beats much quicker in a tracker than with a piano roll. Editing the volume for each hit is much faster than with mouse-edited velocities, doing retrigs and stutters is incredibly quick and easy compared to the piano roll way, and pitching sounds up or down is as easy as it ever gets.

Another, more specific application of trackers is the ability to easily randomize things rhythmically. Just make a pattern, randomize a chosen parameter, and it will change each tick. Want a slower randomization? Just delete every other pattern value, which is very easily done in a tracker. This kind of thing requires a lot more effort in a piano roll environment.

Having said that, i can write complex drill'n'bass drums in Tracktion too. Some things are easier in trackers, some things (like writing chords and melodies, and creating slow, long automation) are easier and quicker in a piano roll. What i personally want most of all (and i have heard some vague rumors of this coming true) is a tracker VSTi. Let's pray.

Well, just checked out the demo songs, and aero is sounding pretty damn good. It looks pretty decent, and the sound quality is stomping all over buzz/psycle. I think we may have the potential mother of all trackers here

But jens - not sure this is a release version though. Sorry - maybe some beta testing by us tracker fans at KVR might help out a bit. Trouble is, cos can't save in the demo, can't really test it properly. What you reckon people?

shamann wrote:

An interesting point, but I've always wondered if there are things you can do in trackers that you can't elsewhere. I should add that I was not born with the tracker gene. Consequently I've never been able to make much sense of them.

It took me about 2 years of off and on trial and error to figure it out myself.. once you get the basics, the rest sets in place a lot easier..

shamann wrote:

I'm not trying to start a flame war, but I would really like to hear (perhaps in another thread?) what some users are able to get out of trackers that they can't with other software. Or is it more of a "whatever floats your boat" kind of thing?

weird portamento slides for one.. wooorreeeaaaaa aarrroooooooo

I always found it infinitely easier to sequence for piano in a tracker.. mainly because you can place the cursor on the initial part of the sequence you want and hit a key (like F6) and it will play from there.. you could also play individual ticks/steps so you could pull out any dissharmonance (a new word?) notes.

Then again I cant play piano.. im sure if i could play well then the normal sequencer would be easier..

hmm.... breakbeats were a lot easier for me.. it makes the process of resequencing a beat a lot more managable (imo) in a tracker.. since you get per-note control.. you can modulate anything you wish in a tracker..

the only bad side to tracking was for a long time there were no effects or plugin support.. so that means no eq, no compression, not even real delay (though you can emulate it)

if you wanted a decent sounding tune.. you had to either affect the samples ahead of time.. or stream each channel to a wav and do it outside of the tracker.. or both.

cool, it downloaded in the time I posted that first message..

hmm very nice demos..

I like the piano roll.. its similar to orions in that you dont have to draw the entire note.. and simple right click deletes..

Feels like it was coded in Java hmm..

still seems a bit basic but I may have found a new home.. at least a getaway

edit: I want the Fusion Synth as a VSTi.. very brilliant sound

how about a demo version with save that expires after some time ?

Oblagon wrote:

how about a demo version with save that expires after some time ?

Good call. 30 day demo maybe?

I think just to be interesting and different it would be cool if you had a set amount of saves, say like, 5 or 10

mooter wrote:

I think just to be interesting and different it would be cool if you had a set amount of saves, say like, 5 or 10

for one day ?

even better:)

thats even better:)

I just meant total. as a demo

Damn.. I like this, tried the demo at work , have to play with it more when I get home. I started with trackers so I have a soft spot for them

I love the look of it - just downloaded it. I'll have to try it out.

Wow... Just getting into this...tinkering in the parameter editor... great fun .

About VST implementation: Clearly VST support is not ready yet. Plugin GUI doesn't load, you can see only the parameters. Also VST plugins must be at root directory to work.. If your VST plugins are under subdirs they won't load (I think this was main problem why people couldn't get it to work).. These should be first priority to fix (along ASIO support) to attract potential customers. Asking price is a bit high for a product that is clearly not finished. Just my opinion.. I'm very interested in this product however since the main concept is really good. I'll be checking for new versions.

Aero is great! More sequencers should use such an open platform. Jens has left so much room for improvments. I can't wait to see this software develop. All it needs is for the SDK to be released so people can code the peices they see missing (such as audio cilp sequencing/editing, piano roll imporvements, etc. There is only so much one man can do at once.
I will never use any soft ware that doesn't have a way to mix modular-wize such as in Aero!
Keep up the good work Jens!

jtstatic wrote:

Plugin GUI doesn't load, you can see only the parameters.

right click on the plugin and select editor.

the pattern editor is not ready for vst.

Hey thanks oblagon, I should've played with it more before posting (I will this weekend when I have time). Other points still stand. Esp. the VST plugin detection needs improvement, but I understand this must be in the works already..I also got some weird crashing when I select a new machine, will have to look at this too.

I agree its not really ready for 1.0 status.. I dont even see a simple undo function..


at this point if it was selling at or south of the $50 mark then I'd consider it..

..actually I'd probably spend $50 just to get the generators as stable working VSTi's

I honestly think Energy-XT actually almost has the most potential in that modular direction. If jorgen created a tracker interface that could tie to the sequencer modules and the envelopes.. it'd almost be perfect. And it's already pretty damn stable.

Not to take anything away from Aero tho... I gave it a go, and it's got enormous potential! Nicely done to say the least. It's a bit pricey for it's current state of implementation tho...

Btw, there's a new demo out that can handle subdirs so just edit the gear.config.xml file and add your VST path to get plugins to work.

some plugins don't still work but crash when loading (I've discovered at least NI battery and PSP Mixpack that don't work so far)..

jtstatic wrote:

Btw, there's a new demo out that can handle subdirs so just edit the gear.config.xml file and add your VST path to get plugins to work.

You can download a new version now with built in Plugin directories manager dialog.

best regards
Jens

ie. You don't need to edit the file manually anymore.

btw
What plugins made Aero crash?

ie. You don't need to edit the file manually anymore.

btw
What plugins made Aero crash?

Yes the new plugin manager ok, thanks for clearing that out I guess I got too used to editing the xml-file..

so far the ones that don't work for me (cause immediate crash when loading) are:

Native instruments Battery
Native instruments FM7
PSP Mixpack (all plugins in the suite)
Tau2

impOSCar demo works ok in editor mode but crashes in parameter mode.

I tried Absynth. I doesnt cause crash, but most of the parameters are missing. Only mod 1, vol and midi pan are there.

Oblagon wrote:

the buzz tracker is very intimidating (or maybe even retarded). you have one note column and 30 columns (more with vsti) with synth parameters in fusion synth. that doesn't make sense to me. who's going to use 30 parameters in real time. You don;t need all this shit on the screen. Psycle is much more elegant and simple.

There are a lot of things in buzz you can't do in psycle as far as control. Once you use it for a while you'll miss those in psycle. Big time. Depends on the level of detail you're looking for.

Aero looks very promising though, the GUI is good, and pretty easy to digest even for hardcore buzzers. And the sound is great. Stable on my pc. A few things do need to be rounded off - pattern editing and others - for it to be a step ahead of other trackers. The sequencer definetely is one.

elekt wrote:

There are a lot of things in buzz you can't do in psycle as far as control. Once you use it for a while you'll miss those in psycle. Big time. Depends on the level of detail you're looking for.

Yes, but having a pattern with 60 or more columns of parameters is an overkill. To be able to sequence 2 notes at a time you have to add another 60 columns of synth parameters. Buzz pattern structure works well with smaller synths.

I think it would be cool if it was possible to select to show only those parameters you use. That way things would keep better organized.

jtstatic wrote:

I think it would be cool if it was possible to select to show only those parameters you use. That way things would keep better organized.

I will add that to Aero Studio.

best regards
Jens

skybax wrote:

it's just like Jeskola Buzz -- it crashes and everything. only it has a piano roll and a worse playlist/sequencer.

Hi,

I just have to react, if you want Buzz stable, just use stable machines, but I understand that Buzz is studio hardcore

Give a time for Aero, I think it could beat in future all others sw.

Ekral

Oblagon wrote:

Yes, but having a pattern with 60 or more columns of parameters is an overkill. To be able to sequence 2 notes at a time you have to add another 60 columns of synth parameters.

A Peer Chord machine solves that in Buzz.

Aero features the thing i always wanted to be on a tracker : piano roll.
Yeah , but the program is still young and it need more development , altough i think it would be awesome if it supports compatibility with Buzz plugins.

LostBuddha, Renoise will soon have a piano roll too (in case you're interested), and BuzzLE will be (presumably) much more stable than the old Buzz.
Having said that, I like the look of Aero Studio too. It's nice watching it all improve day by day.

the thing that I'm finally fed up with in normal trackers in the tick based timing. Aero is more of a 'real' sequencer since it uses events. So you can do anything with the timing, no restrictions like trackers. There's no doubt in my mind this will (eventually) be the greatest tracker and a damn fine standard sequencer as well.

the thing i like about Aero the most is the parameter editor. something new that you don't get anywhere else. once all the editing features are finished, parameter and pattern editors will be a killer combo. on the other hand the sequencer and split tracks piss me off. it takes too much time to change and move stuff around.

Aero is evolving at a steady pace (just look at the update history) and keeps getting better all the time..

If you like Aero why not join the mailing list? Jens has been very open to suggestions and I believe if you have ideas for the sequencer etc. it would be appreciated - that is if you have the time and interest..

I just updated to the latest version (DEMO) 1.0.6.7
and I can't load a vst. I can see them in the new machine menue but if I click OK when one is selected, the menue closes and nothing happens.

soma wrote:

I just updated to the latest version (DEMO) 1.0.6.7 and I can't load a vst. I can see them in the new machine menue but if I click OK when one is selected, the menue closes and nothing happens.

I had same problem. I had beta Aero and Aero Studio both on program files. I deleted Aero beta and installed 1.0.6.7 again. Then it was perfect.
I dont really know if beta somehow f#"%ed with new version, but this worked for me.

Have you set you VST plugin directory from "gear plugin directories" menu? After this you should get all VST plugins under "unsorted" machines. Remember that always if you install a new version Aero will load default settings and you have to set the VST plugin directory again.

BoksteR wrote:

aerostudio wrote: It loads VST instruments and effects just fine.... do you want to listen to your potential customers or do you just want to call them wrong I`ve tryed both methods you`ve suggested. I`ve edited the XML, I plaved the VSTi in the correct folder and still cant load any VSTis...its showes on the list of generators under the "other" category, but when i choose it, nothing happens... would help if you could check it, except for that, it works preaty nice and stable... P.S. not everyone is familliar with XML editting

It does work just fine. I have not had the demo crash yet, and all but two VST/i's that I have tried have worked perfectly. There have been improvements every week, too. I just don't see what the problem is??? You guys (most) seem pretty down on something that works like a charm for me. Early releases needed some sequencer improvements, but those have been done now.

OH, BTW, nothing personal as far as quoting you, it could have been any one of many posts but yours happened to be the one I got!

The Lost Buddha wrote:

Aero features the thing i always wanted to be on a tracker : piano roll. Yeah , but the program is still young and it need more development , altough i think it would be awesome if it supports compatibility with Buzz plugins.

Is that planned for? (sorry but I haven't read the whole thread) - that would be awesome - I am quite intrigued by this new Host myself, I like Buzz for its instruments and effects but don't like the music by spreadsheet approach.

jtstatic wrote:

Have you set you VST plugin directory from "gear plugin directories" menu? After this you should get all VST plugins under "unsorted" machines. Remember that always if you install a new version Aero will load default settings and you have to set the VST plugin directory again.

Yes I did this. I could select teh vst I wanted but it never shows up in teh machine window. I did not uninstall the old version. I installed on top of it. Is that a problem?

[edit] oops, I found the problem. I changed my dir for aero not for vst. (I think vst should be at the top of the pull down list, because people will almost always set up a vst dir while they will most likely just use teh areo plug in folder provided)

Just downloaded the demo but |I can't sem to find how to set it up for ASIO etc - latency is a bit poor but there's nowhere to change that.

dunno - it seems to just lock on to your default system sound settings

still an intriguing little app developing here though

slainte rob

aMUSEd wrote:

Just downloaded the demo but |I can't sem to find how to set it up for ASIO etc - latency is a bit poor but there's nowhere to change that.

Latency is poor mostly because there is no ASIO yet. It's in the works though. You can use the app with current sound support though.. features that would require such a low latency (like realtime recording etc.) are not implemented yet anyway..

it would be nice to see a rough roadmap of where jens is going with aero and what his priorities are ...

... no ???

slainte rob

pHz wrote:

it would be nice to see a rough roadmap of where jens is going with aero and what his priorities are ... ... no ??? slainte rob

Yeah, that would be cool.. I believe this was discussed at the mailing list but unfortunately can't remember what the conclusion was.. anyway my suggestion is to join the mailing list since you will get most information there. I have a separate free mailbox set up so it won't fill up my other mailboxes.

btw, since there is no documentation (yet) a good tip for new users is to check the release notes from the site. all new features and short description (keycommand etc.) is listed in the release notes.. this roughly gives you the idea how some of the features work.

Err...i don't want to piss on anyone's cornflakes here, cos aero looked superb from the demo i tried a while back, but whats the point in having a piano roll in a tracker?! If you use a piano-roll, it won't be tracking will it?!

Just seems daft to have a tracker if people don't actually, well, track!

Anyway, no serious thing, so don't flame me!

Tracker is a tracker, nothing more. Aero is kind of tracker/sequencer combination plus modular routing. You can use it like traditional sequencer or like a tracker or better yet, both.. I think it can be a very powerful program in the near future. It's even starting to look pretty darn good at its current state.

quincy: ah the hardcore tracker, a unique breed Why NOT have a pianoroll in a tracker? There are some things that tracker interfaces are very bad at that pianorolls do easily and vise versa. Anyway Aero is more of a 'real' sequencer than a tracker since there are no restrictions to ticks, the tracker editor simply displays whatever events fall in the tpb you set. It works great.

Vectrex wrote:

quincy: ah the hardcore tracker, a unique breed Why NOT have a pianoroll in a tracker? There are some things that tracker interfaces are very bad at that pianorolls do easily and vise versa. Anyway Aero is more of a 'real' sequencer than a tracker since there are no restrictions to ticks, the tracker editor simply displays whatever events fall in the tpb you set. It works great.

Thats a fair point, using the best of both worlds. As long as tracker elements remain intact!

Oh and to be honest, i'm not a hardcore tracker, i just used to be a few years ago. Don't use Buzz etc anymore, but might go back soon now i have EnergyXT