Okay correct the flaws in this tought:

Why not make an sequencer/daw that would not need a os running in the background?
You would install it just like windows etc. and have a choice on startup Windows/Daw. No os running in the background = more stable and effective?

Ofcourse such things as device support would cause a lot of work, not to mention the work of coding such a system, but this could be done right? Just to get the entire industry (or lets say the big ones) to support a project like this?

Interested to hear your thoughts about this..

Audio on Linux is taking big steps towards being something great. When Linux handles VST and stuff I'm sure that there will be dedicated audio distributions.

Yeah, its called an MPC 4000.

They still crash .. but not as bad as windows 98.

I kind of see what you're getting at psynth, but there is a flaw in your(otherwise excellent) plan. Unfortunately a computer has to have an OS to run software, otherwise we'd all still be programming in 1's and 0's. So the software you're talking about would need an OS type layer in it anyway.

However, i'm sure that a linux distribution could be compiled that had the bare minimum of crap in it, really optimised for audio, that would be good.

Its a wicked idea though, think you'll get some good ideas brewing in this thread

Also, theres no point, since windows XP or 2000 handles everything perfect without crashing now.

There was a guy here on KvR that was developing some kind of music OS.

Yeah that crazy guy is working on it.
http://www.dashos.com is his site.

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Unfortunately a computer has to have an OS to run software, otherwise we'd all still be programming in 1's and 0's. So the software you're talking about would need an OS type layer in it anyway.

Yes, the thought was that it would be like an light os designed only for daw use, with an built in sequencer/daw in it. example when your computer has booted up what you see is the arrange window or such, NOTHING EXTRA!

weren't there rumours about dashOS and muOS already?

what happened? linux for hw hosts?

Psynth wrote:

Quote: Unfortunately a computer has to have an OS to run software, otherwise we'd all still be programming in 1's and 0's. So the software you're talking about would need an OS type layer in it anyway. Yes, the thought was that it would be like an light os designed only for daw use, with an built in sequencer/daw in it. example when your computer has booted up what you see is the arrange window or such, NOTHING EXTRA!

I still believe that that a linux dist for audio is the way to go then. Imagine all the device drivers you would have to write, or have a closed system with certain hardware.

the new DxB from mackie runs on embedded XP. thats dedicated.....

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Also, theres no point, since windows XP or 2000 handles everything perfect without crashing now.

Yeah I keep wondering why no one seems to notice this.

Psynth wrote:

Okay correct the flaws in this tought:

What if you dont want to have to restart your computer to use a differant program. For example I like to use Cubase and Soundforge.

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Yes, the thought was that it would be like an light os designed only for daw use, with an built in sequencer/daw in it. example when your computer has booted up what you see is the arrange window or such, NOTHING EXTRA!

That the problem, people want EXTRA, and they want choice. Far better just to design a light OS for audio and let people pick their own 3rd party aplications.

I would think the work needed to build and mantain an OS would need a much bigger market than a small set of proprietory applications could provide.

chris

Banjostar wrote:

I still believe that that a linux dist for audio is the way to go then. Imagine all the device drivers you would have to write, or have a closed system with certain hardware.

I wouldnt be suprised if there isnt already a linux distro aimed at audio somwhere.

chris

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Yeah that crazy guy is working on it. http://www.dashos.com is his site.

The Dash OS seems so me as a programmer and many others like... simply put it... Bullshit ?
If he's gonna write his own OS then what about the drivers for every hardware? Will he write them or he expect the companies to write compatible drivers for his OS ?
Do we realy suffer that bad because of windows OS ? How much gain in CPU would be have if there was a replacement for windows ? Do you guys realy think it would be that much ?
The Linux idea sounds interesting, when it'll become reality I'm certainly gonna check it out.
By the way, about the DashOS... If I'm not mistaken he didn't plan it to have VST support, he wanted it to have its own dedicated synths for that OS.
I'm not going to give up on VST.
As Arguru once said, an OS is too much work for a single person to write.
If someone thinks I'm wrong about the drivers issue for the dash OS then I'll be happy to hear your opinion.
( btw, last time I heard he said that project is stopped due to lack of fundings. )

nollock wrote:

Banjostar wrote: I still believe that that a linux dist for audio is the way to go then. Imagine all the device drivers you would have to write, or have a closed system with certain hardware. I wouldnt be suprised if there isnt already a linux distro aimed at audio somwhere. chris

Try Agnula and Turnkey - very much in development, but some people seem to be using them successfully already. Planet CCRMA might also be worth a look, although it is more of an add-on package than a full distribution. I'm sure a Linux Audio OS suitable for non-hackers can't be too far away, though...

Ok, I found the thread about DashOS.

http://www.kvr-vst.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=29323&highlight=dashos

I Wish him good luck if it'll be done, but - it doesn't have VST support so...

doesnt Tracktor have a setting (im sure i tried it once) that allows you to boot into your computer bypassing windows (at least to some degree) and only running Tracktor.

So something like that.

Otherwise you would probably need to have support for computer components, ie motherboards, soundcards etc.

But isnt this kinda what windows longhorn/Gen (Next Gen) is capable of? using Generic driver support

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Ok, I found the thread about DashOS. http://www.kvr-vst.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=29323&highlight=dashos

Oh dear. The guy is completly mad. He realy does not understand the complexity of what he is trying to do. Needless to say he will find out sooner or latter...

chris

We have to wait and see. It's not the easiest thing to do, but I really like that he's trying.

His webpage should be up soon. If it's not we can maybe draw some conclusions

What's wrong with firing up XP opening your sequencer and producing some music.

Poni wrote:

What's wrong with firing up XP opening your sequencer and producing some music.

Nothing.

The developer is off is rocker. Hes going to have to:

A) Code the Operating system.
b) Code the Sequencer.
c) Code the device drivers (which are apparantly simple...and I can tell you, they are not.

I admire his idea. But the dude has SEVERELY underestinated the amount of work involved.

Its a nice dream. But im telling you, thats all it is.

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Oh dear. The guy is completly mad. He realy does not understand the complexity of what he is trying to do. Needless to say he will find out sooner or latter...

do you know his vsts?

clowndog wrote:

Yeah that crazy guy is working on it. http://www.dashos.com is his site.

Not anymore, since we got no support at all from users, only flames telling us that it is impossible to do that we started to get let down. Also, we would need cash to be able to work non-stop for a few months in order to release something like that. Off course, doing with Linux would be much easier, but that was not what we had in mind. Anyway, we left the project and have no plans on doing it anymore.

It is possible, is not that hard, but takes time.

Best Regards, WilliamK

nollock wrote:

Banjostar wrote: Ok, I found the thread about DashOS. http://www.kvr-vst.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=29323&highlight=dashos Oh dear. The guy is completly mad. He realy does not understand the complexity of what he is trying to do. Needless to say he will find out sooner or latter... chris

Ohhh yeah, I'm mad, I'm just the DASHsignature C++/Assembler programer. Is people like you that don't understand a thing, that thinks an OS is so hard to build. Sorry I'm arrogant guys, I'm a very humble person, is just that some programers thinks they are doing rocket-science.

I won't lie, doing such project takes time, but is far from impossible. We just never started since we got no financial support at all. And after some research, we found that only a few people would care for such project, and keeping it alive by itself wouldn't be possible. That's it...

I forgot to mention, XP is so stable and comes with every new computer now, that is just insane to reinvent the wheel. Taking the time we would take for doing the OS and do more VSTs would prove a more stable financial situation for us.

Wk

please don't give up on it William
- prove them wrong

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please don't give up on it William - prove them wrong

I can't, sorry, I'm getting upset with not being able to continue with it. To continue the DashOS project I would have to compromisse my whole life. Right now DASHsignature is doing good, and also keep in mind that is WilliamK+Liqih and I can't left him on the company for DashOS. Also, after thinking hard and seeing peoples comments, I realised that is not worth the try. I would be doing just to shut-up those lame developers, rock scientists! Dohh, is not like you go to the book store and find Asm and C++ books... hehe I even found a complete OS Kernel with code on the Internet, not to mention that Linux has an open Kernel that we could use as a base.

But again, too much work for nothing, a few users would go with it.

Anyway, we are starting something new, another thing, but that doesn't need financial support. Is almost ready, should be out next week. And from this new project, it COULD happen something that no one expects. But I can't say much, and we just have to wait a bit more.

Just a comment, I WON'T DEBATE here, if you have something to say, good for you, I won't debate anymore. I have to work on other more important things. DASHsignature users and clients knows that we do good products, that we are nice people, me and Luigi Felici (Liqih) and that's all I need right now. Life is good.

Wk

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Anyway, we are starting something new, another thing, but that doesn't need financial support. Is almost ready, should be out next week. And from this new project, it COULD happen something that no one expects. But I can't say much, and we just have to wait a bit more.

do you guys remember BeOS......well it was supposed to be an audio OS....but didnt survive......remember if you have an OS you have to have devices that support it and im not talking about audio cards either. (because my delta 1010 has BeOS drivers.. i think!) but things like video cards , serilell controllers.....the more things you dont support the more it becomes a proprietary animal like MAC....so i think ill stick with XP ....the Audio OS would be nice though....just think it has to have the right formula!!

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Ohhh yeah, I'm mad, I'm just the DASHsignature C++/Assembler programer. Is people like you that don't understand a thing, that thinks an OS is so hard to build.

Ive been programing for about 15 years so i think i have a reasonable understanding. And i am not doubting your ability as a programer, i am doubting whether you understand the complexity of what you are trying to do.

A very basic OS may not be dificult to build but what about device drivers and technical suport for 100s of diferant sound cards and midi interfaces?

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Sorry I'm arrogant guys, I'm a very humble person,

If you were humble you would just ignore people like me. It would not bother you.

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is just that some programers thinks they are doing rocket-science.

Thats not true, they just speak from experience.

And what you say you were trying to do was in their opinion a hell of allot harder that what you seemed to think it was.

I personly have my doubts as to whether what you were trying to do and what people thought you were trying to do were the same thing. But you gave very few details other than it would be an OS, so i guese that is unavoidable.

Mabey its just that, what we think of as an OS is diferant from what you mean when you say OS.

chris

Everyone has its right of a point of view. But I won't debate anymore. Over and Out.

Best Regards, WilliamK

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do you know his vsts?

I tried daAlpha2k, didnt do anything for me, sorry,

chris

well WilliamK , what you're basically saying is that building what you've talked about will take too much time and you cant do it due to responsiblity to your working partner in the current company.
So as people said in here, its too complex to build it = it'll take much time and much work for 1 person.
I can only assume according to how it looks from the things you've said that you didn't even start programming a single line of that OS.
You didn't start it but rushed out to open a website and announce it and even asked those who wish of their own free will to donate for that cause.

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I forgot to mention, XP is so stable and comes with every new computer now, that is just insane to reinvent the wheel.

Well, I believe you could have thought about XP being stable before announcing that you're gonna write a new OS = Before you thought of reinventing the wheel as you said.

What if people donated for the OS and you eventually gave it up ?
Anyway, I dont have anything against you, quite the contrary - I got respect for you.
Final conclusion - Such revolutionary plans shouldn't be announced before the project starts.
So this goes to all the kvr people , dont involve things which aren't related towards WilliamK. He talked about a project and gave up on it, I dont know any programmer which haven't done this.
I am also a programmer so I'm talking from experience - It happens to every programmer.
Take for example Arguru, I consider him a genious and he had many projects he started and didn't continue.
For example Renoise , Psycle , Cyberride, and many other things.
Its not the end of the world , me personally I dont think WilliamK would have managed to write it on his own and from scratch, as you can read in his post he even said that unix is an open source OS and he could have used that as the basis.

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I even found a complete OS Kernel with code on the Internet, not to mention that Linux has an open Kernel that we could use as a base. But again, too much work for nothing, a few users would go with it.

Using unix isn't writing your own OS and had you said something like that to begin with people would have been less doubtfull about it.
Anyway people, lets end this.
William is a good guy, lets leave this subject, its history.

lets mod an xbox to a DAW =)
it's kernel is i think 500k small...

eLy wrote:

lets mod an xbox to a DAW =) it's kernel is i think 500k small...

some people got linux running on the XBOX.

chris

BeOS was awesome. I wish it was still around

smart wrote:

BeOS was awesome. I wish it was still around

I though some folks were doing an open source beos, dunno if it got going or not...

chris