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Posted: 17th August 2001 03:13

Hello everyone here..

First time caller, long time listening!

My question is about bassline synths. I have used the PPD Tritium in alot of songs I have done but the sound is getting tired to me. I was wondering if anyone noticed the cutoff parameter non sensitive to changes or the lack of possible variations in this control?

I have tried TBL and Tau and they sound fine but I prefer the Tritium.

2nd question: Has anypne heard anything about PPD? They were supposed to release a Piano VSTi and I never seen it (just wondering if they gave up after the release of mda Piano)

I finally got tired of not participating in this forum after checking this site everyday for the last 8-10 months. I just want to say thanks to Ben @ KVR for his work here.

Check out some of my music, I have two songs that reached #1 earlier this year.
www.mp3.com/tenthconcept

Ben, can you move this to instrument discussion please?

[ 17 August 2001: Message edited by: One Man Gang ]

dusted william

Posted: 17th August 2001 03:27

I chekc this site every day as well. As far as bass goes I prefer the tau pro. At first I did not like it, but it is sooo good for that ultra low bass sound that I love. Tritium is cool to, I take a squirly sound from the tri, and mathc it up with the tau, for a nice fat bass.
dw

tur1sm02

Posted: 17th August 2001 05:20

For me the WASP synth by sonic syndicate has some juicy basses. The sub bass nearly kills my monitors

Michael Kleps from reFX

Posted: 17th August 2001 05:21

Hi One Man Gang,

one stupid question : Why do you prefer the Tritium (which is fine, no problem) above TBL? I just have to know so I might improve my product.

Amnesty

Posted: 17th August 2001 11:02

Concerning your stupid question (as you said) Michael Kleps. Have you ever compared the price for your commercial TBL and the free Tritium ? Even though TBL has some great features, no doubt, but representing just another monobass, it's too expensive. (personal view)

kevvvvv

Posted: 17th August 2001 12:17

tauprotauprotauprotaupro ...

Michael Kleps from reFX

Posted: 17th August 2001 15:13

@Amnesty : Preferences have nothing to do with the affordability.

If I should have missunderstood "One Man Gang" I apologize, but I thought he meant he 'prefered' Tritium although he might possibly use another.

I feel it very disturbing when I see reviews of instruments and then it goes like : "It's much better than the other one, but the other one is free, so this sucks, I give it 1/5". Quality has *NOTHING* to do with the price or would you also say a Beetle is better then a Ferrari because the Beetle is cheaper?

Crossinger

Posted: 17th August 2001 15:23

quote:
Originally posted by Michael Kleps from reFX:
Quality has *NOTHING* to do with the price or would you also say a Beetle is better then a Ferrari because the Beetle is cheaper?

Well, if you adore the trash-culture, then this is the rule...

But honestly: I thought about buying TBL, but then Tau Pro was announced, which - without doubt - offers much more for nearly the same money. And it sounds FATTTTTTT, too!

Michael Kleps from reFX

Posted: 17th August 2001 16:02

That's OK with me. I like choices and competition. I still think that TBL has it's place, side by side with TauPro.

Greyscales

Posted: 17th August 2001 18:11

Well,i bought the TBL some time ago,and i love it,i also bought the Tau Pro...and i love it too....but for different reason.I dont use the Tritium although its Freeware.....so you may ask why i dont use it?....because i dont like the sound of Tritium.
So its all a matter of personal taste,some people like this some people like that...thats real live

and i have really no problem with paying for a product that i like.

By the way....i dont care if one of this Bassline Synths Sounds like the original 303...if you want original 303 Sounds,buy yourself one,and i know,this Synth is not cheap

Even Rebirth doesn´t sound like the Original......ever heard one?
I have

peace
Greyscales

PS @Michael from reFX...will i get the TBL Udate 1.5 via Mail or is it possible to download?

Pepe

Posted: 17th August 2001 20:14

My music is a bit like "wall of sound". I can't get enough sounds in an arrangement, but Cubase offers only eight slots for VSTis! Well, using one TBL in one slot you get 4 good synths with different sounds. Tau Pro is also in the rack, of course...

Pepe

DHS

Posted: 17th August 2001 21:02

Hi all,

Sorry but I can't agree; while Tritium is a good VSTi and sounds right it's _far_ from being a TB emulation. Closer is the free TAU (I didn't tried tau pro), the better one, for this aspect, is without doubt TBL.
Yes, it's the only "not for free" of the bunch (excluding TauPro), but hey, it has a real 303 feeling and more than this. While you can make really torture and make it scream with full pleasure you can also obtain more quiet and rich sounds.
TBL "richness" is far more intriguing than the other two.

Cheers.

PARALiSYS

Posted: 17th August 2001 21:55

For what it's worth -

I have just run a direct comparison between Tritium, TBL and a ReBirth 303.

Using the same settings for each - all were dry.

ReBirth - in my opinion gave the best actual 303 emulation
Tritium - sounded too thin and squeaky
TBL - was the fattest sound, but lost clarity when cutoff or decay went above 50% whereas Rebirth would retain more clarity.

TBL is definitely the more versatile as a synth, but imo rebirth is still the better emulator.

Colin.

tenth

Posted: 18th August 2001 00:33

Thanks for all the response so far everyone.

I guess what I was asking was kinda confusing.

Micheal -> I guess I prefer the Tritium because of the sound and price, and thats just my opinion. I cant dial in the low sounds im looking for with the TBL. I love TBL's interface, and maybe I need to just spend a little more time with the TBL. Dont get me wrong, I dont think that there is anything wrong with the TBL, it's just that I work with rap, hip-hop and R&B so im looking for a lower sound with less oscillation, not the Acid and House squeekish kinda sound.

Make sense anyone?

I just think that the cutoff in Tritium is really to thin (variation)...

OMG www.mp3.com/tenthconcept

tenth

Posted: 18th August 2001 01:11

Micheal: I have just played around with the TBL for about 20-30 mins and I was trying to dial in some of the same sounds as the Tritium, and I noticed a couple things that were odd to me:

1) The Tritum only has the choice of two different waveforms, and the TBL has several. I dont know if it is just your graphic on the TBL but you cant even get the same waveform as the Tritium. I believe it is the triangle wave, the TBL and Tritium are opposite on the graphic. Could you explain this?

2) When I adjust the port speed on the TBL it moves the Cutoff knob of the Tritium. Why is this? I been using Cubase for a while but couldnt figure this one out, my guess is controlchange number 74............

OMG www.mp3.com/tenthconcept

exponent

Posted: 18th August 2001 05:03

The SCORPION synth of sonic syndicate would be good for producing the fat type of sounds you are talking about i think,

i'm not exactly sure what you mean but if you are talking solely about subbass then you're going to want to get a synth(s) that has(ve) either sine or triangle waves avalible if you're looking for just really clean bass waves...

the thing i like by the way about all of these synths sound: tau, taupro, tritium, TBL (4 parts) is their portamento/slide/glide features! and they all sound good in my ears and each one unique!

THAT is how they are all like 303's. SEE because they are quirky and sound differant, even differant than waht they were suppoused to emulate (Just as was the case with the origonal 303(/606), which was laughed off and ALMOST ALL PRODUCTS SAT ON RETAIL SHELVED UNITIL THEY WERE MARKED DOWN 1000%..(as im sure most of you already know) then poor musicians discovered the organic properties of this thing that the stuffy musicians of the time rejected since it wasnt a "bass guitar" sound, too electronic.. which is KINDOF WHAT everyone's saying now.. "sounds too DIGITAL, etc.." instead of just using what's avalible and trying to be creative ((AKA some of us now

))

they might not sound "analog" but they have the same mutating ablilities just in a more sterile enviornment it IS only a matter of choice, but i can see why you would prefer the tritium more for hip hop especially if you're using it for one of those portamento lead bass synth voices(know what i mean? it's portamento is funky!) It's not that bad. Really

Just remember some of the coolest electronic instruments were almost accidents, r&d gone "bad"... marketing flops for the company.. it's all in how you look at it i think

[ 18 August 2001: Message edited by: exponent ]

Michael Kleps from reFX

Posted: 18th August 2001 05:36

quote:
Originally posted by One Man Gang:
Micheal: I have just played around with the TBL for about 20-30 mins and I was trying to dial in some of the same sounds as the Tritium, and I noticed a couple things that were odd to me:

1) The Tritum only has the choice of two different waveforms, and the TBL has several. I dont know if it is just your graphic on the TBL but you cant even get the same waveform as the Tritium. I believe it is the triangle wave, the TBL and Tritium are opposite on the graphic. Could you explain this?

There are five different waveforms TBL uses and with the knob you mention you can morph between them. Tritium only has sawtooth and square (like the real 303). When you want TBL to play a sawtooth, hold Ctrl and click on the Waveform knob. This will reset it to the exact middle position which is the Sawtooth. Send me in your Tritium patch you can't get with TBL and I will see what I can do.

quote:
2) When I adjust the port speed on the TBL it moves the Cutoff knob of the Tritium. Why is this? I been using Cubase for a while but couldnt figure this one out, my guess is controlchange number 74............

This is because when you turn knobs on TBL the controller-messages are send back to the host for easy recording and editing. Tritium seems to react to these changes. To avoid Tritium noticing it, simply select an empty track or the one where TBL is located. When you select the same track that TBL is using, it receives it's own controller-messages, which does no harm.

Please send in your Tritium-preset so I can hear what you need and possibly enhance TBL.

Thanks,
Mike

[ 18 August 2001: Message edited by: Michael Kleps from reFX ]

exponent

Posted: 18th August 2001 06:00

I just remembered the Mysteron ... it's a free vsti emulation of a theramin, and can produce sub bass as well as some unique leads.. it's a nice utilitarian synth for low bass and it's FREE i assume most of you already have it? haha

Mysteron lurks

[ 18 August 2001: Message edited by: exponent ]

Pepe

Posted: 18th August 2001 12:41

I know, this forum is about VSTi and we can discuss about tech features for weeks and months... well, it's fun

!

But I always ask myself, what worth is a VSTi in a musical sense? Next question: How is the usability in a environment with other VSTis? In an earlier posting I said, that Cubase is offering only eight slots for VSTis. Please, don't missunderstand me, I love Tau Pro, but TBL should be definatly the first choice because it has the biggest potential when you'de like to make MUSIC.

Yes, I love Bass-Layers, and no, my lyrics are not in English

Pepe

kevvvvv

Posted: 18th August 2001 15:52

For me a bass synth needs to have two oscillators (and a bloody good filter) for it to turn me on.

For that matter so does any synth if it's going to sound good.

I wonder that Michael doesn't take this route. After listening to the quadrasid demos, it's obvious he's very switched on. These are great dems.

Why stop at a single osc synth?

I wouldn't mind a second tau pro. And I'd pay another 30 bucks if it was as good, and as different.

Over to you, Michael. QuadraBass?

tenth

Posted: 18th August 2001 18:27

Micheal: I am using the factory bank of the Tritium. The Low Bass patch. I will send you a preset tommorow sometime. Thanks very much for your response along with everyone else on this.

This is what I mean support!

Also: Although I have tried the demo version of the QS6581 and I love it. I was a C=64 guy myself, got my first one in 1985. I always wanted to make a C=64 song and QS6581 is really great.

OMG www.mp3.com/tenthconcept

Has anyone checked out any of my songs? What do you think?

Uncle E

Posted: 18th August 2001 22:52

Quadrasid is great & definitely has mean leaning toward ReFX for anything.

Kevvvvv, you might find that you'll get better results in a mix by using single-oscillator basses. They don't sound as good by themselves, I agree, but they're better for providing support for the rest of the sounds without detracting from their impact. Part of the reason why the dx100 & microwave are such great bass synths is because they're so digital &, thus, accurate.

Patrick de Caumette

Posted: 19th August 2001 16:09

One really good synth for sub bass frequency and kick ass attack is Triangle I. i have Tau Pro, real nice but couldn't get the type of bass i was looking for in some of my R'n'B tunes. Triangle is free also.

Uncle E

Posted: 19th August 2001 18:22

It's too bad you don't use Pulsar, I've got a ton of patches made for it including jd800, mks-80, & virus emulations. But I like this challenge, I'm going to take some time to figure out which is the best freeware VSTi & will post some patches for it soon!

Michael Kleps from reFX

Posted: 19th August 2001 19:03

quote:
Originally posted by kevvvvv:
For me a bass synth needs to have two oscillators (and a bloody good filter) for it to turn me on.

Then why not go ahead and use QuadraSID in unision mode for even three oscillators?

brittnell

Posted: 19th August 2001 19:14

OT... but since I got you on the line...

Michael, have you started sending out the QuadraSid 1.3 updates?

Thanks,

Brittnell

Michael Kleps from reFX

Posted: 19th August 2001 19:18

Yes, I have. But only to people who suffer from the bug that was fixed. If you bought it before a certain date, you've got the 'old' 1.2 and that version does not suffer from the bug. 1.4 is around the corner now and that will be an update *everybody* will get and is worth wating for. For more information visit plan.quadraSID.com and read about the changes...

brittnell

Posted: 19th August 2001 19:21

Thanks for the info... Now you've got me fiending for 1.4!

Brittnell

Michael Kleps from reFX

Posted: 19th August 2001 19:28

quote:
Originally posted by One Man Gang:
Micheal: I am using the factory bank of the Tritium. The Low Bass patch. I will send you a preset tommorow sometime. Thanks very much for your response along with everyone else on this.

I just played around with the settings a bit a got a quite similar sound. You basicly copy the settings, except the resonance which you turn down a lot with TBL to take the edge out of TBL's sound. This way I got a deep, low bass that sounded a lot more pleasing than the Tritium one.

quote
Quote:
This is what I mean support!

Speaking about support... In one of your last messages you mentioned that when you turn the portamento-speed knob, the Tritium changed it's cutoff which only happens when TBL sends out the controller-messages to the host, which in turn only the full version of TBL does... You also mentioned that you played around with it for 20-30 minutes, but the demo only works for 15 before going silent. I realized all this *after* I wrote the answers and tried to fiddle with Tritium and... Could you now support me and register your version of TBL, please?

kevvvvv

Posted: 19th August 2001 21:02

Uncle E ... you're right in one way.

But after years of single osc I got fed up (Rebirth!!!).

And most of my basses tend to be on the low side, rather than squelchy, so they're less troublesome to mix (see my Tau Pro bank ... almost all low).

QuadraBass or another Tau Pro competitor would still be nice to have. Very few synths have had such an instant impact on my music as TP, and I'd like more.

How about you? Has any bass synth turned you round in recent months? Tell us, share a bank.

tenth

Posted: 20th August 2001 02:29

quote
Quote:
Speaking about support... In one of your last messages you mentioned that when you turn the portamento-speed knob, the Tritium changed it's cutoff which only happens when TBL sends out the controller-messages to the host, which in turn only the full version of TBL does... You also mentioned that you played around with it for 20-30 minutes, but the demo only works for 15 before going silent. I realized all this *after* I wrote the answers and tried to fiddle with Tritium and... Could you now support me and register your version of TBL, please?

Michael: Come on man! I DO HAVE a demo version of the TBL (version 1.2) and when I said that I played around with it for 20 - 30 mins that was an aproximate time. If you are trying to accuse me of using unregistered software shame on you! I think you should try your test again... I am not a MIDI expert but this is what I did:

In Cubase, when you have a MIDI track with Tritum on one channel and TBL DEMO 1.2 on another track and channel, select the Tritium midi track as if you were going to record something on that track. Minimize your arrangement where you have both VSTi's in sight. Highlight the TBL DEMO and turn the port speed knob and the Tritium's cutoff knob starts moving, NO BS!! Anyone on this forum try and do this.

If you want to rag on me for using something that I havent registered try these items...

TM-D1000 Mixer...purchased at Gutair Center MAR 2000 havent sent the card in yet.
same for my PCI-822, Alesis M1 actives, my RM1x, hell even my new microwave and my toaster. Microphones. etc...etc...etc

tenth

Posted: 20th August 2001 14:47

Ok, who is the sour person who rated me a one star? That sucks...

Pepe

Posted: 20th August 2001 16:02

Hi One Man Gang

I give you a five star rating, just done. If someone is posting his personal non-mainstream oppinion he risks to get a one star rating. This is OK but also really annoying, unless we can see WHO's rating and WHY.

Don't ask me why I got a five star (just one vote). Yeah, like this it's fun, but I also would like to know the WHO and the WHY. Maybe we should start a new topic in Chit Chat about this.

Pepe

kevvvvv

Posted: 20th August 2001 18:06

Michael-about-six-threads-ago,

QuadraSID looks daunting, even if the demos are great ... and Tau Pro is only $30 ... mucho affordable.

Why not try to cash in on an obvious market niche (superior quality low cost bass synth), and give Muon a challenge?

Michael Kleps from reFX

Posted: 21st August 2001 15:39

quote:
Originally posted by One Man Gang:
Michael: Come on man! I DO HAVE a demo version of the TBL (version 1.2) and when I said that I played around with it for 20 - 30 mins that was an aproximate time. If you are trying to accuse me of using unregistered software shame on you! I think you should try your test again... I am not a MIDI expert but this is what I did:

In Cubase, when you have a MIDI track with Tritum on one channel and TBL DEMO 1.2 on another track and channel, select the Tritium midi track as if you were going to record something on that track. Minimize your arrangement where you have both VSTi's in sight. Highlight the TBL DEMO and turn the port speed knob and the Tritium's cutoff knob starts moving, NO BS!! Anyone on this forum try and do this.

@One Man Gang : Send me this DEMO version you have, and if it's really a demo version from my website, which behaves as you describe, I'll be more than happy to grant you a full license including all future updates.

Michael Kleps from reFX

Posted: 21st August 2001 15:46

quote:
Originally posted by kevvvvv:
QuadraSID looks daunting, even if the demos are great ... and Tau Pro is only $30 ... mucho affordable.

Why not try to cash in on an obvious market niche (superior quality low cost bass synth), and give Muon a challenge?

What exactly do you propose? A new bass-synth?

kevvvvv

Posted: 21st August 2001 21:37

Absolutely.

Dave Waugh at Muon proved to the market that two decent oscillators and a classy filter makes for a winner at pocket money prices.

He's probably sold thousands of them by now, and still going strong. The bass market is big.

I'm sure we'd all like another ... but different ... sounding different ... and still quick to programme.

I thought of you because QuadraSid sounds different (and v good) but hasn't quite got what it takes to be a market leader.

Dave had the same problem with the Electron. It was always overshadowed by the Pro-52, even though Electron was very good. And the $70 price tag was just a shade more than a pocket money spend.

So he created Tau Pro (with collaboration for the overdrive).

Voila!

The whole concept is ripe for plucking by an enterprising designer with something seriously new to offer.

Michael Kleps from reFX

Posted: 21st August 2001 21:48

Hi Kevvvv,

I don't know... Do you really think that Dave sold thousands of copies? How many do you think I've sold from QuadraSID, or TBL? Just mail me your guesses and I'll do the reality check.

Banksey

Posted: 21st August 2001 21:56

TBL,Tritium,303,rebirth..who gives a

As long as your tune rocks does it really matter?

By the time you finish twiddling with your knob the next man has just released a killer tune using any of the 4 above and i can honestly say i wouldnt put the tune down because my trainspotter trade ear has picked up that the artist is using freeware or whatever, if i could tell what he was using i wouldn't stop raving my nuts off!

I suggest you only post something here if the product really sucks bad and maybe the author of the product wanted the bassline to stand out? I just like to see someone stop dancing in the middle of the dance floor saying "my god is that the Tritium bassline freeware, i must stop dancing coz that synth sucks!"

Uncle E

Posted: 21st August 2001 22:54

Kevvvvv, Michael's already doing the TBL, "The Bass Line", for $25, what more could you ask for? What's funny is that much the Tau Pro's success is probably much due to that awful freeware Tau, guess he fooled 'em.

Banksey, you're absolutely correct about what the kids want to hear but you're forgetting that a lot of this is about inspiration, the sound of one instrument might have a particular vibe over another that'll inspire the writer even though it's not something that some nutter on the dance floor will ever pick up. Anyway, such a vibe is completely personal & totally worthless to talk about here, all I know is that I ain't buying something w/o a demo.

realmarco

Posted: 21st August 2001 23:23

quote:
Originally posted by Uncle E:
[QB]Kevvvvv, Michael's already doing the TBL, "The Bass Line", for $25, what more could you ask for? What's funny is that much the Tau Pro's success is probably much due to that awful freeware Tau, guess he fooled 'em.

QB]

I think the Tau and Taupro are not to emulate exactly how a 303 sounds like.

I think its more like what it SHOULD sound like

Jakebhoy

Posted: 22nd August 2001 00:12

A little off topic this..........
Kevvvv, I think one of the problems with the electron v pro 5 had alot to do with the presets!
(Im only talking about novices such as myself) I love the pro 5 as the range of presets really gives me a chance to learn how synths work and as a starting point when constructing my own sounds.
When I saw the electron with 3 oscilators I really was looking forward to it.
I downloaded the demo and played around with but was left completely underwhelmed by the presets.
They gave me the impression that the sound quality was inferior to that of the pro 5.
Of course I could be completely wrong about this but it is the impression I was left with!
I dont mind paying more if the quality is good, with that in mind maybe the guy behind Moum could fork out to get a pro sound designer in and probable still make through increased sales?
.......just a thought!

I have Tau Pro and love it!

Muon Software Ltd

Posted: 22nd August 2001 17:54

Kevvvv - I do wish we'd sold thousands of copies, I really do. The market is far smaller than you'd imagine though, if you sell more than a couple of hundred you have a runaway success on your hands.

Jakebhoy - Sorry to hear you didn't like the original 32 Electron presets. The new demo version includes quite a lot more, three more banks worth in fact. Don't forget that Electron was rated 4th best out of *all* VST synths in Future Music magazine, and scored no less than 9 out of 10 in a Computer Music magazine group test and came second. Maybe worth trying again? I hope so.

You can also get Electron for just $50 - mail me to find out how at service@muon-software.com

kevvvvv

Posted: 22nd August 2001 18:34

It's tragic that superb developers such as we all know here cannot do more than scratch a living, especially as the hardware Big Boys continue to get richer.

Here's a little maths. Think it through:

A 1/4 page ad in, say, Sound on Sound, costs around $500 per month. Over three months this is a $1500 cost (and prob an bank overdraft). And probably a free review article.

For, say, Electron (or any other $70 region synth), this equates to getting 100 additional sales on the web, to cover advertising costs, overheads, bank interest on loan etc.

That's the break even figure. Any extra sales sales over 100 are much needed profit to provide a living wage.

Is this bad math? Is it a path to overdraft hell? Is it too much of a gamble?

I would be interested to know what designers think of this financial model.

Bear in mind the softsynth marketplace is more established than 1 or 2 years ago, and more trusted by musos.

Also: There have never been more bands or musos (or soundblaster owners) in the whole history of the world. Surely there is a large untapped market out there who just aren't aware of the music possibilities in the PC.

Banksey

Posted: 23rd August 2001 19:14

The reason's I opted for dumping my hardware and i had a lot!

1) you would buy a jv1080 say..then next week a 2080 would come out or sumin like that.

2) I could do almost everything on pc's which i used to do on my akai's and I am a sample heads guys

3) Which should really go under reason two is that "gezzzus, they decided to bring a decent sampler out with sample tuning!!!!!!<---steinberg actually thought one day that people dont just multi track..idiots he he

4) Well it's obvious the cost difference.

Oh yeah and I mentioned in my early post that people may prefer a certain sound form a bassline synth.. which is all good as long as they dont switch it on and say "that will do" but i'm way too lazy, hehehehe

Ok I know how to make the sound i'm looking for, but I really need to save time here guys..so which one blows the s**t out of your speakers and sends the cat packing?

tufif

Posted: 23rd August 2001 19:49

I've been reading this thread, and decided to try some of these synths out. I've never seen a 303, and while I'm sure I must have heard them on tons of recordings, I've never known that's what it was. About the closest I've ever come to playing with a 303ish synth is the bazzline synth in the orion pro demo (I still gotta get around to buying that thing), but I didn't really know what it was for, so I didn't get much out of it.
Anyway, I loaded up the free tau synth that I'd downloaded before and started fooling around with it, then I threw a couple more synths on top and had a decent groove going on. I read everyone on here talking about the tritium, so I downloaded that one and tried it too. I put in the same settings from the tau patch I was using, but when I A/B'ed them, the tau just sounded bigger. I asked my roommate for his opinion, and he liked the tau better too (he's as clueless about 303s as I am).
So, maybe if you find a cool patch on one 303ish synth, then it only sounds right on that synth? I dunno, I checked out the mp3s of the refx one too, and that sounded really cool.
Are there certain things that make one 303 sound be considered better or worse than another?
I know, I'm rambling, but I'm staying late at work to wait on the delivery guy, and I'm bored

Michael Kleps from reFX

Posted: 23rd August 2001 20:09

Problem is that due to the 303's nature you can't emulate it 100%. So everybody tries to come as close as possible, tweaking here, tweaking there and I threw in a couple of new features the original 303 doesn't have to make it more useable for real productions. Another thing is that a 'proper' 303 emulation is a subjective thing. I consider ReBirth's emulation the closest to the real thing, other people see it differently. You shouldn't bother. Download the demos (there is a timelimited demo on the refx website) and play with them. Buy/use the one you like best.

Uncle E

Posted: 23rd August 2001 21:23

quote:
Originally posted by kevvvvv:
It's tragic that superb developers such as we all know here cannot do more than scratch a living, especially as the hardware Big Boys continue to get richer.

It'd be nice to think that this is still an expanding market & that people like Muon & ReFX will be given more credibility for having been around a while. That Novation Reason controller that's coming out oughtta do a lot to open up people to softsynths, has anyone thought of adopting their controller assignments so that their products will also be compatible w/ this keyboard? That really will be damn close to the final step, where there really won't be a difference between hardware & software.

The big hardware guys aren't doing all that well either, though, look at poor Alesis. Electrix have stopped making everything except the Repeater, they can't afford to do anything else. And if you've visited Zzounds lately, you'll surely have noticed all the Roland specials getting blown out.

brittnell

Posted: 23rd August 2001 22:19

Since a lot of people seem to think that the Rebirth bassline (303 emulation) is "da bomb", can anyone tell me why they haven't considered releasing a VSTi of just that element (seperate from the Rebirth package)? Maybe they have, and I'm just unaware of it...

It seems like they'd have an instant market for it. Then again, they probably want people to buy the whole cow, not just the milk.

Just curious,

Brittnell

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