listen up....all ye virtual synth programmers

I had a vision....playing retro hits from the 80s on a lurvely Roland Jupiter 8 vsti instrument within my vst host with all the original synth patches........what a dream....they did it the the prophet 5, minimoog and ppg wave, why not a roland jupiter 8?
I think if enough people replied im sure programmers will listen.
Has to be original though, no make believes(based on sound samples)...whats this forum think then...are you in???

Zas

new mix music

sure I hope all the classic synths get modeled...but hold on a second, somebody needs to do a great Triton model first. I'd pay top dollar for that...almost as much as the real thing.

-david abraham

[ 21 August 2001: Message edited by: David Abraham Fenton ]

Cool

I would love to see a Jup-8 vsti, but I think some available vsti's are allready capable of some jupiter-like sounds (the Muon Electron comes to mind).

But to be able to use existing Jupiter 8 patches a closely modelled vsti (like they did with the Pro52) would be a killer

Im all for it, but it'd have to be a living breathing product, like the pro52 has become, for example.
The more a product is refined, optimised and suppourted
the more it becomes a legit useable instrument. (in best case scenarios of course)

The first thing on the agenda? would be getting the sound "authentic" and yeah a nice 3-d modelled interface with the primary colored roland-style buttons would all be nice to work with.

If executed properly it could be a very succcesful product. But not if it's just a novelty. And as lotuz points out you can find a similar sounds in some existing instruments... Next the arp 2600 vsti!!!?? hehehe

This is the next BIG thing: http://www.rgcaudio.com/Pentagon_I.htm!

Any questions?

Pepe

Arp 2600, that would be really cool!

I would be satisfied with a CS80 or a jupiter 8 as well

/David

Hey Exponent, I dont see Lotuz in this thread (yet) so I think you meant me

Thinking back to my favorit synths of days gone by, I always drooled over the PPG and the Prophet 5, the Jupiter 8, MemoryMoog and the mother of phat synthstrings: the Oberheim OB-Xa. As im working on a MemoryMoog in Sync Modular, I only need the pro plugin developers to get me a jup8 and a Ob-Xa

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Arp 2600, that would be really cool!
I would be satisfied with a CS80 or a jupiter 8 as well

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I definitely gotta second that ARP 2600 to go along with the JP-8!!

Ooooh, a VSTi CS80...sweet! Instant Eddie Jobson/UK: I can already feel my fingers reaching for the keys to play "In The Dead Of Night" or "Alaska"....aaah, the memories...

--Har

[ 23 August 2001: Message edited by: Har ]

Hey Lotuz, seems we Dutch all look alike

...hehehe, but as I said, you where not YET in this thread... e voila

Where's this thread's exit?

Hey Pepe,
your link contained one "!" to much. The right link is http://www.rgcaudio.com/Pentagon_I.htm . Sorry for being that exact

greetZ ANdreas

[ 23 August 2001: Message edited by: Cubaseuser ]

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Dutch people are all the same.

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huh? What's wrong with me?

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Where's this thread's exit?

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Got to the top of the screen, then go left until you're above a icon with a cross. Click on you're left button, and you're gone


Dash did a Jupiter 8 for Reaktor: http://www.dash-site.com/synths/jupitar8.htm

[ 23 August 2001: Message edited by: Dumb Ass Durruk ]

haha sorry peter (lotuz), guess i was reading the threads a bit hastily that day huh? Must've just read one of lotuz's posts or somthing.. you ARE both quite knowledgable posters.. haha trust me i do know the differance tho


Never thought of a cs-80, but that would also make a lot of sense, seeing how it weighs as much as a pa system, and costs almost as much as 2600... even cs50's are expensive *compared to average vsti prices*

Peter if we're going into oberheim territory how about the matrix 12, the ob-8 or (pair this one with the "2600 vsti") the expander? None of these synths can reliably be had in true working order for under 700$ (or almost twice as much if you want cs80, 2600, matrix12, expander) , so any accurate repesentation of them in vsti would be fun, inspiring, and probobly very useful to some, as all the synths we're mentioning have a individual "sound" or "sound pallate" that's able to be pinned down somewhat..

Any of these synths that have been mentioned would take a fair measure of commitment from the developer, as i mentioned before.

This leaves me guessing that companies like native instruments, tc electronic, or waldorf/steinberg would be the most likly contenders.. im not saying i dont believe in the independent software houses, in fact inch for inch the talent is booming there!! it's just you would likly need a sizeable budget/time to emulate an instrument if you're serious about it (i.e. not just slapping a vintage interface on a synth that is already in your code library in bits and pieces?)

Honestly i would appreciate ANYTHING decent that comes out, and i usually do. But more isnt always better, since it can lead to the "there's already a virtual jupiter8" phenomenon, which you dont want to see unless the synth actually SOUNDS kinda like a jupiter8..

Also we dont want developers to stop experimenting with weird new synth arhitechtures in the meantime.

If i had the choice there would be a few companies/developers JUST devoted to creating nearly hardware accurate clones in vsti format, all with stand alone players for patch programming like in the pro52...

Another thing that i think would be cool for vst (FX)plugins is a pack that is all "accurate" recreations of famous vintage pedal processors.. ie electroharmonics basssynth/minisynthesizer, electric mistress flanger, big muff pedal, rat distortion, etc
probobly just as tough to do, and just an idea.

Or AMP/speaker cabinet simulators, that are preamp models of dozens of specific types of amps in one plugin .. like the hardware pod/podpro with blackface fender, tweed, brit stack, etc.. all with fully programmable and automated interfaces. Now don't go thinking that this would only be for guitar work, no way. The hardware preamp units can be used creatively on any input stream, so could this type of plugin.. i mean i'm sure it's possible.. the models in the hardware units are fully digital anyway.

Maybe im looking too deep into small things, but it cant hurt huh?

Hey Exponent, I think you should go out more!

-only joking!.

Back to our topic:

What about a VSTi of the Omega 8 or ATC-1 by Studio Electronics with a Filter Selector. So we would have an ARP 2600-, an Oberheim-, a Moog- and a TB 303-Filter(maybe some other Filters could be added).

greetZ ANdreas

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Peter if we're going into oberheim territory how about the matrix 12

Nice to see someone second my opinion. The Matrix would be incredible to have as VSTi, but it would be a very serious undertaking to code such a beast. But thinking of the modulation matrix in the LinPlug synths, I think Peter from LinPlug could pull it off.

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Any of these synths that have been mentioned would take a fair measure of commitment from the developer

I agree, building the MemoryMoog in Sync is already an immense task. Especially as I'm going to release it with the 100 factory presets that came with the real thing so it's sound has to be dead on and not just "sound almost like".

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This leaves me guessing that companies like native instruments, tc electronic, or waldorf/steinberg would be the most likly contenders..

I think native instruments are the most capable because they have the technology and knowledge to re-create existing synths, but the DX-G comes to mind, a very accurate re-creation of a DX7 completely done in Sync Modular by a non-commercial developer. It even loads the sysex patches from my real DX7.
As for Waldorf, they did the PPG just because they own the native PPG technology (and used it in several hardware synths too).

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Also we dont want developers to stop experimenting with weird new synth arhitechtures in the meantime.

I agree, but the thing with vintage emulations is that the old-skool musicians like me can throw all their (mine) existing knowledge at them for programming sounds

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Or AMP/speaker cabinet simulators, that are preamp models of dozens of specific types of amps in one plugin ..

How about ReValver from Alien Connection.