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AuthorTopic: RM III, what do you think about it?
Lotuz
Posted: 22nd August 2001 06:22
I know the public beta version has been available for only a couple of days, but still there's hardly any talk about the RM III on the Forums that I visit. There must be quite a lot of RM 2 users out there that should be interested in the RM III. Or has anyone switched to Battery or DR-008? I also have Battery, but it's very likely that the RM III will become my main drum sampler.

[ 22 August 2001: Message edited by: Lotuz ]
Pepe
Posted: 22nd August 2001 07:14
I switched from LM-4 to DR-008, because it's the most universal drum module on the market. There's all you need in that fantastic tool, absolutely great sample and synth modules. Hard to compete.

Is there any life after DR-008?

Oh, well, if you "only" need a sample player, RM III will be great... I'm sure... it's from LinPlug


Pepe
Uncle E
Posted: 22nd August 2001 07:20
What don't you like about Battery that the RMIII does better? I like the simplicity of Loopazoid so it's something I've been planning to step up to, would you suggest holding out?

One problem I have w/ most VSTi's but with the drum samplers in particular (due my anal retentive need to have extreme precision when tuning drums) is their lack of quick key support, does either Battery or RM allow you to adjust parameters with the cursor/pg keys?
Uncle E
Posted: 22nd August 2001 07:30
While I'm pestering you, does Battery's loop mode automatically pitch the loops to make them fit the tempo? Is there any VSTi that can do that yet?

Sad to admit, I've been waiting for the mixman VSTi to come out just for this one, great feature.
brittnell
Posted: 22nd August 2001 08:06
Hey there,

I'm a RM-II user who's DEFINITELY interested in the RM-III. It's just that I don't have the time right now to beta-test properly, so I feel I should pass. On top of that, the 1 second noise every 12 seconds means I couldn't use it in any "real" compositions (which are the focus of any free time I can scrounge up).

Cheers,

Brittnell
Lotuz
Posted: 22nd August 2001 08:08
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What don't you like about Battery that the RMIII does better? I like the simplicity of Loopazoid so it's something I've been planning to step up to, would you suggest holding out?


Battery is a logical step if you're already working with Loopazoid. And in general it's more powerful than the RM III. But I need a drum sampler that allows me to browse through my samples easily and quickly while playing the beat so that I can choose the sample that fits the beat best. That's the way I used to work with my Akai S2000 sampler and that's what I really missed in all VST drum sampler so far. The RM III has this function. Battery doesn't have this function.

The RM III also has a velocity controlled LP filter that Battery doesn't have. This is a nice feature if you want to add some variation to the sound if you don't have various samples to create a velocity layer.

The RM III's GUI is much more appealing to me. First of all it does look and feel like a real drum machine to me. I like the possibilities of software, but I still want it to keep the hardware feeling. It's easy and intuitive to use and like Peter mentions on his site, it doesn't fill my entire screen like Battery does. Perhaps software developers think that we all have two 19" monitors, but I still have only one 17" monitor.

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While I'm pestering you, does Battery's loop mode automatically pitch the loops to make them fit the tempo? Is there any VSTi that can do that yet?


I know Ruction can do that, although it only changes the pitch. It doesn't timestretch.
Lotuz
Posted: 22nd August 2001 08:14
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I'm a RM-II user who's DEFINITELY interested in the RM-III. It's just that I don't have the time right now to beta-test properly, so I feel I should pass. On top of that, the 1 second noise every 12 seconds means I couldn't use it in any "real" compositions (which are the focus of any free time I can scrounge up).


I understand, but what you could try once or twice is to take a finished song that you've made with the RM 2 and replace the RM 2 with the RM III. Just to see if it all sounds and functions well.
dusted william
Posted: 22nd August 2001 10:20
I love RM3, I think that it needs only one thing to open it up to the mass market and that is time stretch/ while keeping the same tune. like there cronox technology. Then you won't need mixman vsti. That would boost functiuonality of the RM3 like mad and might persuade users to buy.
the easy scroll is a god send!
dw
Lotuz
Posted: 22nd August 2001 11:06
Timestretching? What I'd like to see is a built in Transient Designer. The Cronox technology could be used for the sustain, but I've noticed that it weakens the attack if you stretch the drum sound. But the idea is interesting. I don't know if Peter is willing (and able) to add it to the RM III and if this will have an effect on the sales price, but who knows...
jackacid
Posted: 22nd August 2001 11:13
errrhm, where is the pb? I go to Linplugs download site and it says "available soon" next to RM III.

confusedly, -jack
Lotuz
Posted: 22nd August 2001 11:15
RM III public beta
Peter from LinPlug
Posted: 22nd August 2001 13:14
Hi,
well timestretching and transient design are similar but still two pair of shoes I think. As Lotuz mentioned the CronoX technology could be used for transient design but is a little
limited in the attack phase. But I'd surely see that this would make sense in a drumsampler.

Regarding timestretching of Loops I ask myself if this wouldn't be better covered by a separate application, as you probably normally have several loops you'd like to arrange easily in your song. I mean: is this really something you'd like to see in a drumsampler ?

Best regards

Peter

ps.: Lotuz, take better titles when starting a thread, please


[ 22 August 2001: Message edited by: Peter from LinPlug ]
Lotuz
Posted: 22nd August 2001 13:52
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ps.: Lotuz, take better titles when starting a thread, please


Sorry... Sales and marketing isn't my specialty. You're right, RM III: the greatest drum machine ever would have been a much better title.
schneidw
Posted: 22nd August 2001 14:00
Hi folks, just to set some things clearer:

> does Battery's loop mode automatically pitch the loops
> to make them fit the tempo?

yes it does. You can automatically snap a sample's length to the host tempo on a note value (quarter, eighth, ...) basis. Battery will even follow the host if he changes his tempo...

> But I need a drum sampler that allows me to browse
> through my samples easily and quickly while playing the beat

you can do exactly this with Battery. You can play the beat (let's say loop a certain part of it in the sequencer), and exchange a certain cell's sample while the song is playing. If you don't like what you find, you can click cancel and the old sample stays where it was; if you find some decent alternative, you click ok and the sample get's swapped.


best wishes,
Wolfgang
Lotuz
Posted: 22nd August 2001 14:40
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> But I need a drum sampler that allows me to browse
> through my samples easily and quickly while playing the beat

you can do exactly this with Battery. You can play the beat (let's say loop a certain part of it in the sequencer), and exchange a certain cell's sample while the song is playing. If you don't like what you find, you can click cancel and the old sample stays where it was; if you find some decent alternative, you click ok and the sample get's swapped.


I guess I should take another close look to Battery, but I haven't seen a sample browser like the RM III (and Reason by the way) has.
Lotuz
Posted: 22nd August 2001 14:50
Okay, totally overlooked the "in-kit preview" check box.
manytone
Posted: 22nd August 2001 15:11
Hey Guys
I REALLY Like the new RM3 . I have been an RM2 user for a year and this new version is great.
The possibilities for Tweaking an acoustic Sample into a New Electronic drum sound are just wonderful.
You can turn 1 kit into a completely new Twisted kit by adjusting the Envelopes. And now with Compression and Distortion the Sound gets BIG.
Compared to all the other Sample Drum Machines, I think RM3 is the Best for New Sound creation and Inspiration. What more can I say ... Im Sold. Peter definately has a winner here .... Try it out for yourself.
And he put those nice Panels on it for Lotuz.
Paul
Manytone Samples
Lotuz
Posted: 22nd August 2001 17:01
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And he put those nice Panels on it for Lotuz.


You shouldn't have told them. Now they know why I'm so enthousiastic about the RM III.
Ben [KVR]
Posted: 22nd August 2001 17:39
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Originally posted by Lotuz:


Sorry... Sales and marketing isn't my specialty. You're right, RM III: the greatest drum machine ever would have been a much better title.



As the topic starter you can change the thread title, just edit your first post and you can modify the title, if you want to!

[ 22 August 2001: Message edited by: Ben@KvR ]
Lotuz
Posted: 22nd August 2001 17:51
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As the topic starter you can change the thread title, just edit your first post and you can modify the title, if you want to!


I didn't know that. I think the new title is a little bit better.
manytone
Posted: 22nd August 2001 18:16
Hey all
In ADDING to my above post I Said....
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Compared to all the other Sample Drum Machines, I think RM3 is the Best for New Sound creation and Inspiration.


I know you won't all agree ... so I will clarify now.
Okay sure, some of the other Drum Players have synths that you can build or create sounds with ..... Great, but for me it takes time to program sounds from Scratch. I want to be able to Tweak a new Kit Fast, and so starting with an already great sounding Sample I can then quickly create a new sound Fast in RM3. It just works better for me than programming synths and generators from Scratch.
So I guess it boils down to how you work and what's best for you in Your environment.
Cheers
Paul
Brando
Posted: 24th August 2001 14:21
I use RM2 (and Cronox and Delta)and have just downloaded the PB for RMIII. One thing I asked Peter to think about is Soundfont support, since there are so many great Soundfont drumkits available. I love being able to use LM4 kits as they come. To me it would add tremendous virsatility to add SF2 drumkit support as well....

Regards

Brando
kenfen
Posted: 25th August 2001 04:16
Anybody using the RMIII beta in Cubase 5 with success? Orion Pro?

Thanks,

Kenfen
dusted william
Posted: 25th August 2001 04:50
I'm using rm3 in Opro 2.5 just fine, rm2 worked but there were a few (and I mean very fiew) glitches and it could have been with my machine only. but with the rm3 all the problems seem to be fixed. I must say that I love the rm3
dw
Lotuz
Posted: 25th August 2001 05:52
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Anybody using the RMIII beta in Cubase 5 with success?


Yes, the pb2 seems to be working well in Cubase VST 5.0. The problems with pb1 that I encountered have been fixed already by Peter. Now I'm trying to get the ECS to work, but that might just be me doing something wrong.
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