Hmm Reaktor didnt impress me too much, since i'm not in the mood for dicking about. But Dash's demo sounds impressed me. Anybody got nice words to say about them? I might just buy Reaktor, hell Dash is doing NI a favour. Maybe Native will just snap the whole lot of Dash (after he stops bad mouthing them) and call it Premium Library 2.

Couldn't agree more. Dash's dems are interesting, and his instruments are so affordable. He makes Reactor look a lot more useful than NI.

NI appear to focus on synth building (no thanks) while Dash focusses on having oodles of fascinating pro-quality synths to play with (yum yum).

Maybe a Dynamo v3 upgrade could tip the balance for him.

That and a guitar synth could seriously get me to part with my hard-earned.

True true.

I think we're gonna see this more in the future.
VSTi programmers who are building the tools, and sound programmers who are making the synths and stuff from building blocks. A pretty good thing I think.

bluey, why do you think you wont want to 'dick about' with reaktor? i cant understand that at all.. it is so much fun!

unless you're prepared to get creative and make your own ensembles i'd say reaktor is a bit of a waste of money.

the beauty of modular synths is the ability to make unique and personal sound constructions. to ignore that is a bit silly.

another thing to bear in mind if youre thinking of buying reaktor just for the ready made synths is that although fairly optimised now, reaktor will use considerably more cpu than a highly optimised vsti... you'd be better off spending the money on a few quality vsti's from smaller developers like refx, linplug or fxpansions..

Jepp !
If you dont want to make ensembles, by another synth.

BTW, I read your rating for NI B4. Sorry to say, you have proberly never tried it, except for maybe the demo, and i must say that this kind of ratings undermines the whole ratingsystem. I hope you delete your rating, or at least do a real rating.

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Jepp !
If you dont want to make ensembles, by another synth.

BTW, I read your rating for NI B4. Sorry to say, you have proberly never tried it, except for maybe the demo, and i must say that this kind of ratings undermines the whole ratingsystem. I hope you delete your rating, or at least do a real rating.

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yea that's why they throw out the low and and high scores in some statistics. That rating was rediculous to anyone who tried B4 and at least knows what a B3 is. I think KvR should elect not to factor in the low and and high scores in the ratings calculation for that reason.

-david abraham

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yea that's why they throw out the low and and high scores in some statistics. That rating was rediculous to anyone who tried B4 and at least knows what a B3 is. I think KvR should elect not to factor in the low and and high scores in the ratings calculation for that reason.

-david abraham

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Maybe, but people would soon work out what the lowest score they could give that would be included...

I've deleted the review in question as it wasn't constructive in anyway, everyones entitled to their opinions but "Sounds OK I guess" as a complete review is nonsense

Bluey: Feel free to write another review if you want to but could you try to give more info on why you don't like it

Ta

Yeah sorry that was nasty of me! And I was your first reviewer for the other stuff on your new ratings system ... can i have a
KVR T-shirt ! I wanted to see how easy it was to nobble the rating, and nobble them I did for a little while. Theres a statistical way of doing rating, and its still not right, I think its called weighted statistics. As you can see a low score or high score and deviate the values. And also a rating with one review can get more points that 5 reviews of a similar instrument for example. Yeah sorry again !

I think NI have it back to front.

Why don't they bring out an easily affordable low cpu Reactor player (ie a better Dynamo), at say $50, or less. Package it with just 5 synths instead of 25.

This would open up the market more for cottage industries like Dash and others (and NI) to bring out lots more interesting Reactor-based synths, and make a little money for their efforts.

The kickback for NI would be a wider user base for Reactor-based products, and a wider understanding of Reactor's potential.

This can only help Reactor sales.

I like NI sound quality, but I don't like the way they sell. They're old fashioned, like a paper-based company that hasn't "quite" caught onto what the web is all about.

I think your forgetting that NI themselves are already in the business of selling VSTI that are made from optimized reaktor components. They are not going to come out with a product to compete against their own product.
Honestly I like to know what new VSTI's have come out but i dont have any except reaktor. All the stuff NI puts out is IMO of such higher quality than anything else. Im just drooling for absynth for windows.
As far Dash's stuff being a reason to buy reaktor... its more like 1 of about 50 reasons to get it. If you get it and use it you will become addicted
You really dont need to learn to program reaktor to make it useable(ie not going below the ensemble/instrument level)

I do think they have a rather poor marketting aproach though. Is there any demo sounds for reaktor at all on the NI page?

kevvvvv - Check out steampipe that was uploaded to the user library a few days ago... its amazing...

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I like NI sound quality, but I don't like the way they sell. They're old fashioned, like a paper-based company that hasn't "quite" caught onto what the web is all about.

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possibly...but the "web way" has put a lot of people into bankruptcy. I like how NI is running their business...not perfect but the focus on fundamentals seems to be there. We need them to be around for a good long while.

-david abraham

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