Hey Guys and Gallz,


check'm out!!! Yours truly thinks they are DA BOMB!

DestroyFX @ SmartElectron:x

RezSynth is a weird mix of a synth and an effect, so maybe Ben could add it to the site? So are the other plugs really...

Told y'all that smartelectron:x was going places
WATCH THIS SPACE!

Bram

Why don't you link to destroyfx from yer man page, you freaky Belgian.

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Originally posted by Bram:
Hey Guys and Gallz,


check'm out!!! Yours truly thinks they are DA BOMB!

DestroyFX @ SmartElectron:x

RezSynth is a weird mix of a synth and an effect, so maybe Ben could add it to the site?

So are the other plugs really...

Told y'all that smartelectron:x was going places

WATCH THIS SPACE!

Bram

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On my list of things to do today

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Originally posted by nickgold:
Why don't you link to destroyfx from yer man page, you freaky Belgian.

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Yeah! Just did that... But, it looks a bit crappy...

But the old site is getting SO out of date
At the moment I'm working on a different part of smartelectronix and when that is finished the main site gets the full treatment

Bram.

You should also add the link to Arguru's page and probably others, so that i don't need to search for more hidden smart electron:xers in the future.

Thanks for great plugs !

Just downloaded them last night....coooool!!

Buffer Override and Skidder both sound great in Buzz! I really like Buffer Override: exactly the sound I've been looking for on this new piece I'm working on.

Big thanks to Marc, Tom7 and of course: Bram.
(hey Bram, how's that new version of Cyanide coming along??)

--Har

BO is incredible, i not gotten the rez synth to work correctly in Opro though. Has anyone else?
dw

Hi. I have not heard of Opro, but basically Rez Synth will not do much in any host that does not support sending MIDI notes to VST effect plugins. You might want to look through Opro's documentation to see if it can do that. The only hosts that I know of that can manage this are Cubase, Max/MSP, Spark, SynthEdit, Buzz, Nuendo, & Fruity Loops, but like I said, I never heard of Opro before.

Thanks for all of the kind applause, folks!

I think dr who means Orion Pro when he says Opro, don't you Doc?

[ 22 September 2001: Message edited by: Ben@KvR ]

With sending midi notes to the effects and the dearth of hosts that allow you to do that, is that what the VST MIDI app is for on the same page. If that is the case then you should get these to work in any host.

Haven't tried any of it myself but am downloading all of them now. I like to see weird new synths being created which is effectively what these things are I guess.

I love this stuff!

Ooooops. The VST Midi App seems to be MAC only.

I whacked the other ones in FruityLoops however and was pretty impressed with the mangling once I got into it. It's quite hard to get something you actually want to use and it sometimes feels like a lot of experimentation for a little value, but that's exactly what AudioMulch feel like to me and people have made some incredible stuff from that.

But the Skidder has already been used in my latest frolic for what it's worth. Let's see if I ever make something of it. HAHAHAHAHAHA.

Yes I mean Orion pro when I say Opro. I have to ask the creator if it is in there, but I'm afraid it might not be.
thaks
dw

I want to thank the creator(s) of these new fine VST toys for being so kind as to think of us Mac-based Logic users. Damn, the fine treatment you get, when you use the best platform and sequencer...



Seriously though, I can't wait to check these babies out. *grin*

Caleb: The VST MIDI app is just a standalone VST host, not anything fancier than that. I made it with Max/MSP, so that's why there's only a Mac version.

Dr. Who: I downloaded the Orion demo this weekend & poked around it a bit & it appears to allow you to load any VST plugin as either an effect or an instrument. It doesn't seem to care whether it's really an instrument or not. So anyway, if Orion does not support passing MIDI along to effects, you might want to figure out whether it supports routing audio into instruments, which could be another way to get things happening...

that would be a definite cool thing if I could do that. And thanks for the quick response.
dw

By the way...

If there are developers out there who would like to join Marc, Arguru, David, Jaha and me in SmartElectronix, please contact us! We're allways looking for new talent to join our little crew!

Bram.

The Rez filter will work in the next version of Orion pro.
just thought some would want to know that.
dw

That's good news, Dr. Who, thanks for sharing it.

We've got a new one, folks.... Transverb.
Not an instrument by any means, this time a straight up effect.

http://www.smartelectronix.com/~destroyfx/

Hey Marc, a question for you: How did you go about Carbonizing the plugs? Specifically, how did you figure out how VST will be implemented in upcoming OS X-friendly sequencers/hosts? Was it based only on the Core Audio/MIDI specs, or did you get some info from Steinberg, Emagic, or whomever, on how they are implementing VST in upcoming versions for X?

These plugs are sweet and unique mark/tom! They have creative capabilities that not many things have, and well chosen parameters/implementation in my opinion so far. I've been wondering why noone had really done any weird stuttering-type plugs that were taking advantage of the properties of a digital audio stream.
Anyway meant to post the first night i used them, but thanks for developing some nice experimental but useable stuff! Keep at it guys, word

An idea/want i had for a possible future parameter would be maybe to have pan avalible in transverb and buffer-override(the stereo one?).. just a free slider, mostly for when using as a send effect (setting up/moving stereo image, etc...) just an idea

[ 02 October 2001: Message edited by: exponent ]

Exponent,

Thanks for the compliments, I'm glad you're enjoying Skidder so much! Regarding a pan parameter, I'm wondering, what host software do you use? I use Logic &, maybe it's different than other hosts, but it's got pan knobs on every track ... so I guess I'm not sure why I would need to add panning to the plugins themselves, too. I really appreciate suggestions for improvements & such, but I'm not sure that this would be very necessary, but maybe you can convince me otherwise?

Nick,

Basically it's really easy to port VST plugins to OS X. The basic SDK code from Steinberg is totally portable. The VSTGUI lib is not, but they have made a Carbon version (you'll need to go to Yvan Grabit's web page to get it, though, it's part of VST 2.2). In CodeWarrior, you'll want to remove InterfaceLib from your project & link against CarbonLib instead (you're best off weak linking) & then, replace the MSL PPC libs with the Carbon equivalents. If you have CW7, there's a library called MSL.All.Carbon.Lib or something like that (I don't have it), but otherwise replace them individually. There's no Carbon replacement for MSL.Runtime.PPC.Lib in CW6, but that's fine, you can use the PPC lib. Other libs that I use like MathLib, InternetConfigLib, & WindowsLib are not needed when you link against CarbonLib. Finally, if you're using VSTGUI, in the C++ Language preferences panel, change the prefix file from vstplugsmac.h to vstplugscarbon.h. That ought to do you. If you have more technical questions, you can email me (you can get my email address from the DFX web site, I don't like posting it around because I don't like getting spam).

I have an alpha of Peak 3 which is Carbonized & have tested my plugs under OS X in that & all is well. I've also tried out Amadeus II which is publicly available & fully Carbon. I'm not messing with Core Audio or Audio Units or anything like that, no need to, you only have to change a couple things about how you compile the plugs. & despite what Apple has said about dropping support for code resources under OS X, they haven't, so you still compile VST plugins as code resources.

I got most of this information from Steve at Bias Inc. (makers of Peak) & Lubor from ... Dsound I think? Emagic have also checked out my plugs in Logic 5 under OS X.

Hope that wasn't more information that you wanted...

Marc

It's more info than I personally need, but just the right amount to send to the plugin developers I know, who might be stalling on porting over to OS X. Are you saying that full-fledged VST synths would also be relatively easy to port over? That would be good news indeed!

Thanks again, man.

Wow, these really are original plugins - great work guys!
Really cool lofi sounds and SFX, perfect for mashing up drums.

Keep it up (please)!

Chris.

Thanks for these plugs guys! i had this project for a dance company where the dancers are supposed to "melt" in the ending before i really had to go wild on some combination of plugs there came buffer override. no need to go any further, i fed the mix into it and voila! bravo!

Smartelectron:x RULEZZZZZ... Even if Bram is a freak.

I tend to agree that Buffer Override is just experimental enough, not just putting out unusable sounds but weird, beautiful sounds that can sit in a mix. Great job!

leaping frog: Yes, that is what Buffer Override is all about! From its inception, its intent was always to be a melting dancer emulator.

TristezaOrange: I must agree, not to toot my own horn too much, but I think that our plugins are especially music-oriented, unlike many other odd sounding plugins out there. I like to think that they are more like music tools than sound effects tools. I think that the MIDI note control that Rez Synth & Buffer Override have makes that especially the case, & especially obvious that they are very much musical tools.... you know what I mean?

Nick: Right on, that's the spirit!

Nick: Sorry, I forgot to respond to your earlier question...

"Full fledged VST synths" are just as easy to port as effects. The only things that make a particular plugin harder to port are:

if it uses its own graphics routines & not those in VST GUI (I don't know how much harder that makes things since I don't really know about the differences between classic Mac OS routines & Carbon ones)

if it uses Mac OS system services that are not Carbon friendly

Hopefully not many plugs do the latter. I don't know about the prior. But it matters not whether it's a synth or an effect, it's the 2 things above that matter.

Hey Dr. Who, Orion-user-fellow: Do you know if host tempo sync is working with Skidder & Buffer Override in Orion? I got an email from someone who says that it's not, but I wrote to the Orion author & told him what my plugins are doing & he said that Orion ought to cooperate fine with it all, so maybe the person who emailed me has an old version or something.

Anyway, more particularly, I just released new versions of my plugins last night that are supposed to stay on the beat when you're in host tempo sync mode. By host tempo sync mode, I mean:
1. the host supports sending tempo & time info
2. you have pushed the tempo sync button & turned it on
3. you have the tempo slider set to "auto"
By staying on the beat, I mean that, even if you stop playback & restart it, jump around in the song, whatever, the cycles of the plugins should always line themselves up precisely with the beats & measures in your song.

Alright, so anyway, if you're feeling motivated & want to check that stuff out & let me know if it's all working in Orion, that would be super swell, I'd really appreciate it. I use a Mac, so I can't check it out myself. But if you can't or don't won't to, no problem, just thought I'd ask.

Thanks,
Marc

dw here with the report.
i downloaded the new version and they seem exactly the same.
I can turn temp sync on in Buffer overide, but I can't turn any tempo slider to auto. I can still affect the sound while changing the tempo, while I have the tempo sync button on. I still like the sound of BO sorry I can't help anymore.

As far as i know, Orion automatically detects, if a plugin supports tempo sync. It seems to work, but it still makes a difference, if i enter the correct bpm of the song or another
one ... and if tempo sync is switched off, it's different again !?

btw : i really like the feature, that one can enter the bpm
with the keyboard. This should be possible for all values of all plugins!! ;-)

[ 12 October 2001: Message edited by: THK ]

Dr. Who & THK: Thanks a bunch for checking up on that stuff! Well, it seems like Orion may support sending tempo & time info, but doesn't say so (in VST, you're supposed to formally ask about different functionalities using the canHostDo function). It would appear that Orion says "no" about time/tempo stuff when it should be saying "yes" because my plugin asks the host & only offers the "auto" option if the host responds affirmatively. I emailed the author back tonight & told him about this & hopefully he'll fix the problem if I am indeed correct about what the problem is.

About text entry fields for parameters: I agree, it would be nice if all plugins had that for all parameters, but I'll tell you it's quite a nuisance to implement, so I only did it where I thought it was really necessary to be able to be perfectly precise, & that was with tempo. In case you don't know, though, you can hold shift while clicking & moving the faders of any of my plugins & that will allow you to do fine adjustments. Hmm, I perhaps ought to make a text entry field for Rez Synth's band separation parameter...