http://www.native-instruments.de/english/1_news/1_recent.html

I have to say like Cartman: Sweet!

i think native instruments remakes are getting a little tedious now......less copy more create after this one i think

Looks good, probably sounds good too, but a little on the expensive side. 299 US for a VSTi? That's twice as much as 90% of the other VSTi's on the market.

Unless there's something REALLY outstanding about it (or unless they revise the asking price down to a resonable amount), I'm sticking with my FMHeaven from LoftSoft.

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Originally posted by emef:
i think native instruments remakes are getting a little tedious now......less copy more create after this one i think

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Believe me, the FM7 is far more then a copy. It can import sounds of the DX7 & and many more old synths, okay, but there are a lot of features, that are really up to date. Take the envelopes as an example, they can have 32 Breakpoints with a freely defined loop and can be synced to the Host-Tempo. If you edit them in the Synced Modus, you get a time-line in beats, so you can easly create loops. If the Host changed the tempo, the FM7 will follow automatical, even Absynth can't do this. And you will find much more features, that are really new for FM-Synthesizer and for VSTi's in common too.

Bye,
Steffen

Oh N.I you will be the ruin of me
just when I thought I have the set (well except Absynth,
I'm eagerly awaiting the PC version) and my coffers are just starting to replenish you bring out another one

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Originally posted by emef:
i think native instruments remakes are getting a little tedious now......less copy more create after this one i think

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I beg to differ. There are plenty of software houses who makes new, original softsynths, including NI with Absynth and Reaktor.
I always wanted a Minimoog, a Prophet 5 and a PPG Wave 2.3 because of their distinct sound, but in the 80's I could not afford any of them (I was in my teens in the mid - late 80's) and today those are extremely rare to come by as second hand. And if you can find one, spare parts are getting hard to get as some of those parts are simply not manufactured anymore.

NI and Steinberg has given me the opportunity of getting those synths, and I *never* need to worry about them breaking down or needing replacement parts or getting out of tune. Also this for a mere fraction of a fraction of what the original price for those would be (the PPG Wave 2.3 cost almost $10.000 in 1984!), and they are within the range of 85% - 100% identical to the original synthesizers sonic wise.

The FM7 is not "just a copy" as you can import sounds for the _entire_ range of DX/TX synths into it, along with a lot of other sound tweaking possibilities. Although pricey, I cannot think of any other soft synth which lets you do this - except to a certain degree, FMHeaven.

The reason classic synths continues to make their debute in software, is that there is simply a great demand for them. There is still a great demand for older synths as well (tune into some music station on your TV and you'll quickly see some 2001 band using a Juno-106 or some other classic synth on stage).

I said in another post I haven't touched a DX synth in 13 years or so, but watching the screenshots of the FM7 instantly brought back the memories I had of the DX7/21/27/100 which I used in those days, and in a way, what NI and other companies are doing, is making sure that an important part of synthesizer history continues to survive and influence music and musicians even today.

I among many other I presume, welcomes the effort of NI and I sincerely hope they will make software versions of classic synthesizers for many years to come.

PS: If R&D at NI is reading this, please consider the D50, JX-8P, Super Jupiter, Wavestation, M1, CS80, ARP 2600 and OB-Xa/Matrix 12 for your next project.

If I can have only one, I'll chose the Matrix 12!

rm -rf /bin/laden

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PS: If R&D at NI is reading this, please consider the D50, JX-8P, Super Jupiter, Wavestation, M1, CS80, ARP 2600 and OB-Xa/Matrix 12 for your next project.

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The D50, JX-8P, and M1 bring back memories for me. Actually, I'm still using the JX-8P
(plus a TX81Z which is emulated perfectly in FMHeaven!)

Korg DW-8000 is my old baby that I grew up loving.
I just picked up a slildemate, and was thrilled to find a definition for it there! (not that I've gotten it to work yet)
Heh, I just realised this is an FM thread, which the DW is not, but what the hell, if we're talking about classic synths, the DW still kicks ass!

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Originally posted by shaifire:
Korg DW-8000 is my old baby that I grew up loving.

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Well, if you do have Reaktor, happy birthday. Dash has been so kind to make a DW-8000 clone for Reaktor for free, go to http://www.dash-site.com/synths/index.htm and have fun.

I have a dx-7 and be sure that I will be comparing them to last detail NI!!! Of course I know it will be great.


What about the DX-1, it was bigger than the dx-7 if I remember good. Will it be implemented in the Fm-7 one day?

The DX-1 was "just" two DX7 engines with better DACs and a killer keyboard and UI. The synthesis method was identical, so I imagine you'll be able to get the exact same sounds.

Oh, and when comparing FM7 to your old DX7, be sure to run it thru a bitcrusher to downgrade it to 12 bit and mix in some hiss, while you're at it!

(I'm excited for FM7 too, as a current FMHeaven owner, and former DX9, DX7iifd, TX802, TX81z, TX816, and SY77 owner.)

PPG

I believe the DX1 (and DX5) used the same 12 bit components as the DX7 but hand picked versions, so they showed better linearity and lower noise.

One thing which I haven't got around to on FMHeaven (and I was wondering how FM7 handled) was the modulation support on the DX series. The DX has strange global pitch/mod wheel/aftertouch routings and I was wondering what NI have done with these. Bit of a pain setting one pitch wheel range for all voices. Anyone know what FM7 does?

Whilst on the subject of aftertouch, the original DX7 sends a CC (I think it is 5 off the top of my head) for aftertouch not aftertouch messages. Anyone know if this changed with later rom revisions than my DX7, or if this is the same in the DX7-II?

I am very interested to see how accurate the NI implementation of all DX/TX synths is having fought with this problem for a while myself. I think there are some aspects of the synths which conflict so you can't get one synth behaving like a DX and a TX (velocity sensitivity behaves differently for example) so unless you have a really ugly mode switch, there are compomises.... Not long to wait to see how it behaves!


Cesare
www.loftsoft.co.uk

Cesare:
Just because I'm excited about FM7 doesn't mean i don't love your work with FMHeaven.... just like my love for Pro52 doesn't mean I hate Mercury1.

I do want to shout out to FMHeaven for being a fantastic (and reasonably priced) DX7 emulator. It's already made it into several of my tracks.

PPG

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Originally posted by shaifire:
Korg DW-8000 is my old baby that I grew up loving.
I just picked up a slildemate, and was thrilled to find a definition for it there! (not that I've gotten it to work yet)
Heh, I just realised this is an FM thread, which the DW is not, but what the hell, if we're talking about classic synths, the DW still kicks ass!

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yeah..that was my first synth, and it's the only one I refuse to sell...I've sold everything else in favor of soft synths/samplers. But it would be great to see the DW immortalized in software. Also I'd like to commend NI on their great attention to detail on the graphics in their synths. That's part of the experience for me.

-david abraham

>It's already in there

Pure genius! I can't wait!
PPG

FM7 has been built since the developer of Sync Modular (Dr Sync) joined NI. It seems likely that he had more than something to do with developing the FM7. There is an excellent DX7 emulation available for SyncModular which is still amazingly good value at $49. The instument in question is G. Landini's DXG and you can try it out with the unregistered version of SyncModular.The DXG 1.6 comes with a utility which allow it to load DX7 patch banks.

I would be interested in what people think of the comparison between the DXG and FM7.

DXG is at this URL
http://web.bham.ac.uk/G.Landini/music.htm

SyncModular is a 1.2Mb downlad at:
http://www.mtu-net.ru/syncmodular/

Regards,
Antipodes

Antipodes: You are wrong, Dr. Sync and also the SyncModular has nothing do to with the FM7. The audio-core is the work of Michael Kurz, he also done this job for the Pro-52 and the B4 using Reaktor.

Bye,
Steffen

>Dr. Sync and also the SyncModular has
>nothing do to with the FM7. The audio-core
>is the work of Michael Kurz, he also done this job
>for the Pro-52 and the B4 using Reaktor.

OK Steffen,my mistake. This was a theory
aired on the Sync User list. How about a demo version for
FM7?

Antipodes