Hi,

Can someone tell me where to find a simple step sequencer has like 16 to 32 sliders to represent the note pitch, along with slide, accent, and mute checkboxes below each slider. I've seen it in non plugin form (can't remember the name), but perhaps there is a plug someone can suggest that has this layout. I would prefer to have the riff visible this way as opposed to the rebirth style "you are on step number.." without being able to see all the steps layed out graphically- you know? Any help would be great. Thank you.

This is one of Reaktors easy doings. If you wouldn't find a step sequencer exactly the way you want it it's possible to customize one in the way you want it. The one you described is standard in Reaktor AFAIK.

What you described is what Ruction is all about. Why more people aren't talking about this plug I don't know. It's my number one find of recent months. Very slick.

David

it's funny how whenever someone asks for anything specialized in plugin form people always jump straight to reaktor.. i mean sure it can do it, but there arent many things it cant do, it's as close as you get to open-architecture. i think when people say "is there a plugin like this" they mean "is there a specific plugin that's been compiled and optimized for the purpose of doing this?" the anwser is usually "nope, no way in the hell anyone's done that yet" hahaha you gotta make it yourself in reaktor, or d/l someone's ensemble.. and in rare cases they mean some included ensemble.. and i realize reaktor's better for those who care to take the trouble, but modular synths take knowledge and discipline to make a real use of.. (in other words, so your projects arent going to sound like *every other* reaktor user's or something, because that would defeat the point of investing so much money and time in a program anyway right?) Not dissing reaktor, just saying it's too much for most people doing this stuff,and many people say that it's too much again and again, so .. but more to the point of the question..

thwacks said:
Can someone tell me where to find a simple step sequencer has like 16 to 32 sliders to represent the note pitch, along with slide, accent, and mute checkboxes below each slider. I've seen it in non plugin form (can't remember the name), but perhaps there is a plug someone can suggest that has this layout.

In current state of things (unless there's one for mac, i dont know what you're primarily useing, i'm on pc now) there is NO plugin to do this with sliders in the old simple "analog sequencer" way.. (reaktor probobly does it to emulate .. old modulars because that's what those kinda sequencers {when they were actually hardware} were used in conjunction with)..

anyway, closest you can come would be having a synth integrated into the sequencer you're using that has either a note overlap controlled glide (tau, taupro, TBL(i'm pretty sure that's how it works on it), tritium, etc)[two of which i just mentioned are freeware as you may or may not know].

Ok that's if you MuSt stick with your sequencer.. if you have logic you could probobly build an enviornment step sequencer thing to use just like that with one of those synths.. i'm not sure because i've not used logic in that much depth.. you may be able to do the same with cubase but it'd be really unintuitive.. OR you can just use the piano roll as your "graphical representation" but i know that the point of what you're saying is to .. not see the notes or note names..i think. Anyway i'm rambling i'm tired, here's your other option(s) there is a midi sequencer pack thingy called techno toys(i think) which has this 303-thing midi seq that does what you're talking about .. but obviously that's stand-alone and gets lame.

For synths that are a PART of a sequencer you have a couple options, which you may already know of.. they're the powerful loosely knit kin of Orion and Floops, these being the best two mid-range sequencers avalible right now, and both fully professional in the right hands/ears, they each have a synth for doing 303ish stuff "graphically" (this is by sequencer keyroll but in 16/32/etc steps per pattern... in orion it's the bazzline,(close to real 303, with programmable accents and slides) with orion it's called 404(a looser, more unique, analogsynth-sounding gritty "303clone", with programmable slides but not accents. [interestingly both of these synths were developed by the same inventive man ]
You probobly have heard of these sequencers but i figured i'd let you know that they are very close to doing this in the context of actual songwriting, since that's what you asked about.

Hope i helped, maybe you're on mac with Digital Performer tho.. hahaha then you probobly just scrolled through all that like "what in hell is this person going on about?!" haha.

Try Sync Modular's - http://www.mtu-net.ru/syncmodular - DP64f1 (sliders) or DP64H (buttons) at http://www.window.to/graphics These are a tb303 emulations.

Adaerus

www.mp3.com/adaerus

[ 05 November 2001: Message edited by: Adaerus ]

Hi,

Well, I'm on a PC and this standalone program I saw may have been called seq303, but I that may not be it. You can do all the same stuff in matrix edit/piano roll, but it takes more editing time to get the velocities 'even' for the accent variations, stretching out notes for slides, etc. I'm using Logic so maybe I'll try making an environment, just haven't made that sort of thing yet. A bunch of sliders with minimal 303 style control would be a quick riff machine, it'd be nice to customize it in various ways, but I'm sure this thing already exists. Thanks for the recommendations.

yeah, use ruction if it'll pump like that.. haha i havent tried ruction yet but mean to for months now.. i'm pretty sure it wil be good, not overkill or underkill, and unique! hmm, too bad i didnt refresh and see that post while i was typing my godzilla stinking post hehe and yeah try syncmodular before reactor, it's just as good in sound quality, faster then the 3.0 engine, and works very well musically.. plus its oohhh 20% the price!

BTW that seq303 thing was the one i was talkin about it comes in that tekno toys bundle but i couldnt rememb er the name because i only tested it out and that was like a year ago, figured you'd probobly seen it.. hey and know what this post:
"You can do all the same stuff in matrix edit/piano roll, but it takes more editing time to get the velocities 'even' for the accent variations, stretching out notes for slides, etc. I'm using Logic so maybe I'll try making an environment, just haven't made that sort of thing yet. A bunch of sliders with minimal 303 style control would be a quick riff machine, it'd be nice to customize it in various ways, but I'm sure this thing already exists. Thanks for the recommendations. "
Now reminds me of? it's of the VAZ sequencer, which is with sliders.. i dont know if that seq thing will even be ON the net vsti version of old vaz+ but if so.. vaz has a classy portamento and so round THICK analog sound.. so maybe try that on for siz also.? (not gone public yet)

If i was a bigtime logic user i'd either have collected, have build, or would be trying to build such a midi algorithms box, but that's not me right now.. if there are some big sites with like enviorment files, i bet someone's made some things like that.. i mean think about it.. it's one of the most popular and intuitive ways to write electronic riffs.. anyway.. peace

If you like the step sequencer in Vaz+ and would like it as a vsti, then check out the new Vaz2001.

Get OVER It...

Arturia Storm maybe?

Hey exponent,

you've got an interesting view of Reaktor. It makes me wonder that you think that everyone sounds the same while using other peoples Reaktor ensembles. Why? Do you sound like Jimi Hendrix because you play a Fender Stratocaster through a Marshall stack? NO!!! Do you sound like Lyle Mays When you're using a Prophet 5? NO!!! Do I sound like you when I use the same VSTi's that you use? NO!!! Would you sound like me when you were using the same Reaktor ensembles than me? NO!!!

Reaktor is cool. SynCModular is cool, too. For Reaktor there are nearly 1000 ensembles available which means nearly 1000 synthesizers, samplers, drummachines, sequenced machines, FX, weird "noise/click/blip" generators, etc. It's as hard to use this ready-to-use stuff as it is complicated to load another VSTi. And no, I don't work for NI, just love Reaktor.

Have fun.

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Originally posted by DavidGig:
What you described is what Ruction is all about. Why more people aren't talking about this plug I don't know. It's my number one find of recent months. Very slick.

David

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As soon as Ruction's pattern sequencer matches the one of Reason's Redrum, then I'm interested in adding Runction to my VSTi list. But version 1.0 is too limited.

Lotuz: ok, i`ll add a cd-check each time you want to run the plug

What features do you miss ?
- Speed-setting for each pattern ?
(already working on that)
- copy the patterns created with Ruction to MIDI tracks ?
(would be cooler if vst would support the direct output of the midi to other plugs...)

Stephan
www.d-dev.com