Is there actually a VSTi synthesizer on the market (not a sampler) witch can produce real stereo voices with oscillator spread, balance and stereo panning?

All the synths I have tried are only pseudo stereophonic, that means a mono signal accumulated to stereo. Or they have additional stereo enhancer or chorus effects and so on...

I don't mean such things or panning Lfo's or so, but real stereophonic processing. Panorama adjustable and modulatable oscillators with its filters and so on...

...any ideas?

[ 13 January 2002: Message edited by: jason ]

I don't know, but was reminded of the late composer (died January 3rd) Juan Garcia Esquival. He sort of coined the space age bachelor pad music phrase for his 1950s big band arrangements which are typically very dynamic, complex, and sometimes hilarious. I heard on the radio this morning, that while recording Latinesque, to achieve a true stereo recording, he split the 60-70 person band up between two studios which were across the street from each other. Everyone wore headphones and a second conductor was brought in so they could play together. This sort of relates to the true stereo synth. A compromise would be to have two instances (L + R) of the same synth+patch, each reacting to a single set of notes and controller messages that modulate either side differently, or something like that.

[ 13 January 2002: Message edited by: four_thwacks ]

Reaktor, Junglist, and Scorpion..

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Originally posted by etherdesign:
Reaktor, Junglist, and Scorpion..

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As far as I can see Junglist and Scorpion definitively cannot do so! This are the types of pseudo stereophonic synthesizers, I posted about above. They use some tricks to process pseudo stereo. The pan is not adjusable for each oscillator and the spread is more a chorus.

four_thwacks:

Yes this is exactly the point that, I mean. A synthesizer, witch has a "real" dual processing mode. In fact this is a synth that uses two "voices" for one patch. Nearly all hardware synthesizers can do so and the most samplers. Only so it is possible to get a real stereophonic sound with one voice. (for pads essentially)

But I think, there are not even one virtual analog VSTi, that support this directly...

[ 14 January 2002: Message edited by: jason ]

Jason not to sound like a dick or anything, but why don't you just code one? You obviously have a decent grip on VSTi programming, so why not just make your own? Or do you have one already in the works and that's why you posted this thread?

Funkybot:

I want to make a new synth engine. And now I am checking, wheter there are some plugins, witch can do so.

The other question is: want the people a dual voice processing mode plugin synthesizer or not???

i am currently working on a reaktor ensemble that is trying to do exactly that. i started out with this because i wanted to be able to reprogram some of the patches i did on my microQ hardware synth in a vsti.

what i'm trying now is build a three osc synth where the output of each osc is panable, so i have dual filter and amp sections, resulting in a true stereo sound. i am also including some of the fm possibilities of the microQ, so it's possible to build a synth patch where the left channel has an analog synth sound and the right channel has an fm synth sound.

there's quite some reaktor patches and vsti's around with a stereo output, but most of those have a mono path with a stereo fx section in the end (stereo pingpong delay/chorus/phaser...), so most of them aren't true stereo synths

arne

Of course, the main reason for the not available VSTi synthesizers is the higher performance usage of this system:

You need at least a dual oscillator and filter system to realize this. This needs nearly the double performance.

But this is also the main difference between the power of a fast RISC processor sytem on the hardware synthesizers and a multitasking processor system.

All new hardware synthesizers have a real stereophonic processing structure. These processors are "reduced" in the command sets and specialized to render fast enought.

If you ones have heart a dual processing stereo synthesizer, you will be convinced about this fact. It is an enormous liveliness between two oscillators with its own filter, adjustable in spread and panorama.

I hope, you can show me this ensemble, to try it out.

[ 14 January 2002: Message edited by: jason ]

steiner`s micromputer has two osscilators that can be separately panned if thats what you are looking for

If you have the left and right instances of a synth+patch, you could configure the controllers so that an X Y pad gives stereo control over filter 1, Y is cutoff for both, X is an offset between the two. The same or another control surface for filter two, and you can start adding other controls like resonance, FX mix, but just keep X as the offset value. So could you just configure a set of controllers to behave that way and presto? Or code a new synth I guess because this true stereo synthesis design doesn't seem common.

Yes, you have right in some things, but this is nevertheless the thing, I am looking for.

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As far as I can see Junglist and Scorpion definitively cannot do so! This are the types of pseudo stereophonic synthesizers, I posted about above. They use some tricks to process pseudo stereo. The pan is not adjusable for each oscillator and the spread is more a chorus.

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as far as i know Sonic Sindicate synths use voice stacking. so it is NOT a chorus but couple of voices each of them separately detuned and shifted in panorama. so i you use 4 voice unison you get 4 separately calculated voices.
please correct me if i am wrong

michu

Yeah, to this one I would really say: "... just quality".

FM7. Independant osc panning.