I for one, did not find the latest NAMM news from NI about Kontakt great, it's just another piece of software they're releasing.

I mean, how many samplers do we really need? If you have either Halion, Sampletank, Gigasampler, Logic's EXS-24, Volkszampler or even Battery, do you really, really, really need Kontakt?

Why is it that today, everybody shall make a sampler? Last I heard, Emu is also releasing a software sampler.

I wish software houses would focus more on making new soft synths (hooray, Absynth is on it's way to the PC!) instead of all these 'boring' samplers.

Anyone who share this opinion?

Actually, I DON'T share this opinion... From what I have seen, ALL Mac-based soft-samplers currently suffer from either ; not being available except in Logic format, being too expensive for the lack of sound quality and / or features / sounds offered, the lack of importable sample formats, and / or reliability / crash-proneness, ( or a combination of the above... ) For all the available Mac-based soft-samplers, I have yet to find one that really has all the bases covered, and isn't insultingly priced at the same time...

Kontakt seems to be the most promising sampler coming around the pike ; from what I've read, HALion was supposed to be " the be-all end-all ", but hasn't exactly turned out that way... I, for one, want a Mac-based soft-sampler that REALLY has a " bang-for-the-buck ", is as professionally featured as one would ever need, and isn't limited by importable sample formats or what particular sequencer program it is exclusive to...

It'll be great to see _someone_ finally figure out how to make the Mac-based soft-sampler as high-quality and as bulletproof as my Pro-52 and B4 ; watching the companies that _don't_ do this " twist in the wind " will be equally as fun... Bring on Kontakt for the Mac !! I can't wait !!

Best,
JP.

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Originally posted by Z:

I mean, how many samplers do we really need? If you have either Halion, Sampletank, Gigasampler, Logic's EXS-24, Volkszampler or even Battery, do you really, really, really need Kontakt?

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Hihi, funny post this - I think exactely the other way round.
Yes - I really really need a better sampler. Not because I am unconfident with my EXS24, but because of features like being able to timestretch on the fly, and Kontakt will offer this.
Z - it always depend on what you want from a sampler, and still there´s so much room for improvement, even with Kontakt.

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Why is it that today, everybody shall make a sampler? Last I heard, Emu is also releasing a software sampler.

Why is it that today each new day a new softsynth is released?
I am a sample-head, you seem to be a softsynth-head.
So both of us should be happy that the developers and companies don´t sit still and try to improve the categories. right?

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I wish software houses would focus more on making new soft synths (hooray, Absynth is on it's way to the PC!) instead of all these 'boring' samplers.

Lol, Z, regarding all this you seem to be exactely my opposite.
But that´s okay anyway, since we all get what we want actually these days, don´t we?

okay, just my thoughts at the moment.
regards

putte

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Originally posted by putte:

Why is it that today each new day a new softsynth is released?
I am a sample-head, you seem to be a softsynth-head.
So both of us should be happy that the developers and companies don´t sit still and try to improve the categories. right?

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I know what you are saying, but to put it the other way around, it is as if every softsynth maker release their own verison of a DX7, but each version had a minor difference or two to it.
This is how I feel about the samplers that's released now. Granted, I don't have a soft-sampler (nor do I plan to get one) so I can't nail down the difference between them, but all that they are, are samplers with some different bells and whistles on.

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Lol, Z, regarding all this you seem to be exactely my opposite.
But that´s okay anyway, since we all get what we want actually these days, don´t we?

okay, just my thoughts at the moment.
regards putte

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Okay, if anyone would make a real Oberheim Matrix 12 softsynth, I would shut up. For eternity about this subject.

Hi Guys,

I was wondering if any of you had a chance to check out SamplerChan and what you thought about it if you did?

It's PC only, so if you'll all mac, then pardon me....

Regards,

Kenfen

This is totally disappointing. Couldn't have picked a bigger waste of time than another sampler. Sorry guys, NI has been doing killer work on modeling. I was really hoping they would continue that work.

Now Absynth for PC, on the other hand, is tremendous news.

thank god emu and akai didn t ask that question back in the mid-80's , cos we d be suck with 12 bit 512k o' ram samplers...

more is better

especially if it s made by NI

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Originally posted by afx23:
thank god emu and akai didn t ask that question back in the mid-80's , cos we d be suck with 12 bit 512k o' ram samplers...

more is better

especially if it s made by NI

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I agree... Apparently these guys/gals haven't checked out the feature list of the new NI sampler... I for one am looking forward to it.

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I agree... Apparently these guys/gals haven't checked out the feature list of the new NI sampler... I for one am looking forward to it.

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I had to read it several times to really get it. It goes beyond sampling, just like FM7 goes way beyond the DX7.

And the performance claims make me very curious.

-david abraham

MO BETTER BUTTER
Native Instruments have a reputation of making SAA-LAMIN plugings. They alway excede my expectations. I rather have too much than not enough of anything. They might just have a better mouse trap cause some of those other samplers DO have an issues.

Yes, we do need another sampler.
No, we don't need another analouge synth.

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Originally posted by putny:

Yes, we do need another sampler.
No, we don't need another analouge synth.

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I think that if something can be made better, it should be. If you don't like samplers, then don't buy one. There is obviously much more that can be done to improve samplers. If you don't like subtractive synths, don't buy those either. They can be improved too. Sure, it'd be great to have more original and innovative synths on the market, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to improve existing technologies.

I think the "absynth vs. samplers" comments earlier in this thread are also another example of the "I don't need it for my music, so nobody else should need it either" attitude that shows up a lot on this list. Not everyone here is making the same types of music.
I have a friend who can't understand why I'd need anything more than a strat and a marshall to make music. He sees all these high tech synths as distractions that get in the way of "real music". I have another friend who can't understand why anyone would still use a guitar to make music when there are so many more modern instruments to choose from. To each his own...

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Originally posted by Tufif de' Siks:
... the "I don't need it for my music, so nobody else should need it either" attitude that shows up a lot on this list. ...To each his own...

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yes, yes, yes -I think it´s okay here at k-v-r, but on many other boards across the net I find myself reading lots of post containing this strange attitude, and it still keeps me wondering.
(had a hard debate about "Should Logic Audio feature mp3-export/import" on Sonik Matter´s forum )

Sorry, this here is Off Topic, but I am glad that Tufif said this.


putte

Putte and Tufif ... I agree. Bang on.

In addition: I'd like to know a sampler that can reliably import my Akai and sf2 collection without

a) going out of tune, or getting the envelopes wrong.

b) obliging me to buy a pricey package that includes a load of samples I DON'T WANT.

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b) obliging me to buy a pricey package that includes a load of samples I DON'T WANT.

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Good point Kevvvv.

When I read that Kontakt will be 399$ it was some kind of bad surprise. Then I read that there´ll be 3 gigs of sounds with it.
okay, that justifies the price somehow, but:

I don´t want these sounds, I want Kontakt alone.

Would be really cool if they´d sell a pure package without the library, but I suppose they´re not interested in this, they for shure have their reasons for this kind of marketing.
(These days a lot of companies go this way. Look at The Grand - getting cracks downloading 1,3 GB isn´t that fun...hehe.)

Hey NI, give me the Kontakt-Alone version for 299$, and I am with it.

putte
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If it has decent filters the I for one would say we do need another sampler if comparing it to hardware.

EXS24's filtering is pretty cool but more is needed, Halions is just diabolical imo. Compared to an Emu none are in the ballpark yet compared to something like an Emu hardware sampler.

Yup, we do. Honest. Even if this one isn't it.

Regards

The NI sampler seems to have a rather increased feature set compared with the current set of samplers.. - well its more like CRONOX from what I've heard. or the Roland VP-6000. I'm quite sure people didn't feel like "we don't need another HARDware sampler" when that came out.

stop your whining..