Ok...Poll Time!!

Whats your Most Wanted VSTi?

I personally would LOVE a VSTi of a Nord Lead.

-Sin
http://zwap.to/ft13

Con Brio ADS200

if not that, then a CS80.

SUPERNOVA!!!! in all its glory and more in VST form would just make SCREAM.This has to be it

How about Vaz Modular as a plugin ?

EVP88 VSTi, the real thing.
Simsynth VSTi, the full version.
Dr. REX VSti

A VSTI, with it is possible to make pulsewidth modulation, cross modulation, oscillator syncronisation and continuous harmonics
adjustment of the different waveforms at the same time... all in realtime...

.. this is not a joke, really a wish.

... oh, I forgot: noise adding and ring modulation amaount too...

This would be the perfect oscillator for a subtraktive sound synthesis. I definitively think, the last word in VA is not spoken till now.

[ 19 January 2002: Message edited by: jason ]

Hi Jason,

what do you mean by "continious harmonics adjustment"?

Have fun.

harmonics: sine-> saw -> square have a totally different set of harmonics or sinoids. this is more an aspect of the Additive Synthesis.

I think on a steppless adjusting or modulate-able morphing to each other with each one single oscillator.

For instance: the Yamaha AN1x or the Virus can morph the harmonics from a sine to saw or from a square to sine and so on.

Perhaps a VSTi, that has some fundamental possibilities of a additive synthesis (for the oscillators) and a global synthesizer structure of a subtraktive synthesis with more than one filter.

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Originally posted by telxosss:
jason your pretty much describing absynth, although i dont believe you can modulate harmonics in real time but you can surely adjust them in real time on absynth.

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Oh, if this is so, I have to check this out now...

I have no MAC, so I cannot try it out...

But they wrote on their web: "Choose between different synthesis methods (subtractive, FM, ring modulation) and construct your sound by adding a wide selection of filters..."

...so, because I have to wait for this, it is nevertheless a "wish".

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Originally posted by Raven:


Ahh but you can ! as NI have just announced that
it is now ported to PC will be available in
March

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Yes, but I hate it, to wait. Waiting will not satisfy me, bot having it only ...

There are enought companies, they are promising: we will ship our new "Sensational and Amazing Product" in the year 2054....

My wish was answered with
AbSynth for PC---
though it won't be out until March

and ES-2

[ 19 January 2002: Message edited by: meek ]

I personally don't like big companies so much, they post never endless anaounces of their forthcomming products.

I like much more the strategy of companies like Steinberg, for instance. They say : "We have a new product" and not "we will have a new product".. anywhen..

This has a lot mor surprising and more "booom" factors, i think.
... but this is only my personal opinion.

[ 19 January 2002: Message edited by: jason ]

I find it very strange, that the users have such problems to find the right sampler. Ok, I am not so much a software sampler freak (cause I have not even one). I can read this every day on forums.
But I think in general, sampler and computer are obviously two things, that could be "married together", because ther is absolutely no difference between the two architectures (both are digital and processor based).

It is much more difficult, to simulate real analog systems on a computer. There are so fantastic analog simulations now on the market, but seems to be not even one perfect sampler...
...very strange.

Jason,

The problem with software sampler is not apparently related to sound quality. The problem is the right balance between possibly broad range of features and a user interface that makes those features manageable without causing headaches. The problem is also, setting up an impressive sampler program is a lot of work. The perfect sampler should make them as easy and automatable as possible, esp. those repeating, painful and boring things, like trimming, looping, tuning, assigning and level/timbre balancing of the consecutive samples that constitute a single patch. I have yet to see an intelligent sampler that does it almost automatically.

I want the dream synth from my childhood (OK, I'm 40) - the Arp 2600 (the Who, Edgar Winter). I never see this mentioned, so I may be one of the few who want this!

Also, I'm not completely satisfied with current analog synth VSTi's. I've read where NI and Steinberg cut corners on the filters of the Model E and Pro-52 - they just made them "good enough" for the average consumer. It also takes much more processing power to get that extra filter realism. Now that computers are more powerful I'd love to see improved versions of the current crop of retro vsti's.

While being a fanatic samplerfreak for almost 10 years now, I still don´t see the sampler I have in mind. Kontakt is a "first" step closer to it, because it features timestreching on the fly.

But actually I think that we will see much more when the first real NonPlusUltra-SoftSampler will enter the scene.
I dream of a combination having all the features of Recycle, Melodyne and the features traditional samplers have. This isn´t done yet, Kontakt begins.....

And I am shure that we will see these beasts in the future, jaha.

Another good point about Kontakt is that the other sampler-developers now have to work on their current samplers even more, to keep the competition.
(but hey - we still have good samplers around, haven´t we?)

putte

to putte: I think, its not a really good idea to speak euphric about a thing, witch is at the moment definitively ONLY available in its technical edge parameters...

please don't get me wrong (please), but this is very typical for this forum.

and this is exactly the point, I hate by some major companies. showing only a few screens and "overdriven" statements to products, witch cannot checked by us at the moment...

to andy a: yeah, I have heard an arp 2600 for a long time, I was rally impressed about its sound and features. Course, it is only a monophonic synthesizer, but the modular concept is very very exciting, even from the sight of today.

I am totally convinced: it is possible to code a filter, witch is very closely on its analogue model. it is only a question of performance.
in my opinion the users prefer at the moment soft synthesizers with an exellent performance more than really quality.
this I can see clearly on the rating list on this forum.

on the other side, I know, how difficult it is to code both (quality and good performance) at same time. I have for instance written some very exciting opcodes for oscillators and filters, but i have to made some (bad) compromises for the releasing of my synthesizers. The question for a developer is ever: how much you can make a compromis, so that the users don't notice it.

I am well known for speaking about things, that some other developers would never do. - " showing only from best side" - and prevent some secrets from the folks...

as a developer you can go the easy way... or you can go the difficult way...

there are some people, they would better hunger to dead, because they want not understand the mechanisms of this f***ing perverse marketing world...

One thing is fact: marketing kills your dreams completely!

[ 19 January 2002: Message edited by: jason ]

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Originally posted by jason:
to putte: I think, its not a really good idea to speak euphric about a thing, witch is at the moment definitively ONLY available in its technical edge parameters...

please don't get me wrong (please), but this is very typical for this forum.

and this is exactly the point, I hate by some major companies. showing only a few screens and "overdriven" statements to products, witch cannot checked by us at the moment...
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there are some people, they would better hunger to dead, because they want not understand the mechanisms of this f***ing perverse marketing world...

One thing is fact: marketing kills your dreams completely!

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Jason, shure, you might be right that it´s too early to praise a product that isn´t even here. But: All the Native Instruments-stuff I bought (Reaktor, B4, Absynth and Spektral Delay) held the promisses on the Sound-side. (yes, looks diffrent on the bug-side of it )
You know what I mean? I am somehow shure that Kontakt will be a very good sampler, and building up a good sampler >shouldn´t< be that kind of big problem for NI, since they did Reaktor and Battery.

jason, we´ll see when it´s there, and mayve I´ll think back to what you said here. Though I hope Kontakt is gonna be a killer...

Finally: Yes yes yes - the modern world of marketing sucks big time, but still it´s just a mirror of society at all.

putte

WARNING :::: RANT!!!!

People have no idea what they want in a software synth.

Models ?? Filters ?? bleh, that means nothing to the average joe. And I guess these are the people buying most of the products out there.

Make a shitty product, put a naked girl on the cover, that should do it for most.

For ppl to appreciate quality they have to be educated...

...What Is Sound ? Why does it Sound Good ?...

I've heard so many poor sounding filters, both virtual, hardware, and analog.
Sometimes though, you find one or two synths that really has some edge, or characther to it that you really like.

In the Digital world you have to think about things such as Aliasing, Interpolation, Oversampling, Phase Linearity, etcetcetc the list goes on and on.

In the Analog world, you always obey the physical laws, also there is no such thing the aforementioned Digital world problems.
However Analog is not as accurate as the Digital.
Some people would say this is not a bad thing.

I also think Analog can be modeled Digitally near to perfectly, but I think we have a long way to go still, and also there is need for much more cpu power to really get there.

Anyways as time moves on, new sounds come popular, new stuff happens, Digital stuff needs to define itself in new ways I think, new sequencers, going away from copying hardware devices, and instead finding new graphical representations of sound & sound programming / sequencing, recording.

I think when we get there, we'll have a somewhat closely intergrated audio/sequencing package than we have today, and with much higher resolution, and possibilities we can only imagine right now.

For all types of musicians.

OFCOURSE...

There are those who care and strive to make high quality products right now,
I think there are some stuff out now, which can rival that of a h/w or analog solution..
Specifically the filters of MDA JX10 and LinPlug Cronox, sounds very analogue to me. (meaning a good sounding analogue filter)

SamplerChan I would say has many of the features that I enjoy in a sampler.

There are also other synths that doesn't neccesarily "sound analog" but still sounds very good, be it a digital good sounding synth if you will.

Put some of Nick Whitehursts MyMag on it, and it gets some nice saturation too...

BTW tip: if youre a Pentagon user, try create a saw wave at 44.1hz at 44.1khz samplerate, run it thru MyMag, and use it as a WarmSaw Osc in Pentagon


Hrm...
I forgot why I originally started this post now.
Time for more beer, gotta see if there's some nice chixx out today.

PEACE.

Three things:

1)Wurlitzer electric piano
2)Oberheim Matrix 12
3)Electric and Acoustic Bass Models
(classic jazz upright,Fender models,Warwick
fretless etc.)

1)Wurliter EP
2)Clavia D6
3)Harpsichord
4)Optigan
5)Wouldn't mind some more Moogs, or an ARP 2600
6)Orchestral Mallets

All of these except for #5 could easily be done with samples. So maybe I need sonic synth or something but I would still like a standalone VSTi for these (think MDApiano/epiano).

Ah, here's another one :

an OHMFORCE synth. I won't even suggest what it should look like. Leave it to those guys to come up with something totally weird that you could never have imagined.

1: Matrix 12
2: A good old analogue modular system
3: Matrix 12
4: Arp 2600
5: Matrix 12
6: Synclavier
7: Matrix 12
8: Jupiter 8
9: Matrix 12
10: CS-80

Oh, and a Matrix 12 would be great. Did I mention it?

db: a VAZ Modular VSTi is next on my release list.

andy a: if you're after a 2600 I took a lot of inspiration from my Odyssey when designing VAZ+ and VAZ 2001 has added features which take it quite close to a 2600, although it doesn't specifically model ARP oscs/filters.

jason: I agree with your point about quality vs speed. With the pace of cpu speed increases it's just a matter of deciding when the market is ready though (and optimizing to move that point forward


Martin (VAZ Designs)

Well I think it's the right time for manufacturers to come out with more big hairy stinking CPU-hungry softsynths hell-bent on pure sound quality. My computer isn't the fastest around- PIII 1k/512, but I have no problems running masses of stuff, virtual modulars alongside Samplitude with piles of tracks, etc. The days of trying to get the Mercury One demo to work on my PII 350 are long gone.

I'd also like to see more far-out original synthesis stuff in softsynths, as well as GUIs that are different from traditional knobs, sliders, and terminology.

-CB

MadGav: Thanks for your response. The Vaz synths look very cool - but I'm on Mac. Have you considered Mac versions?

a polymoog for reaktor ?
trying to make one myself but it is an odd machine...

[ 21 January 2002: Message edited by: bolleaux ]

andy a wrote:

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The Vaz synths look very cool - but I'm on Mac. Have you considered Mac versions?

Considered and dismissed I'm afraid, mostly due to the lack of time to add that to my workload.

duckwit wrote:

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Is it going to be have the 16 chanel mixer multitimbral thing? I can see the point of this in the standalone version but i think most people would rather use the host mixer with VSTi.

Please give use a straight single synth plugin VSTi. Also some way to select presets would be nice although i apreciate it would be difficuly to implement.

Just the option for 16 presets in each synth would be good.

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It will be the same setup as VAZ 2001 initially. But for both of them I want to add single synth versions. Preset selection by MIDI from a user-configurable list is already supported, though I still have some work to do on the plugin versions to make this play nicely with hosts.


Martin (VAZ Designs)

CZ-101 (casio )

Ultrafunk is doing a VSTi about Phase distotion synthesis...B.i.T did a demo of it...Windows only im afraid...hey ultrafunk(or B.i.T )when is this thang coming out?

[ 23 January 2002: Message edited by: realmarco ]

I'd like a three dimensional wave table. It should be capable of accepting an arbitrary number and placement of wav samples in the three dimensional matrix, and interpolating and exterpolating morphs between those samples, to populate the entire wavetable's axes. The table should be sweepable using lfos on all three axes. The main body of the vsti should be largely classic analog vcf/vca architecture - although it might be useful and kewl to have a mappable morphing envelope as well. The vsti should be capable of midi control when loaded in the sequencer.

HH

I want a Hohner Pianet/Clavinet VSTi. With a Chorus and wah-wah effect, and a tube amp simulator.

I dunno about what sort of VSTi I want but I can tell you the very few things that I miss since I ditched all of my hardware.

1. A sampler than can trigger a layer on NOTE-OFF, like my ASR-10 could. It is absolutely essential for doing good metal guitar riffs.

2. [Don't laugh] I really miss the awesome waveshaping of my old O1/W. It could so THE most amazing burbling bass-lines with no effort at all. It blows analogue synthesis into the weeds!

Here's a list of a few things that would make sounds with a refreshing change. We've got ADSR\Osc based designs coming out of every orifice, how about something different.

An fluid Ondes-Martenot would be cool for a start maybe.

http://www.obsolete.com/120_years/

Regards

Killingmesoftsynth qouth I'd like a Delay effect with 300 seconds of recordable playback. Something like Robert Fripp's TC Electronics gear that he uses to play Soundscapes.
Does anybody know what I'm talking about, ya?

I'm in the process of refining a 30-second delay ensemble I designed for Reaktor thats (very loosely) based on the Pluggo Very Long Delay. Currently its switchable between the range 10ms-300 ms or 1s-30s, but I can add 10s-300s quite easily if its likely to be needed. If its any use to you, and you have Reaktor, I can email you the work in progress.
Although 300s seems awful long for Frippertronics - play a riff, hear the delay 5 minutes later?

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Originally posted by realmarco:
CZ-101 (casio )

Ultrafunk is doing a VSTi about Phase distotion synthesis...B.i.T did a demo of it...Windows only im afraid...hey ultrafunk(or B.i.T )when is this thang coming out?

[ 23 January 2002: Message edited by: realmarco ]

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I don't know when it will be released, it's still in beta.
It needs some further "tuning" & Gui programming, but Lars @ Ultrafunk is on the case ofcourse.

I'm looking forward to this one myself too..

Hey Bones,

Halion can trigger samples on note off. It's a new thing in version 1.1 called Megatrigg.

Have fun.

Bones,

Samplerachan is capable of noteoff trigering, among thousands of other stunnig options (like- delayed trigering, modulated startpoint, layering with crossfade not restricted to volume, eg. filter-based crossfade, env follower that modulates one sample parameter by another sample's level, stunnig mod matrix, etc).

I gave up on the idea of a compelling guitar emulation, being convinced now that its a matter of limitations with the keyboard as controller, rather than the sound module. I am still willing to allow a VSTi developer to prove me wrong on this point, however. My more modest hopes now are for a cheap or free Wurlitzer electric piano emulation to stash in my plugin list next to mda Piano and mda ePiano. Also I agree with the above writer that my Model E really needs an update so it can actually SOUND like a Minimoog, instead of just looking like one. How many Model E's does Steinberg actually sell nowadays? And by the way, that update should be free to us registered users, since it was supposed to sound like a Minimoog in the first place. This is not very likely, since Steinberg is still Steinberg. But this is a wish list, isn't it?

Oh yeah, being an old Casio fan I'd like one of those CZ synthesizer VSTi's as well.

Thanks bajongo and MB. I might give SamplerChan a try but for the price of HALion I could buy another ASR-10.