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KVR Forum [Instruments] » Archive » Instruments » March 2002 Index | KVRFA1
AuthorTopic: hardware Reaktor ???
realmarco
Posted: 20th March 2002 16:38
http://messe.harmony-central.com/Musikmesse02/Content/DSP_Arts/PR/Taur on.html [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!]
vbfischer
Posted: 20th March 2002 17:23
I've already got a hardware Reaktor..

Its my PC.
CapnLockheed
Posted: 20th March 2002 18:01
Yeah, sounds like Soundart's Chameleon
http://www.soundart-hot.com/chameleon1.htm

I've got to agree with Bryce, If wanted a
a REALLY programable DSP engine for the
stage, I'd buy a good 1U rackmounted PC.
Just can't see buying into these dedicated
units with their dedicated programs.

Cheers...CL [Embarrassed]
exponent
Posted: 20th March 2002 18:10
quote:
Originally posted by CapnLockheed:
Yeah, sounds like Soundart's Chameleon
http://www.soundart-hot.com/chameleon1.htm

I've got to agree with Bryce, If wanted a
a REALLY programable DSP engine for the
stage, I'd buy a good 1U rackmounted PC.
Just can't see buying into these dedicated
units with their dedicated programs.

Cheers...CL [Embarrassed]
I agree! Proprietary beast hardware is going extinct, it's not really any better anyway in most cases except for throwing money away imo.
Data1
Posted: 20th March 2002 18:30
What bothers me is that these hardware units aren't even that powerful DSP-wise. There's certain types of synthesis you could pretty much rule out. Chameleon is no good unless you can program in C++, in which case, why not just use a laptop?
tufif
Posted: 20th March 2002 18:45
There are plenty of hardware reaktors, they're called modular synths. You can get some nifty kits at paia.com [Wink]
MB
Posted: 20th March 2002 20:15
Programming native DSP on a PC-based system is not that easy. First, you have to go through the layers os OS keeping eye on everything you do to the hardware, next you have to learn the API, which may be painful (can you say DirectX API or COM+ ?). If you want a realtime FX you need to take care of the latency. Your math has to be MT-safe etc. Programming dedicated DSP requires that you learn the hardware and that's it. No problems with multitasking, no latency issues. I've done both, and the latter is _much_ easier, be it a Sharc or a Motorola.
CapnLockheed
Posted: 20th March 2002 22:11
But that's exactly the point! You don't need
to know how to program a pc. There are hundreds
of thousands already doing it for you!! Granted,
it's much easier to program dedicated DSP
hardware, but you've got to deal with the
limitations of that hardware. The day is coming
when somone finally builds a pc based, fully
integrated keyboard instrument. When they do,
I'll buy one,(a few years after they come out
when I can afford one!). Someone's,(Carillon?),
already building pc's with transport controls
so I bet it won't be too much longer before
the line between computer and music hardware
blurs completely!


Cheers....CL [Embarrassed]
Rabid
Posted: 20th March 2002 22:51
I have a hardware Reaktor minus the sample playback ability. It is called a Nord Modular.

Robert
MB
Posted: 21st March 2002 06:54
CL,

That thing from DSP-ARTS is for power-users that _want_ to program their own algorithms. There is a lot of things simply not available as plugins. There are your own original ideas. Besides, the Tauron thing may be used on several levels of complexity, a non-programmer may build his own engines by connecting pre-made blocks of code, like users of NM do.

Rabid,

You cannot do everything in NM, you are very limited to the stock set of modules. How about your own nonlinear filters? Or granular synthesis? Or chaos? Or physical modelling of acoustic instruments?
vbfischer
Posted: 21st March 2002 11:05
quote:
Originally posted by exponent:
quote:
Originally posted by CapnLockheed:
Yeah, sounds like Soundart's Chameleon
http://www.soundart-hot.com/chameleon1.htm

I've got to agree with Bryce, If wanted a
a REALLY programable DSP engine for the
stage, I'd buy a good 1U rackmounted PC.
Just can't see buying into these dedicated
units with their dedicated programs.

Cheers...CL [Embarrassed]
I agree! Proprietary beast hardware is going extinct, it's not really any better anyway in most cases except for throwing money away imo.
Its really hit or miss, but it is possible to build a totally stable PC based Software Synthesizer. Before you PC, research. There are pleanty of sites out there that will help you. Remember, with music, its best to buy tried and true, and stay away from bleeding edge.

I spent some time building my pc, and its a very stable machine to run Logic, Reaktor, etc... Rarely crashes...
Rabid
Posted: 21st March 2002 14:41
quote:
Originally posted by MB:
CL,

That thing from DSP-ARTS is for power-users that _want_ to program their own algorithms. There is a lot of things simply not available as plugins. There are your own original ideas. Besides, the Tauron thing may be used on several levels of complexity, a non-programmer may build his own engines by connecting pre-made blocks of code, like users of NM do.

Rabid,

You cannot do everything in NM, you are very limited to the stock set of modules. How about your own nonlinear filters? Or granular synthesis? Or chaos? Or physical modelling of acoustic instruments?
True, but I would not call 110 different modules "very limited". By experiementing with routings I get things out of my Nord that would easily overload my high end computer. I like both my NM and Reaktor 3 but if I had to choose one over the other it would still be the Nord. No latency, no crashes, no problems.

Robert
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