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KVR Forum [Instruments] » Archive » Instruments » April 2002 Index | KVRFA1
AuthorTopic: Emagic ES2
Heavypop
Posted: 7th April 2002 01:23
I have been testing the ES2 from Emagic Smile and I can only tell you that this is a bad, bad, bad boy. The son of a gun rocks, rolls and knocks your socks off. - I'm stunned.....
Been trying a LOT of softsynths, but nothing compares to this one... [Embarrassed]
stogie21
Posted: 7th April 2002 03:25
is it going to be a vst or just logic. i've heard both ways. when's this thing coming out. its supposed to be out in a month for the last 6 months now.
mateo
Posted: 7th April 2002 17:17
quote:
Originally posted by stogie21:
is it going to be a vst or just logic. i've heard both ways. when's this thing coming out. its supposed to be out in a month for the last 6 months now.
I thought it was included with logic 5? Or it least it only works with logic 5...
Moritz Morpheus MkIII
Posted: 7th April 2002 17:36
no, itīs not included..but Iīm shure itīs worth the extra bucks..didnīt tried it, though
submerge
Posted: 7th April 2002 19:08
quote:
Originally posted by mateo:
quote:
Originally posted by stogie21:
is it going to be a vst or just logic. i've heard both ways. when's this thing coming out. its supposed to be out in a month for the last 6 months now.
I thought it was included with logic 5? Or it least it only works with logic 5...
Yeh, I think like EXS24 it *is* actually in the codebase of Logic 5, and you need an authorisation code on your dongle (XSKey) to *unlock* it.

It's apparently very good, kind of VA meets Digital, kind of like a Microwave. I haven't heard anything of it coming out as a VSTi tho :{

cheers
Sogo
Posted: 7th April 2002 20:42
I am pretty sure that Emagic is not releasing this as a VSTi. But the combination of this with the Emagic vocoder, along with all the new plugins makes logic almost unbeatable - er once multi-outputs, multiple undo, and rewire 2 is added that is......

The ES2 is incredible!!! There is quite definitely nothing like it in the VST world, the sound is sooo close to analogue. I think I have tried just about every VSTi that is available on windows, and perhaps the only thing that approaches it in terms of sound quality is the FM7 - IMO

I dont think there is much that this thing cannot do - except perhaps physical modelled kazoos...

regards

sg
stogie21
Posted: 7th April 2002 21:04
i wish an emagic guy would tell us why they don't put any of their plugins in vst format. I don't understand their plan. do they want everyone to convert to logic in order to use their plugins??? Just charge more for a vst version. is it possible to make a logic to vst wrapper?? i suppose that emagic would be the only company that would approve of that.

i just don't see a down side for emagic to come out with es2 as a vst. obvisously i must be missing something here.
autoy
Posted: 7th April 2002 22:26
I haven't heard yet anyone complaining about Fruityloops including propietary instruments or Cubase for "locking" their instruments and plugins to the program (not even usable in Wavelab) or even Orion for having it's own gegerators, so I see Emagic's strategy as making Logic more attractive, same as everyone else... Or is it that these plugins sound better? [Big Grin]

I have heard and tried ES2 and it sounds quite like a Waldorf Microwave (delicate and/or aggresive) and it adds a lot of movement whith vector synthesis, but... what a CPU hog!!
I guess polyphony performance is not as it should be yet, but let's wait for some updates to make this thing usable...
Funkybot
Posted: 7th April 2002 22:50
Autoy the difference is simple, no one else sells stripped down versions of their plugs in other formats. Take EVP as an example it's obvious we could have gotten a full blown version for VST but instead they crippled the VST version by giving it one piano.
autoy
Posted: 7th April 2002 23:18
Just think of EVP73 as a different instrument to EVP88. Oh, I whish there was a "crippled" version of Fruity Granulizer then... It's better than nothing.
As for EXS "crippled" version, this understandable when you notice that the sampler editor is already built in Logic's audio editor.
REiREi
Posted: 7th April 2002 23:40
quote:
Just think of EVP73 as a different instrument to EVP88.
EVP73 not even completely bug-free.

If they'd cared about VSTi users, they'd have fixed the EVP73 48kHz tuning bug. The bug was reported (and has been known by Emagic) since July 2001. (And i only got to know this bug AFTER i bought the plug and registered in their support section!)

Nine months and they are still saying they'll "look" in for a solution.
[ Similar bug in AlphaJuno and Battery v1.0 were fixed within DAYS ]...

So there u go...
autoy
Posted: 7th April 2002 23:50
quote:

EVP73 not even completely bug-free.

Ok, I was not aware of this. I admit Emagic are well known for veeeeery lazy updates for the last year.
cold c
Posted: 8th April 2002 01:05
I'm sure ES2 sounds very analoguey etc but, EVP73 is the last Emagic product I buy.

As well as the tuning problem, the CD re-authorisation crashes my machine nearly every time. I just don't bother with it any more.

stogie21: "i wish an emagic guy would tell us..." - You would think emagic employees would post on kvr once in a while wouldn't you?
dirtyaudio
Posted: 8th April 2002 02:23
Emagic is like Apple - they don't give a damn about their loyal current users, they're only concerned with attracting fresh blood.
From pain-in-my-ass authorization to stuck-up support, emagic would have surely lost one user if their product wasn't so goddamn good.

If it's any consolation, EVP73 has all the best of what's in EVP88.
stogie21
Posted: 8th April 2002 04:19
quote:
Originally posted by autoy:
[QB]I haven't heard yet anyone complaining about Fruityloops including propietary instruments or Cubase for "locking" their instruments and plugins to the program (not even usable in Wavelab) or even Orion for having it's own gegerators, so I see Emagic's strategy as making Logic more attractive, same as everyone else... Or is it that these plugins sound better? [Big Grin]
QB]
there are no instruments other that come close to the quality of the es2 or exs24 that are proprietary.
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