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Author	Topic: HELP a Newbie
electronic	Posted: 18th April 2002 10:51
	I'll ask this again. Even though it too will get deleted. Can I use 3rd part soft synths with fruity. The manual is small for fruity. And the people on fruity are missing my point. I know how to drop it in. I just don't know how it's triggered. How do I set it up so that junox plays the notes I draw into the pattern? How? Where do I go? Cos I cannot find these basic answers. And I am thinking perhaps I chose the wrong hobby. It's obvious that you lot were born with these skills!!
whyterabbyt	Posted: 18th April 2002 11:07
	Sorry the cracked version doesnt entitle you to that kind of technical support.
electronic	Posted: 18th April 2002 11:20
	quote: Originally posted by WhyteRabbyt: Sorry the cracked version doesnt entitle you to that kind of technical support. I aint buying anything until I know it works.
no3y3h4nd	Posted: 18th April 2002 11:28
	quote: Originally posted by master bates: I'll ask this again. Even though it too will get deleted. Can I use 3rd part soft synths with fruity. The manual is small for fruity. And the people on fruity are missing my point. I know how to drop it in. I just don't know how it's triggered. How do I set it up so that junox plays the notes I draw into the pattern? How? Where do I go? Cos I cannot find these basic answers. And I am thinking perhaps I chose the wrong hobby. It's obvious that you lot were born with these skills!! its exactly like a hardware synth .. set up the VSTi in your rack (dunno what they call it in fruity but in cubase its called the instrument rack) .. set the synth to receive on a certain midi channel, set the track to transmit on the same midi channel and set its output source to be the VSTi you just set up .. it only differs from a hardware snythn in that you set the tracks output to a VSTi instead of a hardware midi port .. #the above is for cubase but its the GENERIC way these things work - so it at least gives you an idea .. and btw if in future you want people to give you free advice I'd learn some manners #
whyterabbyt	Posted: 18th April 2002 11:36
	Master Baby quoth I aint buying anything until I know it works. Then use the demo.
electronic	Posted: 18th April 2002 11:38
	quote: Originally posted by no3y3h4nd: quote: Originally posted by master bates: I'll ask this again. Even though it too will get deleted. Can I use 3rd part soft synths with fruity. The manual is small for fruity. And the people on fruity are missing my point. I know how to drop it in. I just don't know how it's triggered. How do I set it up so that junox plays the notes I draw into the pattern? How? Where do I go? Cos I cannot find these basic answers. And I am thinking perhaps I chose the wrong hobby. It's obvious that you lot were born with these skills!! its exactly like a hardware synth .. set up the VSTi in your rack (dunno what they call it in fruity but in cubase its called the instrument rack) .. set the synth to receive on a certain midi channel, set the track to transmit on the same midi channel and set its output source to be the VSTi you just set up .. it only differs from a hardware snythn in that you set the tracks output to a VSTi instead of a hardware midi port .. #the above is for cubase but its the GENERIC way these things work - so it at least gives you an idea .. and btw if in future you want people to give you free advice I'd learn some manners # Thankyou. It's cos I am currently unemployed and peed off - So, I tend to represent my personality like this online (ok and a bit in real life). But admit it - electronic music making is an enigma isn't it? It's actually very difficult to find the basics. Does anyone know of any good sites for basics, cos I consider myself good with the words on google or debriefing, but I cannot find the basics... The fruity manual is by no means conclusive. I love Fruity. Since 3.0 onwards it has been wonderful. It is not the same program as it was 3 years ago. It has paino roll and vst support (or did they always support vst?). Anyway. I also got Acid Pro (cracked) - but never used it more than once (liked Fruity too much). I may buy Acid though, cos I can see how it might be superior for drum n bass or breakbeat.. possibly. Cubase looks like Acid Pro does it not? Am I correct in thinking that Reason, and Fruity are very different ways opf doing things from the norm. I asume the norm is Cubase (am I naturally supposed to progress onto that?). It seems to me that electronic music making has many camps. Cubase with real synths seems to be the purist way from what I understand. Fruity is seen as cheeky, and Reason seen as good but not purist. Surely, sometimes you cannot tell? How many tunes are out there are made with basic setups? I know Ingo once used Acid Pro 2. I have just bought Reason and find that I now miss the idea of being able to use vsts. However, I still love what it is - it's huge. Fruity is my first love.. and I suspect when I mess round with cubase - I will still prefer Reason/Fruity. I hear Cubase is difficult to learn? Then again, I have never seen Cubase running or used it. I have neither downloaded the crack or the demo. Thankyou for answering the question. I got to get back to my application form. 2 much time on my hands. [ 18 April 2002, 14:49: Message edited by: master bates ]
electronic	Posted: 18th April 2002 11:44
	I just realised that I am Brunel and Imperial degree educated yet I didn't understand those midi things in the right hand corner of fruity and the vst synths. So that is what they are for!!!! lol. I despair Gary really I do.. G
electronic	Posted: 18th April 2002 11:53
	quote: Originally posted by WhyteRabbyt: Master Baby quoth I aint buying anything until I know it works. Then use the demo. How many more times!! Because I didn't know how to make them talk with one another or indeed whether you could. Cos I have no-one to physically show me. Downloading the demo would not have told me that. All I wanted to know was: Could I use Junox and similar with fruity. That was it. Now that I know. Rest assured I will be online tonight to buy it. I like it's noises. I have an application form to do now.. see ya. Thankyou for your assistance.
Tronam	Posted: 18th April 2002 11:59
	Boy WhyteRabbyt, this really is a crusade for you isn't it? I can't really blame you, but perhaps if we all treat each other decently, Master Bates will finally understand how to use VSTi's in FruityLoops and he'll buy JunoX2. Wouldn't that be a step in the right direction? Noone should be condemned for wanting to do the right thing, regardless of their reputation or activities of the past. -Tronam [ 18 April 2002, 15:38: Message edited by: Tronam ]
electronic	Posted: 18th April 2002 12:02
	By the way - I am currently posting on fruity as dumbo mcjumbo.. you have to be a member to see the diuscussion board.. I am on the Reason site as Teck. It is certainly a very 'real' simulation, right down to being able to plub things together with wires.. Meccano Fun! An added dimension. They have both wasted me hours.
no3y3h4nd	Posted: 18th April 2002 12:21
	quote: Originally posted by master bates: Thankyou. It's cos I am currently unemployed and peed off - So, I tend to represent my personality like this online (ok and a bit in real life). But admit it - electronic music making is an enigma isn't it? It's actually very difficult to find the basics. Does anyone know of any good sites for basics, cos I consider myself good with the words on google or debriefing, but I cannot find the basics... The fruity manual is by no means conclusive. I love Fruity. Since 3.0 onwards it has been wonderful. It is not the same program as it was 3 years ago. It has paino roll and vst support (or did they always support vst?). Anyway. I also got Acid Pro (cracked) - but never used it more than once (liked Fruity too much). I may buy Acid though, cos I can see how it might be superior for drum n bass or breakbeat.. possibly. Cubase looks like Acid Pro does it not? Am I correct in thinking that Reason, and Fruity are very different ways opf doing things from the norm. I asume the norm is Cubase (am I naturally supposed to progress onto that?). It seems to me that electronic music making has many camps. Cubase with real synths seems to be the purist way from what I understand. Fruity is seen as cheeky, and Reason seen as good but not purist. Surely, sometimes you cannot tell? How many tunes are out there are made with basic setups? I know Ingo once used Acid Pro 2. I have just bought Reason and find that I now miss the idea of being able to use vsts. However, I still love what it is - it's huge. Fruity is my first love.. and I suspect when I mess round with cubase - I will still prefer Reason/Fruity. I hear Cubase is difficult to learn? Then again, I have never seen Cubase running or used it. I have neither downloaded the crack or the demo. Thankyou for answering the question. I got to get back to my application form. 2 much time on my hands. cubase is a midi and audio sequencer .. I alsways thought that acid pro is basically just for arranging sample loops aint it? (audio loops .. bleh .. hate em .. lol) .. In answer to your question, this site and maybe bluelife audio (do a google search for that name) are good places to start .. I also bought a copy of "Electronica Dance Music Programming Secrets" - ISBN 0-13-083696-6 - its a good starting point for basics like gating, midi setup, using sequencers and synth hardware .. which patches and sounds are indicative of which genres and sub genres etc etc .. its only about 30 quid in the UK so i guess is about $45 something like that ..
electronic	Posted: 18th April 2002 12:33
	quote: Originally posted by no3y3h4nd: [QUOTE]Originally posted by master bates: [qb] "Electronica Dance Music Programming Secrets" - ISBN 0-13-083696-6 - its a good starting point for basics like gating, midi setup, using sequencers and synth hardware .. which patches and sounds are indicative of which genres and sub genres etc etc .. its only about 30 quid in the UK so i guess is about $45 something like that .. Damn! Can't download the book on winmx.. (I am joking!!!). Thanks - I'll go to Amazon. I have copied all replies into my word fruity manual!! Even Whyte Rabbit's!!
whyterabbyt	Posted: 18th April 2002 12:34
	Tronam quothBoy WhyteRabbyt, this really is a crusade for you isn't it? I'm coding perl and monitoring students for misuse of facilities in other windows; doing this helps me think...
Tronam	Posted: 18th April 2002 12:39
	quote: Originally posted by WhyteRabbyt: Tronam quothBoy WhyteRabbyt, this really is a crusade for you isn't it? I'm coding perl and monitoring students for misuse of facilities in other windows; doing this helps me think... Hehehe... [ 18 April 2002, 15:41: Message edited by: Tronam ]
electronic	Posted: 18th April 2002 12:43
	quote: Originally posted by WhyteRabbyt: monitoring students for misuse of facilities in other windows:) How come the university's don't stop the students using p2p's? It's rife.
deWaverley	Posted: 18th April 2002 12:50
	master b - You should find Computer Music in your newsagent (but it's £5.50 mind, so you might want to photocopy it down the library ...that was a wind-up by the way ) It's excellent for beginners (though less & less good for anyone else...(except students of "way-over-designing" things)..IMO..but that's another story for another thread. Good luck... and believe me, it may seem complex...but it's nothing like as complex as earning the sort of money I had to to buy a few basic tools when I started out 20 yrs ago ........aye it were tough like you wouldn't believe . Plus you can learn an awful lot from just READING here...but do post some of your music when you're up and running (............and we'll nick it ) deW
TristezaOrange	Posted: 18th April 2002 12:59
	ohh, deWaverley, Im so jealous!!!! How do you make all those moving Graemlins???? i LOVE THEM. Please teach me some! I also liked the one with the red ball jumping up and down and clapping... thanks
vectron	Posted: 18th April 2002 13:08
	Master Bates, Here is my quick run down for programs you have mentioned in your previous post. Cubase/Logic - are good when you’re using external hardware instruments, so you can compose a midi track in your sequencer and record back the audio into your program. You can also use VST, and in case of Cubase, a ReWire to bring Reason sounds into your sequencer. Those are for more professional users, and will take a long time to learn Reason - as you might of noticed, is good way to compose a track with a professional sound, but your are limited to its sound bank samples, there is not VST support, and its gets tricky when you're writing your own loops. The experience that I have with Reason, its harder to write a song in segments, you have to write the whole track at once. Acid Pro – good to arrange your loops. Again, its good for arranging, not actually creating. You can make loops in Fruity, or get them off the web, and then import into Acid. Fruity Loops/Orion Pro - those are the best when you are using VSTi instruments and other samples (like wav, sf2, xi). Personally, I'm Fruity Loops user. I make all of my songs from start to finish in Fruity. It’s the easiest and the fastest way to put your music idea into a computer. You can easily write your drum tracks/loops, bass loops, and melody. Listen to all segment separately to get them sound the way you want, and linked them together in the song. FL3.4 is incredible, and I just can't wait till FL3.5!!!
whyterabbyt	Posted: 18th April 2002 13:19
	How come the university's don't stop the students using p2p's? It's rife. On my systems, I do stop it. [ 18 April 2002, 16:20: Message edited by: WhyteRabbyt ]
deWaverley	Posted: 18th April 2002 13:19
	OT: Tris..wouldn't you like to know...? ...But seriously...I've got to go out now, but I'll email you the full story when I get back. deW
electronic	Posted: 18th April 2002 13:20
	quote: Originally posted by vectron: Fruity Loops/Orion Pro - those are the best when you are using VSTi instruments and... You mean there is another program called Orion??????? Good point about using fruity loops in Acid.. I shall try that. I guess I had some wrong assumtions.. I also now understand Cubase. I think I am goijng in the direction of software only... it appeals to me to have my computer do everything... You might like what I am making. I shall post something soon.
vectron	Posted: 18th April 2002 13:29
	yes, Orion Pro is another program which is not bad for VSTi sequencing. In my personal opinion, Fruity is much better than Orion. Oh boy, its probably a matter of seconds before BONES will join this conversation Anyway, I don't want to tell you what to use and spread my biased opinion. Myself, I used all of those programs, and found Fruity to be the most productive and easier to use. It took me awhile to decide between Fruity vs Orion, and the decision factor for me was how quickly I can compose and edit loops/songs in one vs the other. In the end, Fruity is still the KING!
no3y3h4nd	Posted: 18th April 2002 13:31
	quote: Originally posted by master bates: quote: Originally posted by no3y3h4nd: [QUOTE]Originally posted by master bates: [qb] "Electronica Dance Music Programming Secrets" - ISBN 0-13-083696-6 - its a good starting point for basics like gating, midi setup, using sequencers and synth hardware .. which patches and sounds are indicative of which genres and sub genres etc etc .. its only about 30 quid in the UK so i guess is about $45 something like that .. Damn! Can't download the book on winmx.. (I am joking!!!). Thanks - I'll go to Amazon. I have copied all replies into my word fruity manual!! Even Whyte Rabbit's!! np
crimsonwarlock	Posted: 18th April 2002 13:39
	Hey Vectron, quote: Oh boy, its probably a matter of seconds before BONES will join this conversation You better beware, Bones is not alone you know...
vectron	Posted: 18th April 2002 13:47
	I know that To be honest, I'm still not giving up on Orion. Will have to do some re-evaluation when O-Platinum will be released. Until than, Fruity is still on a top of my list.
Dingo865	Posted: 18th April 2002 15:30
	quote: Originally posted by deWaverley: OT: Tris..wouldn't you like to know...? ...But seriously...I've got to go out now, but I'll email you the full story when I get back. deW I'd be MOST interested in it too!!! Unless these are trade secrets, of course... It seems like you simply inserted gif images via a link, but how do you make these images? Thanks,
Teksonik	Posted: 18th April 2002 15:45
	Anyone who has cracked software is in possesion of stolen merchandise.It is a crime.Just because I don't know how to ride a motorcycle does it mean I can steal one until I learn to ride?That is completely ignorant thinking on your part MB.I request that anyone admitting to the crime of theft should be banned from this site.His e-mail transmissions should be traced and he should be arrested.I will post no more on this thread. [ 18 April 2002, 18:46: Message edited by: Marc555 ]
electronic	Posted: 18th April 2002 16:03
	quote: Originally posted by Marc555: Anyone who has cracked software is in possesion of stolen merchandise.It is a crime.Just because I don't know how to ride a motorcycle does it mean I can steal one until I learn to ride?That is completely ignorant thinking on your part MB.I request that anyone admitting to the crime of theft should be banned from this site.His e-mail transmissions should be traced and he should be arrested.I will post no more on this thread. Don't you think you are taking this a bit far? I do. Cracking is a crime. Nuff said. I can't talk about it anymore - or I risk being banned. Juno will get my money. Halion people will not - cos I don't like that plugin synth. I'll delete it to keep my folders nice. But please, you are now sounding so moralistic.. I am the computer generation. I enjoy the thrill of stealing cracked programs. However, I do eventually buy. I don't want the makers of stuff I like to dissapear. Cracked software was the only software in use at university. Sure arrest me. I await the knock on my door. It's a fair cop guv'! Peeeerlease.
manytone	Posted: 18th April 2002 16:19
	Big Bad Forum Cop Manytone, Closing another. Enough of these Back and Forth Posts. Master Bates .... I have never seen anyone post so many posts in 1 day as you ... I hope you understand now what this Forum and Site are about. People are here to help and it is a great community. Lets try and keep it like that. Paul

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