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Originally posted by kevvvvv:
Try looking at Vaz. It's even the right colour

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Actually Martin claims that the inspiration for the original VAZ voice architecture came from the Arp Odyssey.

I actually own one of the Grey 2600s. I picked it up in a pawn shop in LA years ago without a keyboard. This was before all this analog mania hit so I got it for about $100.00US. Unfortunately I don't really play with it much since I've become obsessed with "Soft-Synths".

BTW, I don't know if any of you guys have played with it but the Korg MS2000 (which is a blast to play with) has features that are frighteningly similar to VAZ 2001.

JV

[ 17 April 2002, 19:33: Message edited by: John Vulich ]

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Originally posted by MadGav:
(MS2000) Or VAZ+ come to that...I was tickled when I first demoed the MS

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Well, seeing how uncooperative they were with ReFX over the rights to the Wavestation... I think you ought to make them pay a license fee for taking some ideas from your work.

My 2 cents worth.

JV

[ 17 April 2002, 13:13: Message edited by: John Vulich ]

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Originally posted by MadGav:
(MS2000) Or VAZ+ come to that...I was tickled when I first demoed the MS

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Well, seeing how uncooperative they were with ReFX over the rights to the Wavestation... I think you ought to make them pay a license fee for taking some ideas from your work.

My 2 cents worth.

JV

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Originally posted by Sogo:
er what part of the MS2000 is based on the the MS20?? ummmm it is a subtractive synth???

sorry I own an MS20, and I have to say that while the MS2000 is lots of fun to play with it has nothing in common with its predecessor of over 20 years ago. The MS20 is a nasty filthy sewer rat ( I love it really ) with loads of character, whereas the MS2000 fits very nicely in with the slew of other modern retro synths (ie a bit lacking in the character department).

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Hence the term "virtual analog model". I would never presume it to be a remake of such an old synth... it's more like an impression. Obviously, no current digital VA synth will truly compare to a classic like the MS20, but I think the MS2000 does pay homage to the MS heritage in it's design. Besides, this wasn't the point of the discussion. The question was, what exactly did Korg apparently "borrow" from VAZ in designing the MS2000 that makes John feel Korg owes royalties to VAZ Designs? I'm not seeing the connection at all. Umm, they are both digital models of subtractive analog synthesizers with oscillators and filters?

-Tronam

[ 17 April 2002, 17:35: Message edited by: Tronam ]

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Originally posted by Tronam:
And which ideas or features in particular are you referring to? The MS2000 is (for the most part) a virtual analog amalgam of 3 of their previous hardware units... The classic late 70's patchable MS20 monophonic synthesizer, VC-10 vocoder and SQ10 step sequencer. Plus, they included 64 digital waveforms originally introduced in their DW-6000 and made it polyphonic. It's "virtual patch" capabilities simulate the kinds of routing flexibility you used to have on the MS20.

Anyways, I own the MS2000R and have used demos of VAZ Modular and VAZ 1.7+. Perhaps I'm dense, but I fail to see the similarities. They both have step sequencers?? Even the color schemes are different. MS2000r being forest green and VAZ black/orange. Am I missing something?

-Tronam

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Well, for starters, I’m just kidding around with any implication that Korg may have taken some ideas from VAZ… then again, you never know.

That being said, the two instruments do have a very similar voice architecture. In addition to the standard analog style waveforms, they both have hard sync, ring mod, FM and some form of wavetable synthesis. Both have multimode filters. They are also both semi-modular in their patch routing abilities and also have arppegiators.

Other than that, I think the most dramatic similarity between the two is the mod sequencing abilities that they both share. They both employ step sequencers that can be used to trigger different elements of a patch such as filter modulation etc.

I've only played around with an MS2000 a bit in a friends studio. It's one of the few bits of hardware that I have actually toyed around with the idea of buying lately. But I already have so many wonderfull toys (K2000, Arp 2600, MiniMoog, Oberhiem Xpander etc.) in my studio gathering dust, that I decided against it. I'm just altogether too addicted to the idea of have a recording studio conveniently built into my laptop.

JV

[ 17 April 2002, 18:28: Message edited by: John Vulich ]

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Originally posted by MadGav:
Tronam: The "similarity" is nothing more than a vague equivalence in features, but when I first played an MS-2000 I did think it was pretty close to the VAZ+ feature set compared to other VA machines. And no, I can't see any way in which Korg owe me anything!

Martin

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Ahh, well they are both definitely wonderful synths. From what I have seen of the VAZ Modular demo, I'm sure VAZ 2001 is really top notch. If it's step sequencer is anything like VM's then it's the best one I've ever used. Who would have thought that step-record would be such a rare thing for a step-sequencer?? It's brilliant.

-Tronam

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Originally posted by realmarco:
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Dude, maybe all of us here at K-V-R can pitch and help you get a PC

JV