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Author	Topic: ...Too...Many...VSTs...
BrainDanceR	Posted: 12th June 2002 12:54
	While I love VSTs and the sheer hugeness of choice we have, does anyone else feel there is just so many of them, and they are all evolving so fast? I mean, when you buy a new VST, something bigger and better comes out the next month, and you feel like you should have waited? At least when you have hardware it feels like it lasts so much longer Or it is just me?
Scot Solida	Posted: 12th June 2002 13:03
	There certainly are a lot, but you know, I enjoy being spoiled by choice. When I started making music in the late seventies, all I had to choose from were the very small handful of monosynths. Granted I got a LOT out of that monosynth, but I certainly would rather have the vast selection of VSTis to choose from. They are inexpensive enough that I can choose to use the ones that are intuitive, while ignoring the ones that don't "click" with me. Who can ever forget FORCING ourselves to learn hexadecimal just to be able to loop a sample on the Mirage, simply because it was the only sampler we could afford? Plus, because of the relative low price of production, the VSTis are improving at a frightening pace, and we also get some experimental things that wouldn't be practical to market in hardware form (Angelina, anyone?). Keep 'em coming, I say. We won't be overwhelmed. We have the willpower to master the ones that are to our liking.
Red	Posted: 12th June 2002 13:04
	In many respects, its like buying a new computer - you know theres gonna be a bigger and better one to make yours obsolete within a month, but if you wait for the next big thing, you'll end up waiting forever and never get any music done!
Takk	Posted: 12th June 2002 13:21
	quote: Originally posted by Red: In many respects, its like buying a new computer - you know theres gonna be a bigger and better one to make yours obsolete within a month, but if you wait for the next big thing, you'll end up waiting forever and never get any music done! ... or you spend all day downloading new & improved vsti's and still don't get any music done
progfusion74	Posted: 12th June 2002 13:42
	With VSTs I find I have to fight natural geek tendencies to get as much as I can, vs. more sensible things like "What can I afford" and "What do I need". Kinda like being a gearhead and having evey vintage keyboard in the world
topaz	Posted: 12th June 2002 13:54
	it,s the same as hardware new and better will allways be.. hey just hit the stop button if your happy with what you have.. quote: Originally posted by BrainDanceR: While I love VSTs and the sheer hugeness of choice we have, does anyone else feel there is just so many of them, and they are all evolving so fast? I mean, when you buy a new VST, something bigger and better comes out the next month, and you feel like you should have waited? At least when you have hardware it feels like it lasts so much longer Or it is just me?
Rabid	Posted: 12th June 2002 14:49
	Better too many than too few. I love it though I do have to move away from the computer to get any music writing done. I can spend $2000 for a Motif 76, or I can buy SonicSynth, FM7, Pentagon I, JunoX2, DR-008, a computer, sequencer and cheap controller. I don't even consider buying expensive keyboards anymore. I LOVE IT. Robert
Nuisances Sonores	Posted: 12th June 2002 16:54
	definitely same as above ... Too many and sprouting = always heaven !!! Redundant and / or lacking time to fully use them ... bugger Sort them to your priorities but never really discard them totally , they may be of some use one day ...
wildbillonthenet	Posted: 12th June 2002 17:04
	I think that we spend too much time worrying about if we have the latest patch, or update. We dont actually sit down and learn the plugin or keybourd inside out. It 200 times better to know your equpiment inside out and do clever 'unique' things with them rather that spend all day getting eyestrain looking at a screen and downloading the latest 'preset sounds' that someone else has made. Take junglist plugin for example, great looking syth, but the sounds are used by all the other 10000 million people who have it, you wont get in the charts without being 'unique'. People like fat boy slim, prodigy, they have SKILL, cos they know their equip inside out. thats my say in this cool forum, i still need replies on my 'strings sound'. WB
putte	Posted: 12th June 2002 17:12
	quote: Originally posted by Scot Solida: Keep 'em coming, I say. We won't be overwhelmed. We have the willpower to master the ones that are to our liking. wowow, Scot - can I use these words as lyrics for a song?? I love these sentences.... (lolo...maybe thats because i am german...) putte
Teksonik	Posted: 12th June 2002 17:16
	You can never be too rich,too thin or have too many Vsti's
WilliamK	Posted: 12th June 2002 17:30
	Remember the old days? When having 20 keyboards, 40 sound-modules was the ideal on a good studio? Well, that time is back now, on the computer. Each VST has its own good sounds, but not ALL you want. So you usually need more than one to make a good song. Let's say you use only a VST to make an entire song. I bet it will suck in terms of sound. But if you use multiple synths, and on each one you grab the best sound, you will have a masterpiece. I have a friend in Brazil that did some songs almost 10 years ago using famous synths like AlphaJuno2, TX81Z, D110, D50. And even if I listen today, it sounds good. Why? He used only the BEST stuff on each synth, listen yourself: Wellington at Mp3.com Regards, WilliamK
whyterabbyt	Posted: 12th June 2002 19:24
	I disagree with wildbill. If you have 20 synths, and 100 effects, its much easier to get new sounds without even -trying-. Patch in two synths you like to the same MIDI channel. Send them to an Aux group, and process the group with 2 or 3 effects processes. Even if each plugin only comes with 10 presets, thats already 10,000 different possible 'composite' patches. Now tweak the presets on one or two a bit, and on one or two of the others quite radically. I betcha a lot of what you come up with that way -doesnt- sound like what everyone else does.
Moritz Morpheus MkIII	Posted: 12th June 2002 22:54
	there are so many different tastes, different ways to work and different people programming software for music...I think any variety is good for everybody...so I think there can�t be too much... but I agree that we sometimes tend to care too much about updates and new SW instead of being creative, nowadays.. sooo, Putte, can you use any of these for you lyrics? a big tralala, moritz
donkey tugger	Posted: 12th June 2002 22:57
	quote: Originally posted by putte: quote: Originally posted by Scot Solida: Keep 'em coming, I say. We won't be overwhelmed. We have the willpower to master the ones that are to our liking. wowow, Scot - can I use these words as lyrics for a song?? I love these sentences.... (lolo...maybe thats because i am german...) putte Slargen Schnitzenlklargen, ja? Nine das hose blitzenslargz?
Moritz Morpheus MkIII	Posted: 12th June 2002 23:02

Scot Solida	Posted: 12th June 2002 23:34
	Putte... Wow. I'm honored! Um, yeah, use the words...Kind of ominous when taken out of context...
Tarkus	Posted: 13th June 2002 01:05
	quote: Originally posted by wildbillonthenet: People like fat boy slim, prodigy, they have SKILL, cos they know their equip inside out. WB yeah. and they usually have rather limited/silly equipment. Fatboy slim for example still uses Atari ST computer. And Prodigy have used Roland W-30 sampler on all of their records extensively. (it has only 2 megs of ram, if I remember correctly) and Liam Howlett has three of them. But I think why he does music with it, it is the fact that he knows the machine inside out.
BONES	Posted: 13th June 2002 06:34
	Whilst I agree with the sentiment of the thread I think that there are only too many VSTi if you allow yourself to be distracted by them. I find that I eventually get around to trying out most of the new synth demos but unless they stir something inside me straight away I don't leave them in my VST folder for more than a few days. Right now I am completely happy with my arsenal of synths and I really can't imagine what could burst onto the scene that would interest me enough to have me reaching for the ol' MasterCard. I feel that I could quite happily make music forever with my current instruments. Now that I have successfully culled all of the synths that I only ever used on rare occassions [no more CronoX, Tau Pro, QuadraSID] I have a really usable, no-nonsense set-up that will do anything that I might want to do with it.
Ford Prefect	Posted: 14th June 2002 15:09
	Here's another way to look at it. It's like food. There are certain mainstays in your food choices and your restaurant choices, but most people( reasonable people) are up for something new. If you live with parents or with a wife or whoever, regardless of the chef's skill, something new is always a treat. Now if you overload on new and exciting foods, your just gonna become a confused fat slob. So test out new stuff as time allows without becoming so maladjusted that you're checking every half hour to see if any new free vst effects or instruments are out. We all have lives with loved ones, friends, and jobs(well, some of us) so find the balance. There will always be somebody with more, newer, bigger, and better toys, but greed can ruin you and distort your take on reality and priorities. If can step back and breathe, your music will probably benefit from it...
Rabid	Posted: 14th June 2002 16:36
	quote: Originally posted by Ford Prefect: Here's another way to look at it. It's like food.... Good analogy. I seem to be settling in on certain programs and sounds (my meat and potatoes). For me to consider a VST/DXi now it needs a special sound. Crystal, Andelina, JunoX2 and other similar synths are good for adding something special in the background or on the side. Robert
frozentitan	Posted: 14th June 2002 19:00
	There can never be too many for me. Only too many hours spent reading about them, downloading them, playing with them, and searching for more of them. I never get anything done! Grr... Of course, when I'm done spending time on VSTs I start looking at the latest audio cards, mics, and other audio equipment I can't afford, but desperately need to plan ahead for so that when I am ready, there will be newer, better, and cheaper products available. So, all my hard work researching will be in vain. Of course, I will eventually make a purchase and then begin playing with it and go back to playing with my VSTs since I can't remember what I learned previously and by the time I know how to use my new equipment I'm ready for something new. Why can't I ever get any music written and completed? Oh, the woes of being a musician. It's such a hard life.
soupdevil	Posted: 14th June 2002 20:20
	That's why places like this are so invaluable.
kritikon	Posted: 14th June 2002 21:59
	There's no such thing as too much choice for sound sources - I remember when every spare penny I had went on buying up analogue synths (of course the up-side was that I couldn't buy one very often, so I had lots of chance to learn each one well) Nowadays I can buy a whole load more different sounding synths cheaply via VSTi and have money left over to actually have a life as well - it's bloody marvellous! And it's too easy to get into the "i must have the latest gadget" obsession. Take a PC - when you buy one, you buy it with certain functions in mind, and it will still do those things 10 years from now - I used my Atari for ages until I needed to go to audio recording. It did exactly what I bought it for up to the end (sniff...), and the VSTis you buy will do their thing years from now - if you like them stick with them. Hardware keyboards - people sell their old ones because the new ones have double the polyphony etc...etc. How many fingers have you got to play with for god's sake? If it has 10 note polyphony then you can't use the other voices because you run out of fingers. If a VSTi sounds good, there's no reason to want a different one just because it's newer - the old one still sounds just as good as it ever did - in fact some will no doubt be destined to be classics in a few years time, that everyone wants to own again! Still doesn't stop me wanting to own every one ever programmed though!
bluedad	Posted: 14th June 2002 22:26
	I remember when (this is the dad in me) I was very poor, and had just bought a Chroma Polaris. Just after that, the DX7 came out, and for the next three years all I could do was look at the pages of Keyboard Mag and drool. (well, I still do..) well times have changed..I'm still poor, but vst's are so cheap, if I hear someone raving about it, and I decide I want it, then I allow myself to have it. Obsessive, yes..but I still haven't allowed myself to buy Absynth, Kontakt or Virsyn Terra (yet). But if I get drunk enough and have credit card at hand, hehe...anything could happen. bluedad
BrainDanceR	Posted: 17th June 2002 21:23
	quote: Originally posted by Rabid: quote: Originally posted by Ford Prefect: Here's another way to look at it. It's like food.... Is that why my end product is always shit?

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