Any developers in the process of creating somthing like this? Its PCM based I think. Great for trance, drum & base and rap.

Anyone know of a source for the origional PCMs for this machine? Ill then try my best to recreate this, whether it be a sampler bank or a synthedit machine.

a bit of a backward step, theres so many 303 type synths already..

then there,s rebirth.

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Originally posted by JRocc:
Any developers in the process of creating somthing like this? Its PCM based I think. Great for trance, drum & base and rap.

Anyone know of a source for the origional PCMs for this machine? Ill then try my best to recreate this, whether it be a sampler bank or a synthedit machine.

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well i think its kind of a neat idea.. but

you're talking about company made, company owned samples

i would think there would be some severe copyright issues with this idea..

and i think roland would frown upon this idea too...

He said an MC-303, not the TB-303. In the second case, yes, we have too many 303 Vstis

A buddy of mine has an MC-307 and I can't think of one thing that thing can do as far as sounds go that can be done a lot better with VSTis already. Maybe it would be nice to have it all in one box, but we already have just about everything else in it, with better sound, and more flexibility. Though that pitch/tempo slider thing is indeed fun to play with.

I'm pretty sure that in the next couple of months a mamoth of a beatbox/groovebox vsti will appear on our doorsteps

Actually I'm positive of this

Can't say any more than "wait a little while"

[ 17 June 2002, 03:05: Message edited by: mr. tunes ]

Of course mc303 is a rompler pattern sequencer module, but as far as "303" vstis go, I dont see why everyone thinks there's "too many 303 vstis" when *none* of the acid mono synths (vsti at least) sound like a real 303..except maybe one that everyone overlooks.. haha

As far as mc303.. go buy one used, they are as cheap as an expensive vsti, and you wont see a vsti of them because they're a very recent roland product of a product line that's still being developed today. A vsti of the same type of sequencer as the mc series, might not be bad, but you probobly won't see a clone of that machine any time soon.

[ 17 June 2002, 03:27: Message edited by: exponent ]

>Hey exponent - are you alluding to a 303 VSTi synth that everyone overlooks? If so, please let me know what it is.

I was referring to aska switch. It is a mono bass synth that u*cking rules for acid or even subbass. Its not exactly 303, more unique, but the filter has that squelch very subtle near max resonance. I'm not saying you or anyone else would like it but i do.

>For me, as far as getting a perfect 303 emulation all I can say is "Ho Hum!".

I know what you mean but..
Maybe that's because you don't want something with the 303 sound to begin with.. i always hear you raving about tau pro, and i think it's not all that great for what i do.

>Whenever I listen to Kriminals' tracks I don't feel deprived of a real 303 and I think his 303 sound is produced by Bazzline in Orion which I don't even like as much as the Tau.

The reason you dont feel deprived is that bazzline sounds at least 75% like the real thing, there are places where it dosent, but it sounds twice as much like a 303 as any vsti. Tau is a really cool synth and i do use it and like it, but it cant do the (exact) 303 sound, it has it's own sound like the other acid vstis, dave is gonna adresss that sometime i guess and that would be cool.

>Maybe I'm just not a 303 purist or something.

I'm not an anything purist, i can appreciate any synth which works well for what it is, but i love the sound of a 303, it can (and has) be used in so many ways in electronic music, because it has an extreeemly acidic and distinct sound, and from listening to so many old house, ambient dub, early idm, etc types of records i am farmilar with the organic, dynamic, and precise pumping sound of real 303s and i would like to see a true emulation in a vsti, even though bazzline is almost there.. if a synth claims to be a 303 emulator and it dosent sound like one, it's just a limited monosynth without a fully accurate emulation. I'm not saying the vsti acid mono synths arent cool or dont sound good, they all sound different, which is good, but none of them sound like the classic acid synth. I realize developers probobly would rather give an acid synth it's own sound than try to be an exact 303 and i understand why.
A lot of elitists think 303 is the most tired thing there is and that everyone should move on from acid sounds, i think good for them, but i really dont care, if people like a sound, they use it, and i think it still has a relevent place in electronic music as an instrument.

>As for an MC box emulation I kinda think who cares, but obviously someone does or otherwise it wouldn't have been asked.

Yeah, you can do the same thing an mc303 does in a sequencer with some good drum sampler and some compressed multisamples in a sampler, so i dont see the point either, except i guess a lot of people find the interface/sequencing inspiring. BTW the grooveboxes are another one of the big targets of the elitist segment... "toys, instant techno" etc etc, you know the drill.. hehe

P.S. sorry for hijacking the thread, continue on guys, ignore us.. haha

[ 18 June 2002, 00:02: Message edited by: exponent ]

The problem with a virtual mc303 is that you won't be able to turn it into something useful like an ashtray.

Tau pro sounds a bit like an MC303, lot more useable though

MC 303 is nothing like the TB 303 although the MC has a few similar sounding presets.

Do Roland have the right to copyright a sound contained in their groovboxes? If I made soundfonts of MC presets would I be in trouble?

Obviously the sequencing bit is pointless to use inside somthing like Orion but in Cubase it would be useful. I havent heard any VSTi that sounds like this. Most vstis are using analogue synthesis stuff, this just uses samples (some of analogue gear -yes).

OK it wont have that much flexability in creating new patches but how cool would it be to have the whole Roland MC series of sounds sitting in your VSTi host?

I dont know one trance/techno producer that hasent used one of these.

With Rolands take on the VSTi scene I cant see them ever getting round to making these modules or even wanting to.

tau sound very close to the tb-303...

all tb-303 sound different , even the same tb will sound diff' after being on for a few hours...

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"*none* of the acid mono synths (vsti at least) sound like a real 303.."

do you even own one? have you ever seen/touched one?

hey wasn't Daft Punk's debut album made entirely on an MC-303?

Daft Punks first album, thats probably true. I bet every commercial dance type of artist used an MC 303 when it fist came out. I still think its got some wicked sounds even though it came out around 96. £350 for basically samples, sequencer and simple simple filters aint that cheap. A Rompler type VSTi of this machine with or without the sequencer would be great.

BTW the 'Red Box' thing I was onabout the other day is a Roland EF-303

One of things I liked about the MC 303 was the selection of good starting patterns/phrases sadly missing from most vst’s.
Actually I’ve been meaning to ask for some time but has anyone ever exported the phrases and patterns from the mc-303 and made them available on internet?

dum de dum..

[ 18 June 2002, 01:39: Message edited by: exponent ]

It is most definitely illegal to use samples of Roland's PCM instruments without permission from Roland. I can tell you first hand that they protect their products and intellectual products ferociously.

Anyone attempting any VSTi of a Roland instrument (especially any sample based one) will be asking for legal trouble and a boatload of headaches.

spectrum

Originally posted by spectrum:
>It is most definitely illegal to use samples of Roland's PCM instruments without permission from Roland. I can tell you first hand that they protect their products and intellectual products ferociously.

With a commercial/distributed product, of course.. any of us with experience of watching the vsti scene (or just having common sense) know how that works, just look at nexus for example. Sample-based synth clones arent really an option. Who the heck wants one anyway?

If only we were all as lucky as you to have worked on sound design for roland gear! How fun! (Although i was just a kid when most of the analog stuff was at its peak haha )

[ 18 June 2002, 01:40: Message edited by: exponent ]