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Author	Topic: DS-404
Red	Posted: 5th July 2002 07:29

autodafe	Posted: 5th July 2002 08:13
	looks great...in which issue? is it free with the mag, as always? who developed it? Muon? bye
Jambo	Posted: 5th July 2002 08:30
	Ooooooh!!! Come to papa!!
Red	Posted: 5th July 2002 08:37
	Loverly innit? Issue 50 (its our birfday!) 31st July 2002. Double CD issue - usual stuff on one and DS-404 exclusive on another with 640MB of cracking pro sampler patches in .404 format. We wont ever be able to run the patches again cause of space restrictions, so this is your only chance to get em
acidman	Posted: 5th July 2002 08:48
	Will they be on your website though?
acidman	Posted: 5th July 2002 08:49
	Looks lovely by the way. And all for nowt (apart from the cost of the mag)
M_W_N_P	Posted: 5th July 2002 08:50
	quote: Originally posted by acidman: Will they be on your website though? Um...a 640 mb download? Yikes!
acidman	Posted: 5th July 2002 08:52
	I'm assuming it's not just one big .404 file!
Red	Posted: 5th July 2002 08:53
	Yeah, not very practical to have the patches on our website - they are huge. We'll see... An yeah, its developed by Muon so expect quality. heres a comment Dave made on our forum: "It's 16 way multitimbral but each timbre has its 32 note polyphony. If your CPU is up to it therefore this thing is 512 voice polyphonic. Might have to wait for those 3giga Athlons first though The filters are not quite the same as CM101/SR202 but are clearly from the same family. You'll also notice that there are bandpass, bandreject and a couple of new ones (peak and lowpass/notch) too. This is a powerful piece of kit and no mistake. The screenshot that we can't show you yet is the keymap editor (which is where you map samples to the keyboard). We're just putting some finishing touches to it so that'll be along a little later. Kind regards Dave Muon Software Ltd http://www.muon-software.com " [ 05 July 2002, 11:56: Message edited by: Red ]
TristezaOrange	Posted: 5th July 2002 08:54
	OMG! It looks absolutely lovely[that was the case with CM-101 too, I sometimes loaded it just to have it on screen and look at it, seriously... ]. And Im sure it's going to be cracking in use too!
Muon Software Ltd	Posted: 5th July 2002 10:04
	quote: However, and here comes the spoilt brat whinge! The .404 sample format being another proprietary format kind of sucks. The thing is, there are very few sample formats that translate well from one audio platform to another. If you've tried to load a giga file into Halion or a soundfont it will in most cases sound only vaguely similar to the software the patch was originally developed for!! DS404 has no import facilities except for raw WAV and AIFF. The editing is pretty straightforward and with the huge user base this thing is going to reach I expect to see patches cropping up all over the place just like SR202 kits. I would say that CM will no doubt feature 404 banks on their CD and on their site for some time to come too. We here at Muon will also be releasing premium-quality content for seperate purchase and I don't think we'll be the only ones. When you think of just how many people are going to get a copy of this I don't think other soundware developer will be able to ignore it :-) quote: Also, two things you haven't mentioned (after all 16 part multitimbral is enough to knock me on my arse already), how many VST audio channels out? And are there multiple velocity layers available? DS404 has the same outputs as SR202 - one stereo and four mono. The architecture is like this: You have 16 keymaps which contain note/velocity zones for your samples. In a patch you chose a keymap as your sound source, and then that feeds into the synthesis section. In this way, you could take a plain strings keymap (with note/vel splits and layers) and make lots of different patches with the filters etc. You can load up to 16 of these patches into DS404 and then set them on seperate MIDI channels and mix them down, or (which is a lot of fun) stack patches up on the same MIDI channel and play lush, lovely layers. Hope this helps Dave Muon Software Ltd www.muon-software.com
Scot Solida	Posted: 5th July 2002 10:57
	Holy Moly!!!!! The more you guys tell us about this the more I wonder if you have gone completely looney! This is probably the coolest thing that either CM or Muon has yet done, and that's saying something. It looks easy to use, functional, and as with all the Muon stuff, it's pleasing to the eye. Would you look at all those filter options! And an extra disc of sounds?!?!?! It's going to be a long three weeks waiting! I hope Dave and CM both know how much we appreciate what they do for us. Thanks, guys!
rachel	Posted: 5th July 2002 11:45
	The DS 404 looks brilliant! I hope my copy of CM Mag gets to me in Australia. I order mine in specially and the Newsagent holds it for me but I heard that CM didn't print enough of the sequencer special and a lot of OS buyers missed out. I hope you guys printed extra copies of the release that the DS 404 is on and of course of your VSTi special, so we Aussies can have it too!! Of course, I really should subscribe, but CM has a huge impost on overseas subscriptions that makes it very expensive as a lump sum outlay. Strange, because Australia is still a colony of the British Empire and we still have the Queen as our head of state. We should ask for recompense or a Republic!!! :wink: rachel
Caleb	Posted: 5th July 2002 11:59
	Wow Dave!!!!! This sounds amazing. I'm going to see if I can convince some people to buy Issue 50 of the magazine just because of the potential for them later on. In fact, maybe I can buy a few copies of the magazine and give them away to struggling musicians that I know. This may just be one of the most generous give aways.......ever! (edit - not mine Muon's and CM's) Then I think you should (in line with my suggestions about the amazing SR202) do an upgrade of it for a modest $30 fee and watch the bucks fly into Muon. Like a 16 VST channel output and maybe one or two other things. And selling some really professional sample sets is mega smart. Why is it that Muon always excites me more than nearly any other plug-in company? Because they're BLOODY generous and produce amazing instruments at a very low cost. [ 05 July 2002, 15:01: Message edited by: Caleb Blake ]
acidman	Posted: 5th July 2002 12:51
	It does look Muon-derful! (sorry)
drk_sum	Posted: 5th July 2002 18:43
	Best 25$ I'll ever spend.....
Funkybot	Posted: 5th July 2002 20:21
	THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!! I've been wanting to sample my Toypiano, I just did a bunch of tweaks to it to make it quieter, by putting felt everywhere it should have been, just so I could record with it, without the key noise. My next thing was actually going out and buying a sampler (just so I don't have to worry about micing it and that extra bit of noise I couldn't get rid of when I lift up the keys), but now I just have to buy CM. You guys do rock, and I still love the CM101. Red, will this be available for purchase from the website? It seems like sometimes you guys have issues with ordering the mag from their, and it's easier for us that live in the States to just order it from you, than wait like 6 weeks, then go hunting for the mag.
realmarco	Posted: 5th July 2002 20:43
	Ummmm, well hows the stability compared to SR-202(Mac and Pc) had to ask [ 05 July 2002, 23:44: Message edited by: realmarco ]
Muon Software Ltd	Posted: 5th July 2002 20:47
	DS404 has been thoroughly tested (and will be tested much further too over the next week). We're quite keen to avoid a repeat performance to be honest. As for SR202, we've found what we think is the root cause of the problem and it will be fixed as soon as DS404 leaves for the mastering plant. Kind regards Dave Muon Software Ltd www.muon-software.com
maz22	Posted: 5th July 2002 20:57
	And I hope when the bugs are fixed in the SR202, you make the GUI smaller as well. Hey, I've actually had no problems with the SR202, I just wish I didn't have to fiddle with my taskbar to access the bottom row of channels! Ok, I said I wouldn't buy CM anymore because it's redundancy, but here I am getting ready to go down to Barns and Noble!
Takk	Posted: 5th July 2002 21:03
	Whoah. Nice. I presume all those people that have posted recently stateing that CM is evil & behind the reason why Apple have taken over Emagic & the world will not be buying it for this then?
Caleb	Posted: 5th July 2002 21:17
	Hey, that looks like another Class "A" machine from Muon, but quite frankly, I never expect any less. God bless Muon! However, and here comes the spoilt brat whinge! The .404 sample format being another proprietary format kind of sucks. I know, it's a pathetic whinge in SO many ways. But if this sample gimme is going to be the only one, no one after Issue 50 is going to be in the running with this beast because they won't be able to access a back copy of the issue. OK, that's not the end of the world if they can get the samples from somewhere else...but they can't can they? So how is it all going to work? Has CM and/or Muon considered what the lifespan of this machine is actually going to be? As much as I agree that it should be all about making your own samples, the truth is (and we all know it) that people want to be able to get sample sets for there sampler already made. It doesn't look like this is going to be a viable option for a proprietary sample format like .404 .... or is it? Also, two things you haven't mentioned (after all 16 part multitimbral is enough to knock me on my arse already), how many VST audio channels out? And are there multiple velocity layers available? It looks positively scrumptious though and I'll be lining up for a copy believe me! Even though I've got soft samplers up to my eyeballs, I can't look past a Muon freebie!
xoxos	Posted: 5th July 2002 21:58
	big question is, can you modulate the loop points in realtime??
VitaminD	Posted: 5th July 2002 21:59
	what program did u make the gui (and knobs) with? hehe
xoxos	Posted: 5th July 2002 22:51
	erm.. upon rereading.. since you're still straightening out the code and it appears that it allows you to edit the loop point??? could you please leave that loop point value 'open..' not sure of the code exactly, but logic 'grabs' all 'untied up' variables and let's you automate them.. i'll be your best friend.. it's funny.. open up tobybear's 'helios' in logic and you get about 100 sliders from various variables... anyway. loop points. loop points. hold in release
realmarco	Posted: 6th July 2002 03:59
	good , CM50 is about to be bought by me. ..but could you make sure that the knobs are legible as opposed to SR-202 disapearing tidbits
Muon Software Ltd	Posted: 6th July 2002 07:47
	Sorry xoxos, but DS404 doesn't allow you to modulate sample parameters like loop points in real time. You have to play another note to hear the effect. All of the synthesis parameters have an immediate realtime effect though just as you'd expect. HTH Dave
Scratch	Posted: 6th July 2002 13:36
	Hi Dave from Muon or Red, Do you have a list of the patches that will be included?
ktelj	Posted: 6th July 2002 16:58
	this seems terrific, but does this mean there will be no further attempt to fix the never working correctly 202, which despite a beta release here and there, never overcame it's graphics bug on the mac [i don't know what ever became of it on the PC/but whenever you twiddled the knobs on the filters on the mac side it would crash] the filters on the 202 were cool as were the drumkits Id gotten but never got to use it for any amount of time... inquiring minds would like to know!
Collusion	Posted: 6th July 2002 17:11
	quote: Originally posted by Muon Software Ltd: As for SR202, we've found what we think is the root cause of the problem and it will be fixed as soon as DS404 leaves for the mastering plant. Kind regards Dave Muon Software Ltd ....from Dave's post earlier in the thread.
Moritz Morpheus MkIII	Posted: 6th July 2002 18:17
	nice one!..be shure that you send enough copies of CM to Austria, tough! Muon, wow! peace, Moritz aka Mösac
realkuhl	Posted: 6th July 2002 18:20
	Here in Sunny Southern California, when can we expect this issue of CM to be on the news stands ?? It usually takes a week or 2 for oversea magazines to show up... Just wondering - don't want to have to start camping down at my local Magazine Stand !! Sincerely, John Lehmkuhl
nøn ¬ dct	Posted: 6th July 2002 19:53
	quote: Originally posted by Red: Loverly innit? Issue 50 (its our birfday!) 31st July 2002. Double CD issue - usual stuff on one and DS-404 exclusive on another with 640MB of cracking pro sampler patches in .404 format. We wont ever be able to run the patches again cause of space restrictions, so this is your only chance to get em Hi Red, Sorry if it's off-topic but i have a little question... I'm french and I can remember the time when i bought CM (french edition) every mounths... was in 1999/2000 I think. (?) Does the french edition really is dead? If yes, is there a way for me to get a subscription for the english edition? How? I enjoyed to read your mag and that's too weird for me not to be able to buy it anymore. Happy birthday to CM by the way. cheers.
bitshift	Posted: 6th July 2002 20:02
	Skippy/John, We get them in NYC about 6-7 weeks after the UK newsstand date.... I would imagine it's similar for the rest of the US as well. I finally gave up and got a subscription after getting to B&N too late a couple times. Usually gets here a couple days after the UK newsstand date. More loops, please. Art [ 06 July 2002, 23:04: Message edited by: bitshift ]
monohm	Posted: 6th July 2002 20:14
	Hey Moritz... Where in Vienna would i find a copy of CM? I haven't bought a music magazine for years.....
Moritz Morpheus MkIII	Posted: 6th July 2002 20:45
	quote: Originally posted by baxterwingnut: Hey Moritz... Where in Vienna would i find a copy of CM? I haven't bought a music magazine for years..... hey baxterwingnut!! viennese invasion, hehe! I´m pretty shure that you get CM at following places: westbahnhof-big bookstore in the basement, or at amadeus-bookshop at maryhelp-street , or...hmm...last chance at the airport.. let´s hope this is true.... peace, moritz
jeanmaricannie	Posted: 7th July 2002 11:37
	Why did you have to call it DS-404 ? You know there's a TS-404 in Fruityloops do you ? Not that I care that much but you know this is gonna raise the inevitable : "Is this de new TS-404" questions. Especially since we updated the TS-404 in FL 3.5. Please be a little more careful in the future. See ya, jmc (Fruityloops) [ 07 July 2002, 14:39: Message edited by: JMC[Fruityloops] ]
prophet	Posted: 7th July 2002 12:10
	well jean, its only a natural progression of their vst-i line, since they began with CM101 (which was a very suitable name if you think about it) then on to SR202 and so on. it was obvious that they would have to progress to a 404, no matter what the initials, it would still resemble the ts 404 name. but you are aware that the TS404 name isnt original at all (as well as the computer music ones) its supposed to sound similar to the roland line of synths SH101, tb303, tr909, mc303 etc. so really theres no point in complaining about a name that sounds like yours, when yours sounds like something else.
TristezaOrange	Posted: 7th July 2002 12:12
	quote: Originally posted by prophet: well jean, its only a natural progression of their vst-i line, since they began with CM101 (which was a very suitable name if you think about it) then on to SR202 and so on. it was obvious that they would have to progress to a 404, no matter what the initials, it would still resemble the ts 404 name. but you are aware that the TS404 name isnt original at all (as well as the computer music ones) its supposed to sound similar to the roland line of synths SH101, tb303, tr909, mc303 etc. so really theres no point in complaining about a name that sounds like yours, when yours sounds like something else. Hehe...
nøn ¬ dct	Posted: 7th July 2002 19:04
	quote: Originally posted by prophet: well jean, its only a natural progression of their vst-i line, since they began with CM101 (which was a very suitable name if you think about it) then on to SR202 and so on. it was obvious that they would have to progress to a 404, no matter what the initials, it would still resemble the ts 404 name. but you are aware that the TS404 name isnt original at all (as well as the computer music ones) its supposed to sound similar to the roland line of synths SH101, tb303, tr909, mc303 etc. so really theres no point in complaining about a name that sounds like yours, when yours sounds like something else. hi hi hi...
xoxos	Posted: 7th July 2002 21:00
	no.. no.. no loop modulation? bububububut that is synthesis! still waiting for someone to put out a vsti with this very obvious feature still take one of those cm50s off your hands, thank you
mckenic	Posted: 8th July 2002 21:17
	Oowooh, Oowooh, I WAS waiting for the MAC version of Knotact - hehe thanks guys - cant wait!
VitaminD	Posted: 9th July 2002 00:06
	i think jmc has a point here.. the ts-404 already appears to spit out .404 presets.. ..now we are going to have other .404 files not related to ts-404?
spectrum	Posted: 9th July 2002 03:38
	Ever notice notice that Roland NEVER released a 404 product? They did every other number, except 4. Wanna know why? In Japan the number 4 is bad luck, like 13 is in the West. A little Japanese trivia for today spectrum
ibis	Posted: 9th July 2002 04:09
	Okay so another vsti but could I make a major suggestion to all virtual instrument developers? Midi cc information. I'm finding it increasingly frustrating tweaking my phatboy controller and getting nowt.
exponent	Posted: 9th July 2002 04:57
	quote: Originally posted by spectrum: Ever notice notice that Roland NEVER released a 404 product? They did every other number, except 4. Wanna know why? In Japan the number 4 is bad luck, like 13 is in the West. A little Japanese trivia for today spectrum Hey, interesting! I've actually wondered that before.. of course you would know! haha
Muon Software Ltd	Posted: 9th July 2002 05:48
	Sibi - all Muon instruments (except the Atom and Tau) respond to MIDI CC messages 75 onwards for nearly all their parameters. However, your Phatboy only has a variety of pre-programmed modes none of which are suitable for use straigt away. Obviously if you had a programmable fader box like a Kenton or suchlike you could quickly create a profile and off you go (if anyone wants a Kenton profile let me know, BTW). My best suggestion would be to set your Phatboy to Mode V (standard CCs) and then remap the controllers in your host. Mode V starts at CC40. HTH Dave
audio/fault	Posted: 9th July 2002 05:55
	quote: Originally posted by spectrum: Ever notice notice that Roland NEVER released a 404 product? They did every other number, except 4. Wanna know why? In Japan the number 4 is bad luck, like 13 is in the West. A little Japanese trivia for today spectrum BTW In South Korea the "4" is the symbol for death, that's why the player of the SK Football Team wasn't very happy with his number . But they had to use every number... greetZ ANdreas PS There and when can I get this copy of CM in Germany? [ 09 July 2002, 08:56: Message edited by: Cubaseuser ]
synthg	Posted: 9th July 2002 06:01
	and Korea arrived fourth in the World Cup!!!
xoxos	Posted: 9th July 2002 07:09
	#4 = 'shi,' which also means death (afaik.. only a bit of japanese hamashimasu) and was also the designation of the lowest social caste. apparently, holding up four fingers is a rather insulting gesture.
Muon Software Ltd	Posted: 9th July 2002 08:34
	Sorry, forgot to mention. The Control Freak profiles are for the 16 fader studio edition. I don't know if they can be used with the 8 fader version. Kind regards Dave
prophet	Posted: 9th July 2002 08:46
	quote: Originally posted by VitaminD: i think jmc has a point here.. the ts-404 already appears to spit out .404 presets.. ..now we are going to have other .404 files not related to ts-404? but then what about all the .fxb files you have on your computer? they only work for which ever vsti they were made with.
Muon Software Ltd	Posted: 9th July 2002 13:17
	No, this doesn't seem to be correct. Fruity 3.4 saves TS404 sounds, like all other Fruity presets, as .FST (Fruity State Files). This is true also of Fruity 3.5 from what I have seen. Some of TS404 presets supplied in Fruity are .404 files I did notice, but I couldn't find any particular way of creating one in a new version of Fruity. Not one of the 404 files is newer than early 2000 so I guess they are a throwback to a years-old version. The point also about FXB files is a good one....and you might also want to think how mac users get by without file extensions at all, on the whole :-) Kind regards Dave Muon Software Ltd www.muon-software.com [ 09 July 2002, 16:20: Message edited by: Muon Software Ltd ]
VitaminD	Posted: 9th July 2002 13:23
	quote: but then what about all the .fxb files you have on your computer? they only work for which ever vsti they were made with exactly. i dont want more of this if it can be avoided.. but reguardless, the fxb isnt a synth specific format, where-as the .404 already is. so another synth writing to this extension would be along the lines of me writing a synth that writes .wav presets, that dont conform in any way to the *.wav standard already in place.. there are over 999 different extensions to be made with the 3 letter/number spaces given.. i just wish we wouldnt see the same 50-100 used over and over..
Muon Software Ltd	Posted: 9th July 2002 15:41
	I've said this already, but just to emphasise: 1. It seems to us that the 404 file format has be out of use for some time. There are no files supplied in the present versions of Fruity with this extension that are newer than 2000. 2. With Fruity 3.4 and 3.5 there doesn't seem to be a way to create .404 files. Try it for yourself if you are concerned, I'd be interested to see if anyone can do it an a recent version of Fruity. Either way though, the file format and extension for DS404 will not* change. I won't be commenting on this topic further - if anyone has any serious or important questions about DS404 then please post on up, but I don't need to know whether or not the number 4 is an unlucky number in outer Mongolia Cheers + beers! Dave
Ford Prefect	Posted: 9th July 2002 15:48
	quote: Originally posted by xoxos: #4 = 'shi,' which also means death (afaik.. only a bit of japanese hamashimasu) and was also the designation of the lowest social caste. apparently, holding up four fingers is a rather insulting gesture. 4 can also be yon and I think you meant hanashimasu(or shaberu) [ 09 July 2002, 18:49: Message edited by: Ford Prefect ]
chrisby	Posted: 20th July 2002 23:10
	quote: Originally posted by Red: Loverly innit? Issue 50 (its our birfday!) 31st July 2002. Double CD issue - usual stuff on one and DS-404 exclusive on another with 640MB of cracking pro sampler patches in .404 format. We wont ever be able to run the patches again cause of space restrictions, so this is your only chance to get em Just curious... the "July" issue just hit the stands here in the US but it's issue #48. So is it the September issue that the ds-404 is in (hopefully). Thanks to anyone that knows...
crimsonwarlock	Posted: 21st July 2002 06:46
	quote: there are over 999 different extensions to be made with the 3 letter/number spaces given.. Ermm..... there are 36 to the third power combinations possible with three digits. Beside, the three digits is a heritage from the DOS days and that limitation has been gone for several years now (since Windows 95 I think).
VitaminD	Posted: 21st July 2002 06:59
	quote: Originally posted by crimsonwarlock: quote: there are over 999 different extensions to be made with the 3 letter/number spaces given.. Ermm..... there are 36 to the third power combinations possible with three digits. Beside, the three digits is a heritage from the DOS days and that limitation has been gone for several years now (since Windows 95 I think). indeed.. and??
fitch	Posted: 21st July 2002 18:07
	ooo....ooooo... it looks fab I'll definatley be strolling down to Tower for this one fingers crossed though. that it doesn't suffer the same fate as the dr202. ... which crashed my mac so magnificently on the first couple of trys..that I just gave up with it! the cm101 works fine though...
SJ_Digriz	Posted: 21st July 2002 20:01
	quote: Originally posted by fitch: ooo....ooooo... it looks fab I'll definatley be strolling down to Tower for this one fingers crossed though. that it doesn't suffer the same fate as the dr202. ... which crashed my mac so magnificently on the first couple of trys..that I just gave up with it! the cm101 works fine though... Fitch, you MAC is obviously a crack. Everyone knows that MACs don't crash. They just work. sorry, couldn't help myself sorry
c_huelsbeck	Posted: 21st July 2002 20:17
	Does it work with stereo samples?
topaz	Posted: 21st July 2002 20:33
	Hi Dave, seeing the PhatBoy mk2 is such a popular device would,t it be a good idea to assign stuff like freq and reso to that standard ? 74 71 etc etc.. better still midi learn would solve any problems once and for all, RGC FXpansion TobyBear etc are doing a nice job of this .. all the best quote: Originally posted by Muon Software Ltd: Sibi - all Muon instruments (except the Atom and Tau) respond to MIDI CC messages 75 onwards for nearly all their parameters. However, your Phatboy only has a variety of pre-programmed modes none of which are suitable for use straigt away. Obviously if you had a programmable fader box like a Kenton or suchlike you could quickly create a profile and off you go (if anyone wants a Kenton profile let me know, BTW). My best suggestion would be to set your Phatboy to Mode V (standard CCs) and then remap the controllers in your host. Mode V starts at CC40. HTH Dave [ 21 July 2002, 23:45: Message edited by: topaz ]
Funkybot	Posted: 21st July 2002 20:40
	Yes, Midi Learn mode is very important (my controllers are a POD and a J-Station) and should not be overlooked by any developer. It's getting to the point where I'm begining to expect it, in commercial products, and the inclusion of it is always a major highlight. I'd love to see Muon (as well as others) include it from now on, as it's become almost necessary with all the different kinds of controllers on the market.
topaz	Posted: 21st July 2002 20:44
	yep, Midi learn is the way to solve the problem of unique ccr settings imho. quote: Originally posted by Funkybot: Yes, Midi Learn mode is very important (my controllers are a POD and a J-Station) and should not be overlooked by any developer. It's getting to the point where I'm begining to expect it, in commercial products, and the inclusion of it is always a major highlight. I'd love to see Muon (as well as others) include it from now on, as it's become almost necessary with all the different kinds of controllers on the market.
Muon Software Ltd	Posted: 22nd July 2002 06:41
	Chris - yes, it works with stereo samples (though they take two voices, one for each channel). As for MIDI learn, its certainly something we'll be looking at in the future but not in the CM range of plugins. ...and Fitch, we've done our darndest to make sure DS404 doesn't crash. SR202 will be receiving a fix soon too. Best regards Dave Muon Software Ltd www.muon-software.com
Mozzer	Posted: 22nd July 2002 16:29
	So you have Control Freak files for the Computer Music freebies as well as your other stuff? Is it possible for you to post them on your website? That would be cool Moz [ 22 July 2002, 19:30: Message edited by: Mozzer ]
Muon Software Ltd	Posted: 22nd July 2002 16:45
	Let me see if I can get the program out of the control freak and into something useful, like a SysEx file.... Cheers Dave
Mozzer	Posted: 22nd July 2002 16:47
	Cool thanks for this!! Will be very useful Moz
Muon Software Ltd	Posted: 22nd July 2002 17:02
	OK, try: www.muon-software.com/freedownloads/freak.zip That's a profile for controllers 75-90 which will allow you to control the first 16 parameters of any Muon/CM synth. If it works OK, we'll do another couple like it and put them on the support pages in our site. Cheers Dave
Mozzer	Posted: 22nd July 2002 17:05
	I just ordered your electron bundle Look out for the C J Morris order <g> Thanks!!! Moz

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