Hi!
I'm new to this forum, and I must say it looks like you guys have a great community here!

Here's an idea for VSTi developers: how about making a church organ VSTi? I love to play with the Jeux SoundFont on my SBLive, and it would just make my day to have a VST church-organ with registers, buttons and all the bells & whistles to shape my own organ sounds!

Anyone with/against me on that one?

Have a good one!
Rune

Although not strictly a church drawbar organ, the ZR-3 from Rumpelrausch Taips sounds pretty damn good. Plus, it's free!

http://rumpelrausch.de.vu/

Toppa

Or you could try DaOrgan, or the B4 but again neither is a church or pipe organ. But Sonic Synth, from Sonic Reality has a church organ sample if I'm not mistaken, and I'm sure Squids could tell you a long story about how he sampled it. But on this you won't have the ability to tweak outside of adding effects and whatnot so it's also not what you're asking for. So far none just exist.

Hi Rune and welcome!
Check out http://www.bojo.dk/organone.htm
It's very cheap at 20 euro, has a half decent church organ preset that you can tweak to your hearts content. Can do some other interesting organ sounds also.
Another way is to get the very cheap at $10 emu church organ soundfont, and get the bs1 soundfont player vsti at http://homepage.mac.com/bismark/bs-1/readme_english.html
This is $30
Won't give you the tweking your after(besides a basic lowpass filter and ADSR envelopes), but it will allow you to use all your soundblaster soundfonts as a vsti within your fave sequencer

I share your love for the Jeux SoundFont (& BTW, I was a huge E.Power Biggs fan when I was growing up).

I think your idea is really tremendous and I hope one (or more!) of the developers who visit these pages would give some thought.

Again, great idea!!

peace,
venice

You can add me to the list of people who would love to have a Pipe Organ vsti.Something along the lines of the sound in Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D Minor.Doesn't seem like it would be too hard to emulate but you never know.

What about a dedicated sample player as "the grand" for piano ?

What about a surround version with an ambisonic placement of the pipes and reverberation's dittusion
. . .as you would be sitting anywhere inside the church ?

Maybe different types of room simulations
(between chapels and cathedral) ?

etc...?

There's few vst instruments with good organ sounds

1. NI B4 (very good but not cheap Hammond simulation)
2. daOrgan from Linplug (very good and cheap - only 29$)
3.ZR3 (triple drawbar organ)- good presets & freeware
4. Sampletank Free or other versions ( with ST Free you'll get B3 sound)
4. zr1 ( another freeware from Rumpelrausch)
5. Organ one from Bojo - some good presets
6. CesSynth 2 (very simple but good sounding organ type synth)
7. Kontakt (big library of samples - very expensive)
8. Halion (see above)

Try to use it with any reverb plugin (use cathedral or church reverb)

1 Waves R-verb (very good very expensive)
2 waves True verb ( look above)
3 Ultrafunk sonitus bundle
4 reverb x from Timeworks
5 TC works reverb
6 Spinaudio Roomverb

Amen

[ 31 July 2002, 07:37: Message edited by: Jackart ]

There are many b3 emulators but not one specificly
for emulating church organs.

I love hearing the power of the great cathedral
organs.Were not talking b3's.

I don't usually use pipe organ patches in my music
but they are wonderful to play. They are awsome
instruments plus great works of art. THe feeling
of power when playing them is inspiring.

I enjoy listening to Virgil Fox.

Good idea.

Mush

Download the Absynth demo, go to preset 122, Pipes of saint something, and stick that bad boy in your song!

There are a couple of drawbar organ ensembles for Sync which do a decent church organ sound.

or go find yourself a nice cathedral
you might get some hard to simulate natural acoustic reverbs and overtones.

At the speed computers are increasing in power, such feature would be able to be realised at least in a very few years, i guess. . .

Just a quick reply. Having a date... but first things first

Just wanted to thank all for your replies. Mushroom: yeah, the word "power" is what also comes to my mind when I say church organ!!

I've tried various drawbar VSTi's like daOrgan, ZR-3 and the B4 demo with reverbs. You can achieve some good sounds, but I don't think the attack is very "church-like". It's almost like asking for more latency No, I mean, with the samples in the Jeux SoundFont, you can hear the air starting to run through the tubes, kinda like a slow attack or something... But you can't do it simply with ADSR-tweaking. Must be emulated or sampled I guess... Anyway, have to go, look forward to reading more here. Thanks again!

Rune

Just my 2 euros:-)
I've always been mesmerised by the sound of the pipe organ, even since being a small child!,and eventually started lessons as soon as my legs were long enough to reach the pedals!
The VSTi question all depends on how seriously the developper wants to simulate "reality". There are loads of good samples around,and even some excellent synth patches,but things start getting complicated once you start wanting to combine ranks of pipes,which is what organ playing is all about:-). Imagine playing a fairly rich registration on the Great,and then you decide to add a 4' reed,for example. How would a sample-based VSTi tackle that? You'd need either a multi-sample for each rank of pipes,(using almost as much polyphony as the the sampled organ has pipes!),or one multi-sample for every possible combination of ranks,calculating which multi-sample to play according to which stops you pulled out! I think the only envisageable solution would be a re-modelling algorithm (maybe it could handle the accoustics at the same time),maybe someone with the necessary dedication will eventually write such an application, but are there enough pipe organ enthusiasts in the world for him to justify his investment?! In the meantime,I believe Allens have MIDI in/out,so all you'd need is the MIDI interface,2 cables,and of course the 30 zillion dollars you'd need to buy the Allen!
But,I do so agree, it would be simply awesome to have a four or five deck console appear on the screen!
But who knows? Who would have thought even 5 years ago that the B4 would be possible?

I haven't tried the Tassman myself yet (but the any-time-now new version sure looks tempting!...but I'd have to also get a powerful new machine to run it on...still,I can dream!).I'm sure it could do a very convincing emulation of *one* rank of organ pipes...unfortunately a typical cathedral organ has about 80 of them,each with its own characteristic sound!(some sound like flutes,others sound like trumpets or oboes,etc.,while still others play at different octaves)That's why the sound is so amazing..it's like the difference between a violin playing a note,and that same note being played by the complete 1st violin section of an orchestra! It's the interaction of the pitch/phase differences between them all that makes the sound so rich....much more complicated to reproduce than the 9 drawbar "harmonics" of a B3. As i wrote earlier, if you only need one "church organ sound",then a well-recorded sample is quite adequate, but such a method would give no control of the selection of individual raks of pipes.For those who do not already know this,an organ is not velocity sensitive, the only way to get it to play softer or louder is to change combinations of ranks of pipes (slight exaggeration...the pipes of some of the keyboards on an organ are enclosed in a chamber who's front has thick wooden louvres which can swing in and out like vertical venitian blinds,controlled by the "swell" pedal,effectively quitening the sound by "closing the door on it"!
Ok,so where do I place my order for those 80 Tassman VSTi's? )

just a thought.
The AAS Tassman can physically model an organ pipe. I've not tried it, but it could be worth a go.