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Author	Topic: $200 (or so) VSTi budget- what would you get?
lwg	Posted: 1st August 2002 16:38
	Already have: * Fruityloops * Wasp * SimSynth Live * Scorpion * Junglist * Plucked String Generator * TauPro Considering: * Sonic Synth * Sampletank L * Virsyn Tera * Absynth * Dynamo * VSampler + ? or maybe * sitting on my cash and waiting for Kontakt or getting brave and diving into Reaktor I do industrial-ish rock and use Sonar (with DirectiXer as needed) or Fruity Loops. What do you folks think?
pornstar	Posted: 1st August 2002 16:41
	Reaktor 3
afx23	Posted: 1st August 2002 16:43
	YES REAKTOR! or if you cant stretch your money , ABSYNTH
Moritz Morpheus MkIII	Posted: 1st August 2002 16:46
	nah, guys....he should take Reaktor!!
afx23	Posted: 1st August 2002 16:55
	make that 3 Reaktor 3's
Zsklar	Posted: 1st August 2002 16:55
	Nope.... SONIC SYNTH! TRUST ME!!!
Markleford	Posted: 1st August 2002 16:55
	quote: Originally posted by lwg: What do you folks think? All of the Ohm Force plugs! http://www.ohmforce.com A steal at $9.95 each. Guess I should clarify: these aren't actually instruments, but I believe that shaping the sounds you already have will breathe new life into them... - m [ 01 August 2002, 19:57: Message edited by: Markleford ]
SigurRos	Posted: 1st August 2002 16:56
	Sonic Synth
afx23	Posted: 1st August 2002 16:56
	quote: TRUST ME!!![/QB] on your first post ?? forget it!
lavoll	Posted: 1st August 2002 16:59
	get crystal and donate the money to the guy who makes it
afx23	Posted: 1st August 2002 17:01
	quote: Originally posted by lavoll: get crystal and donate the money to the guy who makes it that s so noble i feel ashamed for suggesting commercial software :[
lavoll	Posted: 1st August 2002 17:08
	heh, well he didnt have crystal on his already have list Cronox is also a cool synth. and cheap.
shortyedwards	Posted: 1st August 2002 17:21
	I could easily recommend Pentagon 1 and/or Delta III. Doug
Ian B	Posted: 1st August 2002 17:27
	Another vote for Sonic Synth here. It's practically the only vsti I use now. I reckon there's a lot of vsti's gathering "virtual dust" on my HD wondering just what they've done to upset me.
afx23	Posted: 1st August 2002 17:33
	quote: Originally posted by Ian B: Another vote for Sonic Synth here. It's practically the only vsti I use now. I reckon there's a lot of vsti's gathering "virtual dust" on my HD wondering just what they've done to upset me. isn t sonic synth just sampletank with pruttier sounds?
Nuisances Sonores	Posted: 1st August 2002 17:40
	Industrial ??? you called ???? Reaktor 3.0x = 500 $ ; 600 $ for autumn 3.3 upgrade Kontakt = 400 $ Absynth = 300 $ Not really 200 $ !!! Excluding price, for fast access to huge nasty sonic possibilities : Kontakt, Absynth, Reaktor ; they are all really unique though ... and it's a tight tie and it's just me ...
Ian B	Posted: 1st August 2002 18:00
	quote: Originally posted by afx23: isn t sonic synth just sampletank with pruttier sounds? Hi afx23, You could look at it that way I suppose I've got both (SS +ST L) They're different enough to make it worthwhile getting the pair of them, especially if you are like me, clueless about doing your own sound's
Sascha Franck	Posted: 1st August 2002 18:02
	Pentagon 1! Not only that you'll be getting a kickass sounding synth for way under 200 (it's $99), but it also serves as a vocoder (in voice modulating mode) which will offer a WHOLE lot of options, regardless of the style you're doing. Just check out the demo! www.rgcaudio.com Edit: And I need to add, if you want to spend the other half as well, get pHATmatik Pro! Will give all your loops a whole new meaning! Again, check the demo: www.bitshiftaudio.com Cheers, Sascha [ 01 August 2002, 21:05: Message edited by: Sascha Franck ]
afx23	Posted: 1st August 2002 18:03
	My point is that it s not really a synth , but a fancy rompler, nothing wrong with that but i thought i d point it out so there s no confusion! quote: Originally posted by Ian B: quote: Originally posted by afx23: isn t sonic synth just sampletank with pruttier sounds? Hi afx23, You could look at it that way I suppose I've got both (SS +ST L) They're different enough to make it worthwhile getting the pair of them, especially if you are like me, clueless about doing your own sound's
iDavid	Posted: 1st August 2002 18:46
	Depends on what you are looking for.... My favorite is Sonic and ST-L. Wide range of sounds that one can get to quickly....
lwg	Posted: 1st August 2002 18:52
	quote: Originally posted by Preset Perverter: Industrial ??? you called ???? Now I know who to talk to. quote: Reaktor 3.0x = 500 $ ; 600 $ for autumn 3.3 upgrade $429 at audiomidi, but yes, that's a pretty major stretch. quote: Kontakt = 400 $ Nah. $339. Again, still a stretch for me; I agree with you there. quote: Absynth = 300 $ Nah. $249. Like the sounds, not thrilled with the interface. quote: Not really 200 $ !!! Excluding price, for fast access to huge nasty sonic possibilities : Kontakt, Absynth, Reaktor ; they are all really unique though ... and it's a tight tie and it's just me ...
Deuce	Posted: 1st August 2002 18:57
	I had the same dilemna a while back....if you haven't got it the Sonic Reality Summer special bundle (SS, OS and free eROM) is a steal!! Thats what I got and I was very pleased.
nirsul	Posted: 1st August 2002 19:10
	get SonicSynth !!!
Sleek Month	Posted: 1st August 2002 19:18
	Hm. Industrial, eh? I would get: Pentagon 1 RM3 (For drums...you can get some wicked f' ed up drums going on...) Bs-1 (Soundfont player for "normal" instruments) Then I'd take the rest and buy tequila and Taco Bell. -Sleek P.S. For hard edged sounds, including the best vocal distortions (My submission from last month has it, and it's still up...), Quadrafuzz indespensible!
pornstar	Posted: 1st August 2002 19:25
	I forgot Reaktor 3 is kindof expensive, but not $500. I got it at Guitar Center for $325 out the door. Also, check on ebay, I've gotten great prices on still shrinkwrapped software there (as well as all my hardware). Try this...save another 100 and get Pentagon 1, Sonic Synth, Triangle 2 (free) and Crystal (free) and maybe JunoX2 if you have something left over, or send the extra to the Crystal guy like the previous post said. It's an amazing plugin.
Nuisances Sonores	Posted: 1st August 2002 19:36
	You've got some alluring prices !!! Kontakt : cats samples in, "job" done, tigers out ... Absynth : can easily ruin your social life ... Reaktor : it's not a handy gold mine, but it's a true gold mine, exploited yes, but ... Very, very hard to choose ... uhh ... take one at a time ????
audiobanjo	Posted: 1st August 2002 19:52
	quote: Originally posted by lwg: Already have: * Fruityloops * Wasp * SimSynth Live * Scorpion * Junglist * Plucked String Generator * TauPro Considering: * Sonic Synth * Sampletank L * Virsyn Tera * Absynth * Dynamo * VSampler + ? or maybe * sitting on my cash and waiting for Kontakt or getting brave and diving into Reaktor I do industrial-ish rock and use Sonar (with DirectiXer as needed) or Fruity Loops. What do you folks think? Orion Platinum! Then you can use FL as a VSTi.
Tokartta	Posted: 1st August 2002 21:08
	Go out and rummage for $49 and get Sonic Synth. I want sonic synth so so much, but im only thinks $249 (or its british equivalent) short Judging by the SS STFree sounds, and some demo mp3s ive heard, it sounds very, very, very good and as you can see, others seem to be impressed as well. Now, I wonder if i have $249 buried in the sofa...
SonicVI	Posted: 1st August 2002 21:23
	Sonic Synth M-Tron B4 Mercury 1 My four main VSTi's along with EXS24, all cost no more than $200 most places. If I only had $200 I'd get Sonic Synth, as great as some of the synth VSTs are that's all they can do is synth sounds. Sonic Synth does a bit of everything and most of it very well, and it's expandable. Of course, if all you need are synths and drums then get Pentagon and whatever drum synth. Daniel
Funkybot	Posted: 1st August 2002 21:37
	For the music you're doing I'd say Pentagon, and M-Tron for some extra flavor, if you have some cash left over a sampler wouldn't be a bad choice either. I'm a huge Sonic Synth fan, but a) it would pretty much cost all the cash that you have to spend, and I'm not sure how badly you need real instrument sounds, but I'd definately put that on the "wish list" if I were you.
toomany22000	Posted: 1st August 2002 22:08
	all I will say is the Bundle from Linplug!! www.linplug.com what more could you need.. RMIII, ElementP, Cronx, Delta III and now I think you also get the Alpha Synth. Complete suite for mutating sounds, and great support. Make sure you also check the Manytone studio kit for RMIII also
wongpongding	Posted: 1st August 2002 22:42
	Get delta 3 and phatmatik pro and spend the rest on booze.
wongpongding	Posted: 1st August 2002 22:45
	Whoops, just remembered, it was 200 dollars. So no booze for you. The two I mentioned above are simply the best quality and most useful plug-ins I have come across. Both of them come to 200 dollar ($99 each).
BONES	Posted: 1st August 2002 22:46
	quote: Originally posted by lwg: I do industrial-ish rock and use Sonar (with DirectiXer as needed) or Fruity Loops. What do you folks think? Not to start any sort of flame war or anything but I think you should really give the demo of ORION Platinum a go when it becomes available. For $199 you will get UltranWMS, a sort of WaveStation kinda synth with 4 Oscillators, WaspXT [a very different beast from the original] and a CD crammed with presets, samples and soundfonts. You'll also have a great Sampler with a built-in GrooveSlicer and all the other standard goodies. The only downside is using it with Sonar but you can always render out every track separately. Everything else you have will work inside ORION.
crimsonwarlock	Posted: 2nd August 2002 05:43
	Strange nobody mentioned FM7. Has it all: metal sounding stuff, analogue leads and pads, soundscapes and effects, PPG-like sounds, the works. And one of the best interfaces currently available on a VSTi. Oh, and it will load DX7 patches directly, of wich there are about a few thousand floating around the web for free. It will be a great complement to what you already have.
emerald tablet	Posted: 2nd August 2002 05:57
	a whole lot of shareware and 200$ to drink till you drop
lwg	Posted: 2nd August 2002 10:52
	quote: Originally posted by Sascha Franck: Pentagon 1! Not only that you'll be getting a kickass sounding synth for way under 200 (it's $99), but it also serves as a vocoder (in voice modulating mode) which will offer a WHOLE lot of options, regardless of the style you're doing. Just check out the demo! www.rgcaudio.com Edit: And I need to add, if you want to spend the other half as well, get pHATmatik Pro! Will give all your loops a whole new meaning! Again, check the demo: www.bitshiftaudio.com Cheers, Sascha Pentagon 1 was a consideration, same as Delta III was. Both great synths. I missed out on Cakewalk's promotion- they had P1 discounted to $80US. I do love Phatmatik, but it's going to sit low on my list until Art releases the DXi. You listening, Art?
lwg	Posted: 2nd August 2002 11:04
	quote: Originally posted by Sleek Month: Industrial, eh? I would get: Pentagon 1 I keep hearing that... quote: RM3 (For drums...you can get some wicked f' ed up drums going on...) I already have the DR-008. Is there anything I'm missing? quote: Bs-1 (Soundfont player for "normal" instruments) What do you folks thing of VSampler for that? quote: Then I'd take the rest and buy tequila and Taco Bell. Mmmm... Taco Bell... quote: P.S. For hard edged sounds, including the best vocal distortions (My submission from last month has it, and it's still up...), Quadrafuzz indespensible! How does it compare to Predatohm?
lwg	Posted: 2nd August 2002 11:08
	quote: Originally posted by wongpongding: Whoops, just remembered, it was 200 dollars. So no booze for you. The two I mentioned above are simply the best quality and most useful plug-ins I have come across. Both of them come to 200 dollar ($99 each). S'okay- I don't drink. Delta III's one hell of a synth- I finally made some more time to play with the demo last night.
lwg	Posted: 2nd August 2002 11:13
	quote: Originally posted by BONES: Not to start any sort of flame war or anything but I think you should really give the demo of ORION Platinum a go when it becomes available. For $199 you will get UltranWMS, a sort of WaveStation kinda synth with 4 Oscillators, WaspXT [a very different beast from the original] and a CD crammed with presets, samples and soundfonts. You'll also have a great Sampler with a built-in GrooveSlicer and all the other standard goodies. The only downside is using it with Sonar but you can always render out every track separately. Everything else you have will work inside ORION.[/QB] I don't take offense (or offence- you're on the other side of the pond ) to that. I actually took some time to play with the Orion Pro demo last week just to see what had changed since the original release. It's an impressive package as well, and the lockstep timing with Fruity VSTi is nice. I'm more interested in instruments than I am sequencers at the moment, though- ideally, I'd like to invest in one or two instruments that I can learn in depth and from which I can squeeze a lot of value. That's why Tera and some of the other modular synths interest me.
Scott @ AAS	Posted: 2nd August 2002 15:11
	Now just a second here.. what the heck is this, I take a vacation from KVR for 2 weeks and you guys have completely forgotten about us !? sheesh.... Lounge Lizard fits you're price, and Tassman is pretty close... Come on, 'I'll make ya an offah ya can't refyoose'...
Deuce	Posted: 2nd August 2002 15:18
	quote: Originally posted by Scott @ AAS: Lounge Lizard fits you're price, and Tassman is pretty close... Come on, 'I'll make ya an offah ya can't refyoose'... Are you hinting at a special KVR price on Lounge Lizard?? Come on then...how much for the Lizard for us KVR members?
Deuce	Posted: 2nd August 2002 15:19
	You could base a promotion on whether we have been registered before the date of this post to prevent people registering for the promo!! Go on...I'm sure it'll sell like hot cakes
lwg	Posted: 2nd August 2002 15:21
	quote: Originally posted by Scott @ AAS: Now just a second here.. what the heck is this, I take a vacation from KVR for 2 weeks and you guys have completely forgotten about us !? sheesh.... Lounge Lizard fits you're price, and Tassman is pretty close... Come on, 'I'll make ya an offah ya can't refyoose'... Go for it! I'd definitely consider Tassman...
facingdoubt	Posted: 2nd August 2002 15:40
	I'd get sonic synth, drumkit from hell, and/or the pentagon 1 or 2...
cmidkiff	Posted: 2nd August 2002 16:05
	Sonic Synth
lwg	Posted: 5th August 2002 12:49
	quote: Originally posted by Markleford: All of the Ohm Force plugs! http://www.ohmforce.com A steal at $9.95 each. Well... At $59 and $79 each, they're still a great value. quote: Guess I should clarify: these aren't actually instruments, but I believe that shaping the sounds you already have will breathe new life into them... I agree with you there. So, we have a partial winner! I already owned Ohmboyz, and I picked up Predatohm over the weekend as one of my purchases. I'm finding it useful for all sorts of things, more than just distortion.
lwg	Posted: 5th August 2002 12:59
	quote: Originally posted by wongpongding: Get delta 3 and phatmatik pro and spend the rest on booze. And you're the other partial winner! The jury's still out on Delta III- great synth, no doubt, but I have to make sure a.) I can grok it and b.) DXi version is pending. (I'm a Sonar user.) That said, I did purchase P Pro. At $80 (Computer Music issue 49 special) it was way too good of a deal to pass up. It'll do enough mangling to keep me happy for a while. So total investment now is $140. I still have room in my budget for a sample or loop CD, or a bunch of stuff from Wizoo or Primesounds.
audiojunkie	Posted: 5th August 2002 13:16
	quote: Originally posted by lwg: quote: Originally posted by wongpongding: Get delta 3 and phatmatik pro and spend the rest on booze. And you're the other partial winner! The jury's still out on Delta III- great synth, no doubt, but I have to make sure a.) I can grok it and b.) DXi version is pending. (I'm a Sonar user.) That said, I did purchase P Pro. At $80 (Computer Music issue 49 special) it was way too good of a deal to pass up. It'll do enough mangling to keep me happy for a while. So total investment now is $140. I still have room in my budget for a sample or loop CD, or a bunch of stuff from Wizoo or Primesounds. Don't forget the freebies on Computer Music's issue #50!!! $15 US is a no brainer!!! --Sean
Caleb	Posted: 5th August 2002 13:23
	quote: Originally posted by lwg: quote: Originally posted by wongpongding: Get delta 3 and phatmatik pro and spend the rest on booze. That said, I did purchase P Pro. At $80 (Computer Music issue 49 special) it was way too good of a deal to pass up. It'll do enough mangling to keep me happy for a while. So total investment now is $140. I still have room in my budget for a sample or loop CD, or a bunch of stuff from Wizoo or Primesounds. I think Phatmatik Pro was a pretty good choice actually. If I were going to give a brief rundown of what I'd choose for industrial (given that I don't actually compose industrial of course ) Phatmatik Pro Crystal (nice freebie that would be good for industrial me thinks) Triangle II (free) or Tau Pro You've got some great synths that could probably easily handle industrial (ie Junglist and Wasp). And you have DR-008 so there's no need to get another drum sampler. Actually, Bones might have a point there about Orion Platinum. I know it's a host not a synth, but with Fruity being a VSTi they can work together and I imagine that Ultran would be a magnificent industrial texture maker. Although I'm guessing here a bit. I'm sure Reaktor, Absynth and FM7 would all be fantastic additions as well, although a bit more on the pricey side. Synths like Delta III and Pentagon I are great but they don't scream industrial at me at the top of their collective lungs. I'm sure they could handle the genre without too much trouble though and they are very versatile. Oh yes, get a decent sampler.
smart	Posted: 5th August 2002 13:28
	buy SimSynth Live! For Fruityloops($34) before you do anything else. have you seen the new interface? then worry about what your going to buy next.
lwg	Posted: 5th August 2002 14:03
	quote: Originally posted by smart: buy SimSynth Live! For Fruityloops($34) before you do anything else. have you seen the new interface? then worry about what your going to buy next. I already own it. Waiting patiently for 3.56...
lwg	Posted: 5th August 2002 14:11
	quote: ]I think Phatmatik Pro was a pretty good choice actually. If I were going to give a brief rundown of what I'd choose for industrial (given that I don't actually compose industrial of course ) Phatmatik Pro Crystal (nice freebie that would be good for industrial me thinks) Triangle II (free) or Tau Pro I have everything there but Crystal, which I need to try out when I have some more time. quote: You've got some great synths that could probably easily handle industrial (ie Junglist and Wasp). And you have DR-008 so there's no need to get another drum sampler. Agreed. To be honest, I didn't realize how cool the Junglist was until I started using Fruity's randomizer to set the settings. There's a lot more under the hood than immediately meets the eye. quote: Actually, Bones might have a point there about Orion Platinum. I know it's a host not a synth, but with Fruity being a VSTi they can work together and I imagine that Ultran would be a magnificent industrial texture maker. Although I'm guessing here a bit. I'm not violently opposed to the idea. You get some nice softsynths and a context shift in sequencing enviroments. Variety's almost never a bad thing. quote: I'm sure Reaktor, Absynth and FM7 would all be fantastic additions as well, although a bit more on the pricey side. Is it just me, or does the FM7 sound a lot more "analog" than it should for an emualtion of a digital synth? quote: Synths like Delta III and Pentagon I are great but they don't scream industrial at me at the top of their collective lungs. I'm sure they could handle the genre without too much trouble though and they are very versatile. I really dig Delta III's mutlitimbrality. I need to see it natively as a DXi before I'll take the plunge. (There's something really nice about loading as few instances of a softsynth as you can...) quote: Oh yes, get a decent sampler. Aye. It'll have to be something on the order of Kontakt to really wow me though. 'Til then, I can rewire in the NN-19 from Reason when I need sampled instrument sounds.
stogie21	Posted: 5th August 2002 14:29
	the presets on the junglist suck, but once you start fooling around with it, it is brutal. The best filters i've heard(you can make some wicked sweeps) the randomize feature does rock
Mr. Tunes	Posted: 5th August 2002 19:00
	Sonic Synth ---> Ohmforce plugins like Hematohm for industrial sound Sonic is good because you get a lot of different types of sounds to play with... Tried that Refx Slayer demo - some pretty heavy guitar sounds in that. Last I checked Lounge Lizard won't do anything close to industrial If you buy something like Kontakt don't forget that you might want some Industrial Akai sound collections to go with it which will put you up way over $200
lwg	Posted: 5th August 2002 19:12
	quote: Sonic Synth ---> Ohmforce plugins like Hematohm for industrial sound The downside to Sonic Synth (after careful and extensive consideration) is that no matter what comes with it, it's still a sample player, not a sampler. quote: Tried that Refx Slayer demo - some pretty heavy guitar sounds in that. No offense to Michael, it's okay, but... If I want guitars on my stuff, I'm better off playing my own. For a keyboard player, Slayer's probably great. quote: Last I checked Lounge Lizard won't do anything close to industrial LOL! Not from an electric piano. That said, I'd love to have Tassman on my machine for the right price. AAS is competing with Virsyn for my attention there. quote: If you buy something like Kontakt don't forget that you might want some Industrial Akai sound collections to go with it which will put you up way over $200 Most likely, I'll record a bunch and mangle some of the stuff I already have. Kontakt is still a way off for me though- I'm starting to get excited about having a modular synth in my collection.
BONES	Posted: 5th August 2002 21:34
	quote: Originally posted by stogie21: the presets on the junglist suck, but once you start fooling around with it, it is brutal. The best filters i've heard(you can make some wicked sweeps) the randomize feature does rock Another great ORION Platinum feature is the VST Genetics which allows you to take your two favourite patches and randomly combine parameters to give you dozens of variations in a few minutes. It's way better than pure randomising.
progfusion74	Posted: 5th August 2002 21:42
	quote: Originally posted by lwg: quote: Sonic Synth ---> Ohmforce plugins like Hematohm for industrial sound The downside to Sonic Synth (after careful and extensive consideration) is that no matter what comes with it, it's still a sample player, not a sampler. True, but it isn't even trying to be one. I have a sampler, and I never use it. One day I might, but not right now. If you are not a mangler, I don't think anything beats it. I made more music in the week after I got it that I had in the 4 months before (with a sampler). It depends on your style. I am glad its not a sampler. There are enough parameters to tweak in there for me.
Mr. Tunes	Posted: 5th August 2002 21:58
	i think the only reason people like me recommend sonic synth in this thread is because it's that vsti that you would pick if you were on a desert island and had only one choice. Not many other vstis if any can make complete tracks right out of the box - it's meant to act like a keyboard workstation. But one vsti won't cut it, of course you need a collection of them to suit your needs... I don't know Industrial too well, but from what I do know you should get your ass into a loud factory and start sampling all the crazy booms and clanks from the metal and stuff... you will want a mangling synth/sampler for that
stogie21	Posted: 5th August 2002 22:55
	quote: Originally posted by BONES: quote: Originally posted by stogie21: the presets on the junglist suck, but once you start fooling around with it, it is brutal. The best filters i've heard(you can make some wicked sweeps) the randomize feature does rock Another great ORION Platinum feature is the VST Genetics which allows you to take your two favourite patches and randomly combine parameters to give you dozens of variations in a few minutes. It's way better than pure randomising. you can do that in fruity. its like hyberize or something??? its "h" something...
Infectious	Posted: 6th August 2002 07:38
	I am late and the thread is likekly to die soon but still... there is not a single reference to Waldorf Attack. You can do a lot with that one: from dirty beats to sick FX. And its mutlitimbral. Just my 0.2 cents! Cheers!
lwg	Posted: 6th August 2002 10:46
	quote: Originally posted by Struggle Tribe: DAMN RIGHT!!! It's not just a drum synth either ... you can get some other incredible sounds out of it. Also, it should be pointed out that Attack is the only VSTi that is so BADASS ... that they decided to make a hardware version. quote: Originally posted by The Infectious.com: I am late and the thread is likekly to die soon but still... there is not a single reference to Waldorf Attack. You can do a lot with that one: from dirty beats to sick FX. And its mutlitimbral. Just my 0.2 cents! Cheers! Although I already have the DR-008, I understand Attack is supposed to be an entirely different animal. I'll have to check it out. THE solution? Probably not But, it may be something worth investigating as one of many.
digitalstruggle	Posted: 6th August 2002 21:12
	DAMN RIGHT!!! It's not just a drum synth either ... you can get some other incredible sounds out of it. Also, it should be pointed out that Attack is the only VSTi that is so BADASS ... that they decided to make a hardware version. quote: Originally posted by The Infectious.com: I am late and the thread is likekly to die soon but still... there is not a single reference to Waldorf Attack. You can do a lot with that one: from dirty beats to sick FX. And its mutlitimbral. Just my 0.2 cents! Cheers!

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