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Offer closed: we have a winner!

My God that was quick...

My DS-404 will soon be undertaking an exciting journey halfway round the world...

I have the native Orion sampler and I have Kontakt and I still see a fair use for DS404. Especially the ability to load one set of samples and build several patches in multi-timbral layers with it is quite usefull for orchestral arrangements for example.

Dont want mine, got Orions sampler....... so its your if you want it.

MWNP/Kriminal, I wouldn't give your DS404s away too soon if I were you

We've just opened a DS404 patch area on our website, so you'll be missing out on all the cool stuff there!!

A set of decent quality, usable "bread-and-butter" patches (brass, strings, piano etc.) has just been released and there's more to come. All of this is free, but we're doing some *seriously* high quality patches on CD soon too.

What's more, I've been speaking with a lot of soundware developers over the past month or so and DS404 has attracted considerable interest as a potential format. If you use samples a lot its worth having a copy to hand that's all I can say!

Go here to access about the patch area.

Regards
Dave
Muon Software Ltd
www.muon-software.com[/url]

I completely agree with Dave here. I think over time it's possible that the DS404 will be the most supported format. Think of the amount of people who have it and the market for sample-packs that just opened up with that. And in addition, there will be so many free patches available from people who make their own and upload them to sites like Muon, CM and here on KVR.

@Krim: Currently DS404 is a nice addition to the native sampler in Orion, as the DS404 let you create your own multi-samples. Something the Orion sampler is not yet capable of.

Firstly, dont get the wrong idea, its not that i dont like ( i havent even tried it), its just that at the moment with Platinum turning up all my attention will be spent on the new features in that. So i dont really have time to "learn" a new sampler.

I just meant if someone wants it more than i do at the moment, they can haveit. And i guess it will be on other discs, so when i have time to investigate it i can get it again

Same goes for Phatmatik, Free etc, i havent tried them (or got them), and they look like they need a lot of time to get into the full capabilities, and i just dont have time at the moment.

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Same goes for Phatmatik, Free etc, i havent tried them (or got them), and they look like they need a lot of time to get into the full capabilities, and i just dont have time at the moment.

I actually agree with you, all this new stuff takes up a lot of time. Unfortunately, as I'm running a support-site, I have to know what goes around

But I'm definately going to make some music in the near future

Same here, Kriminal. Time is the issue.

DS-404 certainly does look very good, and I can well believe that it will grow into a very well-supported sampler indeed.

However, I'm mostly a "messed-up weird noises" kind of sampler user, and I'm still trying to learn my way around Reaktor and Battery.

Each new instrument takes some time to learn, and it just isn't possible for me to do justice to them all.

But, I have found a good home for my DS-404, and I'm sure it will be well cared for.

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I completely agree with Dave here. I think over time it's possible that the DS404 will be the most supported format. Think of the amount of people who have it and the market for sample-packs that just opened up with that. And in addition, there will be so many free patches available from people who make their own and upload them to sites like Muon, CM and here on KVR.

I'm sure Awave will take care of this in no time at all.
We already have way too many formats floating around, another one ? no problem, just convert it to .sf2, .krz or even akai now(speaking from an Orion point of view of course )
The question is :
Is DS404 that much better than Awave or Vienna at making multi-samples ?

I'd say DS404 is *way* faster than both. Pretty much anybody who's read the manual should be able to knock together a multisampled instrument in a few short minutes these days if they've got some nicely trimmed and looped samples ready to go.

...and no vendor of conversion software has even asked us for the file format yet. We've got no intention of making it proprietory but to be honest I don't think you can beat a native file.

DS404/EXS24/HALion/Akai/Kurzweil/Soundfont etc. all have different capabilities and more often than not converted patches lose a *lot* in the translation. If I do a neat patch on DS404 I'd be pretty sure it'll never play back properly on anything except DS404 - and the same goes for pretty much every other format out there too.

Cheers
Dave

Gee, I was one of those "ain't got time" people, but after reading all this, I think I shall check DS404 out tonight . . .

Layyyter . . .

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Is DS404 that much better than Awave or Vienna at making multi-samples ?

Well AWave is actually pretty good at making multi-samples and VSampler VST is even better.

But surely even programming multi-samples in text files would have to be easier than creating multi-samples in Vienna. YUCK!

you probably won't have to learn a multi-sampler sampler kriminal because rich has said miltisampling is going to be incorperated into the orion sampler anyway (yahoo user group).