Hi folks:

I know this may have been discussed before here, but what is your take on the best piano sounds out there?

There seems to be a lot of hype about Gigapiano. And it seems that Unity and Kontakt will be able to convert (stream? ...whatever) Gigasample format now. I am a mac user so that would be my only route

What are your views on the rest? (Steinberg The Grand; Bitheadz Black & Whites; Sampletank/Sonic Synth? etc. )

I have a piano sample that came with my Miroslav package which is great but has been causing me some mapping headaches for reasons that elude me.

I have heard Sampletank's pianos but am totally underwhelmed by them.

Any views appreciated!

cheers

gspin

Depends on your budget I guess. For the price, Sonic Synth is as good as it gets. The GRAND is good from my limited time with it, but it is just the single piano type. I think the best one out there could be the Bardstown Audio Bosenderfer (I've only heard demos), but it is pricey.

prog

hmm, I never heard about Bardstown Audio Bosenderfer..is it a vsti?
does anybody own it?

cheers, moritz

Personally I never go wrong with mda piano - OK, I don't do classical or anything where you need pristine emulation, but for most purposes in a mix, most people'd be hard pressed to tell the difference between the mda piano and most others available IMO. And it's free! (which makes it very cheap, you know).

I think that it depends on what you are doing.... for me Sonic Synth or MDA piano do great in a mix... and you prolly could get away with some classical piece with SS....

mdaPiano does the trick for me too: sounds great, great price.

Have you heard the Sampletank Free piano or some of the Sonic Synth painos from Sonic Reality? I really love the Pianos on the SR eROM, just for the fact that they actually sound like well mic'd pianos as opposed to digital pianos (like the sound you get from the ST Free one). Plus they just fit in a mix gorgeously. If you were doing classical piano, then I'd say look at Gigapiano or the The Grand just for that extra tiny bit of expression the huge size gives you, but for just about everything else, I'd say that the Sonic Synth or Piano Collection pianos will work amazingly well.

I have been using the Sonic Reality Piano Collection for a few weeks now and am really pleased with the results I've been getting....I'm well pleased

You do get quite a lot of nice quality pianos in Sonic synth already though but if you can't get enough the extra eROM is well worth it. I posted a patch list of the piano collection eROM for someone not so long ago so here it is:

A nice Stnwy D
A Yam Grand 52
Antique Steinway Grand
Baby Grand on Hand
D6 Clav
Distorted Wurlitz
Electric Grand
Gritty Rhodez
Harpsi
Home Tape Piano
Hinky Tonk Blues
LoFi Piano
Shimmering Steinway
Shineway Pno
Sparkling EP
Stnwy Concert Grand
Superwurly
Sweet Rhodes
Trem Wurly
Upright Piano
Warm Grand

If all you were after was a good quality Grand Piano and didn't want to spend big bucks on Steinbergs offering then why not try the Splendid Grand Piano soundfont which is 256mb and is free (although you will need a SB card or a sampler that supports SFs to use it!):

www.soundcreationsinc.com/splendid/index.html

Hope this helps!

VSampler has quite a nice 83 Mb free piano (big 21 Mb download though).

Find it at:

http://www.vsampler.com/english/banks.html

Called "Trachtman Piano"

Dave

Funkybot wrote:

Have you heard the Sampletank Free piano or some of the Sonic Synth painos from Sonic Reality? I really love the Pianos on the SR eROM, just for the fact that they actually sound like well mic'd pianos as opposed to digital pianos (like the sound you get from the ST Free one). Plus they just fit in a mix gorgeously. If you were doing classical piano, then I'd say look at Gigapiano or the The Grand just for that extra tiny bit of expression the huge size gives you, but for just about everything else, I'd say that the Sonic Synth or Piano Collection pianos will work amazingly well.

Thanks for all the responses everyone.

Isn't there also a free demo of the Sonic Synth piano on the ST user area? FreeSoundz.3 I believe....

cheers

gspin

The piano in the Edirol SuperQuartet sounds nice...although its overpriced.

It depends on the kind of music you do. FYI, classical music people do no think Gigapiano is the best. Check the Northern Sounds forum if you're intrested in giga format libraries.

Can you elaborate more on why you didn't like SampleTank's piano? Maybe I could help if you did.

I think there's a free Piano/Strings patch, but not a free Piano on it's lonesome. I'd say take a chance and spend the cash on the Piano eROM, for that cheap I can't believe you'd find better, or even do wrong.

Personally, I love the giga Steinway, but don't really care for the Yamaha (even tho that is my fav real brand)
That being said, I am pretty well pleased with the pianos in Sonic Synth
although some of them have some pretty twangy unisons. but that may be intentional.
mda piano is pretty good, as long as you're not playing solo.
bluedad

Just to re-iterate my earlier post that on the price/performance and most importantly variety, Soni Synth is hard to beat. I love the C7 and SR Grand in Sonic Synth.


As to the Bardstown audio bosendorfer, it is pricey and was originally for Giga (although I think it is now available for other samplers as well, probably Halion). Tried it once, loved the sound, but it is just the one piano and very expensive.

progfusion74 wrote:

As to the Bardstown audio bosendorfer, it is pricey and was originally for Giga (although I think it is now available for other samplers as well, probably Halion). Tried it once, loved the sound, but it is just the one piano and very expensive.

They just released the EXS24 version of bosendorfer. They're planning to introduce a Kontakt version as soon as Kontakt gets disk streaming. By the way, it's $199.

I use VSampler for Pianos. I have 3 or 4 Piano soundfonts that are over 100Mb in size, and they play fine in VSampler after a little tweaking of the velocity response. I tend to run it through PSP Pianoverb.

The one I prefer is around 220Mb, based on the Akai Splendid Piano samples.

Kajiki wrote:

progfusion74 wrote: As to the Bardstown audio bosendorfer, it is pricey and was originally for Giga (although I think it is now available for other samplers as well, probably Halion). Tried it once, loved the sound, but it is just the one piano and very expensive. They just released the EXS24 version of bosendorfer. They're planning to introduce a Kontakt version as soon as Kontakt gets disk streaming. By the way, it's $199.

That's not bad at all. I always thought the giga version was more.

the only pianos that really work for me thus far are those in EDIROL Superquartet, and the concert grand piano in the new Edirol Orchestral VSTi, is just excellent.

-david abraham

...i continously propose "big" pianos from akay/roland samples and soundfonts played with halion or vsampler... but my colleagues and clients force me to choose MDApiano for everything from techno to ballads!!

I use the Grand Piano that comes with Halion. It seems quite good but I have to say the best piano I have ever used is my Yamaha P200. It's not cheap. It lists for about $1800 US but what a sound!!!!

The best sounding software piano I've used is the samples from Bitheadz "Black & Whites" - see http://www.bitheadz.com/prod/B&W/main.htm

It comes in the Bitheadz proprietary Unity format, but this can be converted using Translator and others. The large Steinways on it are absolutely gorgeous.

Here is a link to free Akai piano soundset, the Spledid Grand:
ftp://ftp.akaipro.co.jp/

I don't think anyone posted this on the thread yet...

I think that mdaPiano is good, especially in a mix, but I'm disappointed that I can only use it in Logic as a VSTi. It's the only VSTi that doesn't work in Sonar using my VST-DX adapter.

For this reason, I also checked out some cheap options for samples, and found that the 7' Stereo Grand Soundfont Piano from Sonic Implants is pretty decent for $20. You'll need to run a soundfont compatible instrument if you go this route. I'm using LiveSynth Pro in Sonar for now.

I must say though that there isn't a whole lot of difference in sound once its in the mix (depending on material of course).

I'm actually going to consider Sonic Synth when I get a little time to check it out.

In a couple of weeks I'm going into the studio to sample a couple of pianos. All pianos will be sampled all notes, in 16 velocities. Both pedal up and down.
A Malmsjo Grand will be used in two different setings. One ambient miked and one more closely, brighter version.
I'll also sample a ordinary upright piano. It wiil be sampled "normally" + a tacky version where the piano will be slightly out of tune.
All instruments will initially be released in HALion and Giga versions and have a VERY nice pricetag.
If you have any questions or, by all means, suggestions about the project, let me know

Hey Worra nice to see you over here, and to know that your site is back up and running with the downloads. I had just given up on ya, when all of a sudden you're back. Ever think of hosting formats other than Gigasampler? Everyone with Gigasampler (or who knows someone with Giga that will let you resample some nice sounds in your own format) check out Worras site, lots of great free multisamples up with links for purchases of other sample CDs.

BTW since we're on the subject of nice Piano sounds and Worra just popped in check out the Maganda piano if you have Gigasampler. It's a gorgeous sounding freebie.

Where can I download those MDN Piano free VST's at?

I went here:

http://www.pluginspot.com/English/frames.html

and it sent me here:

http://66.96.213.229/fruityloops/Demo/

Which is just the FruityLoops homepage, and I could not locate those MDA Piano plugs anywhere on that site? Everyone talks so highly of them, I'd really like to try them out.

thx!

http://www.pluginspot.com/English/frames.html
try that
bluedad
and while you're there, may as well pick up the fabulous epiano, too!

The main site will link you to it too and you can get the whole lot of other fantastic stuff while you're there!
http://www.mda-vst.com/

Kajiki wrote:

Can you elaborate more on why you didn't like SampleTank's piano? Maybe I could help if you did.

I just thought it was very thin and without any nuances. Really difficult for me to use for any solo parts.

Thanks.

I sometimes will layer a couple MDA Piano's using different presets and change the attack and decay on them to makes something decent. I also like to mix them up with a MDA ePiano or a piano soundfont sometimes to get some good results. I use one and then the layer I keep nice and quite but it does add somewhat of a nice feel to a piano sound

Fruity Piano, Fruity Keys, or whatever it's going to be called, is in the works. I can't wait for it. I hear it's going to be a combo of MDA Piano and MDA ePiano, and will use some other nice samples (Steinway, etc) to make some pretty lovely Piano sounds.

Let's hope this thing comes out nice

gspin wrote:

Kajiki wrote: Can you elaborate more on why you didn't like SampleTank's piano? Maybe I could help if you did. I just thought it was very thin and without any nuances. Really difficult for me to use for any solo parts.

I think I know exactly what you mean. Ultimately you might want to get an expensive library that costs $200+. But if you don't have a VST sampler, Kontakt and Halion both come with a fine piano sample.

jdg used Kontakt's piano in the song you can download from this thread.

no3y3h4nd used Halion's piano in his July contest song, but I can't find it on his website.

I use Kontakt's piano, so if you want me to create an mp3 from your MIDI file, let me know.

Well........ I might have fallen to hmmmmmmm what you might say hmmmmm well lets just say that I have downladed the 256meg splendid piano from Akai's FTP for free and it sounds better then any item that I have paid for.

I have also found some sound fonts (not piano) that sound a heck of a lot better then some items that I have paid for....


With the new little one comming...(baby) maybe this weekend... I need to start sticking to the free stuff plenty of goods out there that are free

cya

Funny thread...

I actually decided to give up the bullsh*t and went out and bought a decent Kawai upright piano - sometimes it doesn't get better than the real thing and a nice set of mics....

I still use the "Ultimate Piano Collection" from East West - I think it came out in 1996... the Fazioli F228 patches sound completely organic coming out of my old Akai S3000. I close my eyes and I really believe...

Quote:

I actually decided to give up the bullsh*t and went out and bought a decent Kawai upright piano - sometimes it doesn't get better than the real thing and a nice set of mics

Cool res! I wish I could put my piano in the same room I do music in, but it won't make the odd turn. I am planning on doing some remodeling in the future so I can make it happen.
And one of these days I'll buy a midi kit to put on it as well.
bluedad

bluedad wrote:

Quote: I actually decided to give up the bullsh*t and went out and bought a decent Kawai upright piano - sometimes it doesn't get better than the real thing and a nice set of mics Cool res! I wish I could put my piano in the same room I do music in, but it won't make the odd turn. I am planning on doing some remodeling in the future so I can make it happen. And one of these days I'll buy a midi kit to put on it as well. bluedad

bluedad, just snap a couple of long mic cables together, run them through the house, and get bluemom to press 'record' on the computer...

Thanks for the replies everyone!!!

Here's my dilemma: unfortunately I can't get "the real thing" because of space/neighbours. Sure I could get a good digital piano or a Motif8 but let's just say for now I would be content with a very good softpiano.

And here is where I come out for now:

Gigapiano: no-can-do, I have a Mac and am still waiting for Kontakt for Mac to be released (in which case, supposedly I could import/stream Giga samples).

Unity Black & Whites: I have tried Unity DS-1 and found it buggy and very slow (it would also crash quite often). I don't know if Black & Whites (which I understand is based on the same architecture) would be problematic too...

Steinberg The Grand: supposed to be good (albeit a bit temperamental and difficult to use) HOWEVER, I understand it uses PACE Interlock copy-protection which is a big pain.

What to do???

By the way, has anyone tried the East-West Prosamples Steinway?


Thanks guys.


gspin

Hey, Guys. I've been reading these boards for that last few months. However, I've never posted. This board has been a great info source for someone new to computer music.

Anyway, gspin, another suggestion for you...

I can't remember if soundfonts have been mentioned (and I;m too lazy to re-read the thread ). But, I use the GP1 soundfont from StudioAx:

http://studioax.desertsites.net/home.html

This Soundfont is the sole reason why I jumped in to computer music. I couldn't afford a "real" piano nor a good digital piano from Yamaha etc. When I heard about soundfonts and then the demo of the GP1, however, I rushed out and purchased an Audigy card and the GP1 sountfont.

Obviously, I'm not a pro here, but I like to think I know a good sounding piano when I hear one...I think the GP1 is great.

Anyway, I think you should take a look at it, at least. I love it...the best 35 bucks I've spent

My 2 cents.

The surprising thing in this thread is that nobody jumped in to "defend" Sonic's Piano Collection.

Is it really that "thin"?

There must be a good pianist out here who's familiar with Sonic Collection Pianos and knows better?

I must say, that I'm quite a fan of the pianos in Sonic Synth. They're just fine for me. I love the Yamaha C-7, which ironically, I did not like in the Gigasampler..
bluedad

gspin wrote:

By the way, has anyone tried the East-West Prosamples Steinway? gspin

gspin,

That's part of the "Ultimate Piano Collection" by East West that I was referring to.... And yeah, I've tried them, there's two steinways on the disc, the Steinway C and the Steinway D.... they're nice but they don't come close to the Fazioli I mentioned... might just be one pianists personal opinion but I'm still in love with the sound of that piano... (like I said - I close my eyes and I believe)

And Kevvvvv, don't you think that's a loaded question for this forum???

um ... loaded question? Yes and no.

I like Sonic's Piano CD (a lot), but I'm no great shakes as a pianist so, in a way, my opinion doesn't count.

I'd like to hear a self-confessed unashamedly good pianist speak out one way or the other.

And also, we're not in Sonic's forum, which generally doesn't encourage anything that might be construed as negative about Sonic products.

So yes ... I'd enjoy hearing an expert opinion or two or three about my Sonic Piano Collection.

I'd like to recommend the GP1 soundfont too- every time I fire it up & play- & it makes me want to jam- I'm re-amazed- it just doesn't sound like most sf2s- it has a kind of pristine clarity & and the most playable & satisfying change of tone with velocity. Sonic Synth pianos are very good and varied though some are marred by crude velocity switching and I find vst pianos especially need very low latency - my supposed 8ms wth my Audiophile card isn't good enough for me to feel really connected to the sound. My other fav is the giga Malmsjo ( 1gig in size about £70 sterling)- it's not a pop piano to cut thru a mix but has the most gorgeous creamy organic sound of any sample or synth I possess.

I've got Sonic's Piano CD and I'm very pleased with it.
I've also got Sampletank XL, The Grand and a real upright piano.
Yes a real piano is something amazing, as a real rhodes can be. Even more !
I still have problemes using my real piano in recordings (it's too often out of tune and getting the right sound isn't very easy).
So I mainly now use Sonic's collection. I find the sounds very realistic and easy to use, and a great wide variety. You even get some nice rhodes and wulitzers in the set (I won't talk too much about the Harpsicord)
The Grand is nice, but I find it a bit too metalic and too heavy on the system, but the way it uses sustain is intresting (havn't tried Gigapiano!)

I always play the piano on the real one, often record my singing while playing the real one (give a nice kind of piano reverb) and then play the same piano part using one of Sonic Synth's pianos for the recording

kevvvvv wrote:

The surprising thing in this thread is that nobody jumped in to "defend" Sonic's Piano Collection. Is it really that "thin"? There must be a good pianist out here who's familiar with Sonic Collection Pianos and knows better?

Hey Kevvvvv,

I wasn't referring to Sonic's Piano Collection. I was referring to Sampletank's pianos and Sonic's free downloads. I don't know if the poor sound is more attributable to the ST platform itself, which in my opinion makes almost everything sound brittle and "unorganic" compared to other softsamplers (e.g. Unity, which sounds great but is way more cumbersome). In any event, I wouldn't be able to use those pianos for anything.

Now, I am by no means a serious pianist. I suspect, though, that a serious (or even semi-serious) pianist would go into convulsions if he/she/it heard some sounds that I believe are workable and decent. I can only imagine what they would say about ST's pianos. Whatever. Everyone has their tastes and are accustomed to different uses/applications.

cheers,

gspin

mtyas wrote:

I've got Sonic's Piano CD and I'm very pleased with it. I've also got Sampletank XL, The Grand and a real upright piano. Yes a real piano is something amazing, as a real rhodes can be. Even more !

What formats does Sonic's Piano CD come in? Can you use it other than with Sampletank?

Thanks

gspin

gspin wrote:

What formats does Sonic's Piano CD come in? Can you use it other than with Sampletank? Thanks gspin

The eROM is Sampletank format. Sonic Reality also has a Concert Grand Pianos set with a 7 and a 9 foot Yamaha grand, in Akai, Roland, Kurzweil, SampleCell and Emu formats:

http://www.ilio.com/sonicreality/grandpiano/index.html

Check this page before you spend any money.

http://www.realprosounds.com/

PMI bosendorfer 290 is the best sampled piano on the planet!
http://www.postmusicalinstruments.com/

Kajiki wrote:

Check this page before you spend any money. http://www.realprosounds.com/

The sf2 versions available now but it's a 59.9mb zip

Moritz Morpheus MkIII wrote:

hmm, I never heard about Bardstown Audio Bosenderfer..is it a vsti? does anybody own it? cheers, moritz

Hi,

Kip's great Piano sample of the Borsendorfer comers in many other formats, Giga, Halion, Kontakt etc..There is a 24 bit version for the hardware samplers that handle 24 bit. I use this piano exclusively in all of my scores and endorse Kip's product(s)

Alan Russell

Real Pro Sound's site seems to be down?

This is my favorite by far...

http://www.vintaudio.com/Index.htm

Nice guy also

bard wrote:

I'd like to recommend the GP1 soundfont too-

Is it just me, and is it just the demo, but do the notes seem to float to different places in the space? This piano does sound lovely...just with headphones I get some notes to the left and some to the right. And this doesn't seem to coincide with left and right hands.

I'm not sure if you have seen this site yet, but it's a great resource when it comes to comparing virtual pianos:

http://purgatorycreek.com/pianocompare.html

Personally, I have been using Edirol's SuperQuartet, Sonic Reality Piano Collection and Lounge Lizard 2 (for EPs). Of those, the SuperQuartet sounds the best to me.

However, I just ordered the Plugsound Keyboard Collection and the EastWest Bosendorfer 290 (24-bit Kontakt engine version) to give those a shot as well. I've always wanted a decent Bosendorfer, but I don't own GigaStudio or Kontakt, so the EastWest plug-in should hopefully do the job for me.

Hello-
I agree with some that you say-in a mix most piano emulations will do the trick, mda and others.
Doesn`t anybody use ds404?
I have tried it for a while now and think that it works fine.
There is also a lot of instruments (pianos rhodes..horns,stings...)
on the cm-cd`s, and a couple of the pianos sounds really ok for what I do..
(CM=computer music)
That would be my advice if anyone asked me..
/madvikins
http://www.hwagang.com

I've tried a few piano VSTis and always ended up with less than stellar results, mostly due to 16-to-24 bit conversion issues. So what I bought was a pro piano library for my Kurzweil K2500, which absolutely blew me away.

So I recommend:

http://www.boldersounds.com/

Get the "Bolder Pianos" collection for your sampler (hardware or software). It's available in several formats, and is hands down the best sampled piano I've heard.

I've decided that when this piano sound fails me, I'm going to quit screwing around and just get a decent upright piano.

audionicks wrote:

PMI bosendorfer 290 is the best sampled piano on the planet! http://www.postmusicalinstruments.com/

Beats most of the other c**p people have been suggesting here Was by far the best I heard in the Purgatory Creek comparison. The Bardstown version ain't bad either... Couldn't check out Kajiki's suggestion, the site seems to be down.

For the meantime, I use the AKAI 256MB Splendid Grand, or the Gigapiano, which do me fine

The two pianos I like the best:

1. The Plugsound Keyboards collection. (Volume 1): the Rock Piano3 is great with a very little tweaking. (Extend the decay and the release.)

2. The Vintaudio Uprights collection. (Extend the decay and the release.)

Depends waht you're doing with it really don't it? Personally I have very liite 'solo piano' bits and bobs in owt I ever do, so MDA piano given a bit of eq will sort me out every time.


Incidentally, I am quite intrigued with the piano arguments here, almost as bad as the old 303..post some examples of your piano music, I am intrigued! Are you any good?

donkey tugger wrote:

Are you any good?

Not me, I'm afraid ...

iDavid wrote:

This is my favorite by far... http://www.vintaudio.com/Index.htm Nice guy also

Ok, I'll add some more.

I bought the Upright collection and it is the best sample library I own

It comes with two pianos: A Steinway upright with tons of variation and a 1908 Clinton with nice character

You got to hear the demos
http://www.vintaudio.com/GUPCDemos.htm

It was $110 and should be at least twice that

Ian B wrote:

Kajiki wrote: Check this page before you spend any money. http://www.realprosounds.com/ The sf2 versions available now but it's a 59.9mb zip

This site is apparently gone, so they've possibly renamed it or moved it to another server. What's the piano called, so I can search for it? Or anyone know where realprosounds went?

I want to know too... Somebody... Anybody....

iDavid wrote:

iDavid wrote: This is my favorite by far... http://www.vintaudio.com/Index.htm Nice guy also Ok, I'll add some more. I bought the Upright collection and it is the best sample library I own It comes with two pianos: A Steinway upright with tons of variation and a 1908 Clinton with nice character You got to hear the demos http://www.vintaudio.com/GUPCDemos.htm It was $110 and should be at least twice that

Just read the website on this...I was puzzled why anyone would sample a steinway upright..then find it's not a steinway at all, but a Boston..ok, it IS designed by Steinway, but is really made for them by Kawai. So, it doesn't sound like a Steinway at all..but I'm quibbling here, Bostons are really nice pianos.

This may be the most honest thread I've ever read in any musical forum. I've been downloading stuff all night and I don't really disagree with aqnything I've read here.

Piano is probably most common denominator among anybody trying to create anything remotely resembling music. This thread made me snap to why I really hate most of the piano samples I've heard - I have to rework them just to get where I want to start from. It's so different than picking up one of my guitars and knowing exactly what they sound like.

And when I play three chords on an acoustic guitar I seem to expect the same faithful result of banging away with piano samples using a $60 keyboard controller. I'm delusional, but thank the gods I've got a good sequencer and can curse to high heaven while I edit the hell out of every other note.

It's a lot more frustrating to me to stare down at my keyboard when I'm using a piano sample than when I'm trying to do a saxaphone solo that requires a 100 Xs the work - just because the keyboard doesn't look at all like a sax.

I don't think I'll ever write a piano concerto, but here's my one and a half cents worth: I'm going to have to rework the hell out of every piano sample I'll ever use and it's not a lot of fun.

It cracks me up that I just downloaded the free MDA piano and "hear" no less work to be done than anything I've bought. When V-Sampler3 arrives in Sonar Producer I'll post back bitching about how I'm really better off starting off with my soundcard's on-board synth default sound. Life can be so cruel.

Bluemoon, I downloaded the the MDA piano and it works perfectly in Sonar2 using the current version of Angus' mutilated VST adapter (Cakewalk swears it will be as good as 10 months ago soon), so you might want to give it another try.

Here is a new demo featuring the Bardstown Bosendorfer, Jazz Guitars, Classic Accordions, and also DS Soundware Latin Percussion, and Trilogy Acoustic Bass. This demo was produced by Alan Russell.

Enjoy!

http://www.bardstownaudio.com/mp3/amour3.mp3

Kip McGinnis
Bardstown Audio
www.bardstownaudio.com

Hey,

No piano sample set sounds like this (intro) imho.

No, it's not ktktpiano stompyj

Cheers,
René

Fucking hell Rene, it was like I was on a sinking ship that had struck an iceberg - you want to give up selling yer mums synthesizers and get into film music, stupendous!!

What?

Sorry, I can't allow you call my synths 'mums synthesizers'.
Granny gave them to me


Cheers,
René