Can someone tell me a little about this title, and if there are any alternatives?

thanks

Is this a bass sample title? IMO...Spectrasonics Bass Lengends is a great collection. Not only do I have the best bass players around, but the samples are killer. Not too mention, they work flawlessly with my HALion...

musictech wrote:

Is this a bass sample title? IMO...Spectrasonics Bass Lengends is a great collection. Not only do I have the best bass players around, but the samples are killer. Not too mention, they work flawlessly with my HALion...

Yeah, isn't Marcus Miller on that one? He's so funky you can smell him.

I think that library might be a little overboard for my needs, I really just want some flexible upright sounds(things like bends and overplucks). For more traditional bass sounds I'm waiting for the SR Bass Erom.

Is Bass Legends more about bass loops or multisample patches?

Bass Legends has loops and multisamples. The multisamples are a little small given todays standards but most of them still sit very well in the mix. Though I'd wait to see what spectrum has got up his sleeve with Trilogy before looking into Bass Legends.

The Larry Seyer bass is just one bass. It's got slides, release samples and body resonance. In my opinion it's got too much character though and doesn't play well with others.

There's a lot of good bass libraries out there but most of them have only one upright bass and maybe an extra patch with some thumps and slides. I cant really think of anything that stands out in that regard.

toast wrote:

Bass Legends has loops and multisamples. The multisamples are a little small given todays standards but most of them still sit very well in the mix. Though I'd wait to see what spectrum has got up his sleeve with Trilogy before looking into Bass Legends. The Larry Seyer bass is just one bass. It's got slides, release samples and body resonance. In my opinion it's got too much character though and doesn't play well with others. There's a lot of good bass libraries out there but most of them have only one upright bass and maybe an extra patch with some thumps and slides. I cant really think of anything that stands out in that regard.

now my decisions are getting more difficult. Larry's is half the price of Bass Legends. And Trilogy will be $400. All I really want is an upright

What does it mean to have "too much character"? How does it not play well with others? Do you have this title?

Does chicken sys translator support giga? How much RAM would you need to use this library?

Mr. Tunes, I am not sure it Trilogy has uprights, but you might want to wait for that.

progfusion74 wrote:

Mr. Tunes, I am not sure it Trilogy has uprights, but you might want to wait for that.

It does have uprights. It's just a question of whether it includes special upright patches that do those extra techniques

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What does it mean to have "too much character"? How does it not play well with others? Do you have this title?
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Yeah, I have it. It's kind of hard to explain, but I'll try. It's really beautifully recorded, I dont think that there is anything else out there that sounds anywhere near as good. When I first heard it I was like, "Word!" You can hear the wood this thing was made out of. It works fine for playing over drums with maybe a little percussion but once you start adding adding more parts in it just doesn't sit well. Every note at both the hard and soft velocities for lack of a better term is like an accent. It's not that it sounds bad, just out of place. It's never found it's way to the end of a tune, its always gotten replaced. Also the whole thing is like 100mb and some change. The CD just has multiple versions of the same samples laid for playing with midi guitar controllers and the like.

I dont think Translator supports translating gigs but cdxtract does. It's not loading the full sample set into ram so it only needs like 20mb or so.

Obviously, I dont even know how to quote so I'm not sure how much attention you should pay to me.

I too find the sayer bass to have tons of character, but I like it very much in the right contexts.

it's like you're hearing a real human play this wonderful old and somewhat idiosyncratic bass up really close, complete with string rattle on some notes and differences of tone from note to note and string to string.

it might not be the thing for an anonymous bass function in a big band tune, say, but for small ensembles where you actually want that kind of intimate detail, it's amazing. incorporating slides and little special moves is a pain, at least the ways I know how to work with samples, and I'm always afraid they sound a little like gimmics, but they're there if you can use em.

I guess the way I'd say it is that every note is kind of like its own little special, different from the others and full of character. where that's a good thing, I'm blown away.

thanks for explaining a little bit more.

I plan to use it in hip-hop/drum n' bass tracks where it will be just the upright, the beats, and maybe a rhodes or organ sound.

what upright collections sound better with more instruments layered? i thought a real upright doesn't even sound great with many instruments?

Upright basses work fine with other instruments but they are not usually mic'ed so they sit so up frount. The sound of Seyer's bass is not the same sound you would get by sampling the likes of Cecil McBee, Ron Carter or Henry Franklin off an old record. That being said, probably the most common bass sound in hip-hop is a filtered one (or at least it was, I dont really keep up anymore.) You can achieve this with any multisample run through a lowpass, the trick is adding some other noises or instruments on top and filtering them as well to create ghosts like you would get from a filtered loop.

I dont know of any other upright bass samples that have up and down slides for every possible note. There's a couple electric basses like that. There's tons of upright basses out there but a couple free or cheap ones would be the free one in exs format at http://biobonsai.com//exs24/exs242.html or the $10 .sf2 at http://www.sonicimplants.com/Products/guitarsandbass.htm Both will probably play better with other instruments but wont be nearly as impressive by themselves and I dont think they include any thumps or slides.

Yes, Trilogy has all the slides, noises, harmonics, etc for every note of the killer acoustic bass it has. Velocity switching versions, straight versions...slides at different tempos, etc. It's the most extensively sampled acoustic out there....even more than Larry Seymore.

Another major advantage of Trilogy is that the Microphone and Pickup balance is user adjustable, which solves exactly the issue that is being discussed here about how to fit Acoustic Bass samples in a mix.

And let's not forget the True Staccato technique...Trilogy is only bass with that feature and it makes all the difference in the world for realistic repeated notes and accurate phrasing....easy to play it in real-time too.

It's really a killer sound on Trilogy, definitely one of the highlights of the instrument.

Tunes.....we gotta get you in the Spectrasonics camp one way or another ....you've been dancing around getting our stuff for too long and you're really missing out. Something like Bass Legends is a WAY better deal than Larry Seymore's Acoustic. That's a nice Bass, but it's only this one sound. For another $100 you could have John Pattitucci's Killer Acoustic multisample, plus all his Acousic bass grooves that are recorded in every key. The hip thing is to cut them up and use bits of Pattituccis grooves with the multisamples...then you get the best of both worlds. Plus....you get all the other Electric Basses and grooves! There's literally 50 times the material with Bass Legends.

Or just mess with the cheap downloads and soundfonts, and start saving for Trilogy.

Electronic Musician is doing a big round-up soon on all the Bass products, including Bass Legends and Trilogy if you need more convincing.

All the best,

spectrum

samples? only $100 per instrument? get yourself a z1/moss card