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AuthorTopic: Cheese Machine Velocity response
dor-x
Posted: 9th September 2002 17:38
Does it have any?
No matter how hard or soft I push the keys the sound is the same.
It's a big shame for I really love this plugin sound. Am I doing something wrong?
Har
Posted: 9th September 2002 17:45
You're not doing anything wrong; AFAIK the Cheese Machine is designed to emulate the old string ensembles from the 70's (like the ARP/Solina String Ensemble, etc), and they didn't have any velocity control from their keyboards either.
dor-x
Posted: 9th September 2002 20:24
Yeah?
That's one thing I really needn't it to emulate, same as Model-E isn't monophonic.

I do need some good pad sounds, and I could use some help on this, as I'm always returning to the cheese machine. Where can I find pad sounds for dnb, along the lines of Good Looking records (LTJ bukem)? kind of morphing sounds from one waveform to another?
Kerrydan
Posted: 10th September 2002 07:30
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Where can I find pad sounds for dnb, along the lines of Good Looking records (LTJ bukem)? kind of morphing sounds from one waveform to another?

Have you tried Green Oak Crystal yet? I haven't heard anything by LTJ bukem, but Crystal has some of the "morphiest" pads I've ever heard. Smile And it's free.

Not sure if it's exactly what you're looking for either, but you can get some great sounding pads out of both Rumplerausch Taips's Crazy Diamonds, and Big Tick Audio's Angelina.

You can look up all three instruments right here on KvR.
Har
Posted: 10th September 2002 07:46
Yep, Crystal, Crazy Diamonds and Angelina are excellent choices for pads in general. Smile

For those spacy Bukem-style pads (I know what you mean...I love his sound! Cool ), you might also want to check out GalactiX (go through all the presets to get an idea of what it can do):

http://www.smartelectronix.com/~alex/
Big Tick
Posted: 10th September 2002 13:22
Dor-x,

Har described it right, there are no velocity controls in Cheezemachine. It's partly because the originals didn't, but also because in no time, users would like velocity control over brightness, volume, envelope times, ... that would make it quite hard to integrate in the user interface without cluttering it too much... Maybe for Cheezemachine pro Smile

'Tick
dor-x
Posted: 10th September 2002 21:45
Well, now I have the full answer. I tried those vst's, found Crazy Diamonds useless for me, and Crystal great, but just don't have the right patch as yet. They really out to make some more presets. (I do have that extra pack already).
I know what I want, a pad that'll change a sinus based signal into a triangel one into a squre one slowly. The PPG was supposed to do it, I think, but I couldn't put my finger on a satisfying patch.

BTW thanks for the great instrument, Big Tick.
I do think, though, that each voice needs velocity more than it's own brightness settings or envelope, and mabe you could post a midi controll chart?
Caleb
Posted: 11th September 2002 03:54
Wow! Sinus to a Triangle to a Square over time?

You sound like you're describing the magnificent WaveDream that comes with Orion, Orion Pro and Orion Platinum. Unfortunately it isn't sold separately, so if you happen to already like whatever host you've got, it would be a pain to integrate it into your set up.

Angelina does morphing but not of simple wave forms like that. It's more morphing of vocal sounds.

You could always automate mixing between between 3 different oscillators using VST automation on most synths, but I'm guessing that's not really going to cut it for you.

Doesn't Pentagon and VAZ2010 both have capability to load wavetables and do something similar to this?
kritikon
Posted: 11th September 2002 14:05
Try out LinPlugs synths - the Delta III has some very flexible modulation options on it, some smooth sounding oscillators - even the digital waves are good, and the analogue waves are similar to the Korg MS20 in that you can morph a square wave into a saw wave (with the MS20 it was square to sine), and you can also route the pulse width to loads of other mod options - so you can morph the saw into any width of pulse as well as square. It really is flexible and sounds good. (Personally I think the filter res is a bit white-noisy when driven ) but for pads it is probably exactly what you're looking for.

A warm sounding filter (you probably wouldn't want to self oscillate a filter on pads anyway) and a good selection of filters too - in fact it's got one of the best highpass filters I've heard on a VSTi without spending hundreds of dollars - you can have two filters independent of each other or in linked (fancy one wave in lowpass filtering down with another wave in highpass filtering up?), with a huge set of envelopes available - you can have an env on EACH oscillator, on EACH filter, and an extra mod env thrown in for weirdness duties (say, resonance). 4 LFOs all independent with phase control etc.

All the knob twiddles are recordable, so you can have different morphs on each oscillator as well!

There is a demo available to give you a good idea of what it can do. With a little tweaking you'll soon have 4-oscillator pads - all with different waveforms morphing to other waveforms (individually too, not just globally) with LFO mods to the cutoff or resonance or pulsewidth(s), individual tremelo and individual amp mod.

Or try out the FreeAlpha- a cut down version of the DeltaIII for free. Good to give you a taste for the Delta. DeltaIII is pretty well priced considering what it's capable of ($69US I think, though I could be wrong on that one) - It's on my list for definite - at present I'm still fiddling about with the demo, but as soon as my credit card will allow me to, it'll be my next buy.

It can do basses, leads etc, but in my view its real strength is in evolving sounds, pads especially. It won't evolve as much as Crystal, which is your best bet for weird sounds, but it will make warmer more analogue sounding pads that change subtly rather than leaping from one atmosphere to another.

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