Hi all:

Just some lines to present our new (and first) plugins, made with SynthEdit. They are two synths, JG-3 and Devil Inside, and an effect called Elottronix.

JG-3 is a 3 oscillator 8 voices polyphonic synth, with a 4 pole fully automatable filter. Maybe you'll find it useful for thick electronic basses and pads.

Devil Inside should be good for the "bad boys", because features 2 oscillators, waveshaper distortion, filter cutoff controlled by key velocity, and feedback delay. All the parameters are easily automatable by standard MIDI controllers. It sounds aggresive, sometimes maybe very aggresive...

Finally, Elottronix is an emulation of Rober Fripp's effect commonly known as "Fripptronix", I mean, two independent lines of looped delay with times from 2 to 8 seconds, 1 oscillator per line with control over pitch and 7 possible waveforms, and also autopan and slider for dry/wet mix.

Well, I haven't much more to say about them, just taste for yourself and post your comments here if you want, positive of negative.

http://elogoxa.da.ru

Thanks for you attention!

Sahul

And they have bloody great artwork in the GUI's.

I tried the JG3 but it gave me all kinds of unexpected notes and glitches in the sound. I'm using Orion Platinum and most other available SynthEdit creations work without problems.

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I tried the JG3 but it gave me all kinds of unexpected notes and glitches in the sound. I'm using Orion Platinum and most other available SynthEdit creations work without problems.

Thanks for the advice. We tested all them with Cubase 5, SX and Logic 5, and worked fine. So we'll have to take a look at Orion to see what's happenning there.

Sahul

Ah, OK. I will do some more testing so I can give you some more info. I'll get back to you later

I have tried all these plug-ins and I think they are all fantastic - They certainly provided sounds/noise that I cannot get out of my other arsenal of plug-ins and yes, they have great front-ends.

Good job! Well done!

By the way........they work fine in ACID 4.0 and Fruity loops

These look the nuts! I'll give these a good look over the weekend and give my inexpert and amateur opinion on monday
thanks for the link

MattC

I tried the link, but just end up with a blank black page?

Hi:

The page makes a redirection, so maybe your browser has a problem with that javascript. Try this alternative: http://www.arrakis.es/~elogoxa

Sahul.

I assume these are PC only......

An yet another reason to go PC...

Sahul wrote:

Hi: The page makes a redirection, so maybe your browser has a problem with that javascript. Try this alternative: http://www.arrakis.es/~elogoxa Sahul.

I see....
Well I have them now...thank you...I'll get back in here after I get a chance to play with 'em...

The instruments are raw, harsh and good-lookin'! ...
...some inspiring presets you get there,...at least.Really nice

but the Topact for me is the mighty, mighty Elottronix !!!

This dead simple and ingenious effect discovers "the magic of long-distance tapedelays" at once....
Just give it a try ! You might get on for hours.

....and there is a big need for an update with a svnch-option ! Please !!

they are all wonderful instruments BUT i installed them in cubase 5.0 and they both went bonkers and then froze up but keep up the good werk they sound very new(devil) and look very nice

Nice, great work had some "denormal" problems in massiva though with both synts, shouldn't be too hard to fix(?). The cpu jumps from 5% to 250% on the release stage. Turning down the filter seems to avoid it.

jorgen

First of all, thank you very much to all people that has expressed their opinion in this topic for the kind comments, that really encourages us to improve the plugins the best as possible. This is a spare time project, we are all continously learning new things, so nothing can never be considered as "finished".

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i installed them in cubase 5.0 and they both went bonkers and then froze up

I don't know the reason why, because we have tested the plugs a lot in Cubase 5.1 (it's our main program) and never had a single problem or freeze. Are you using the latest Cubase 5 version (5.1 R1 or R2 PB2)?

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had some "denormal" problems in massiva though with both synts, shouldn't be too hard to fix(?). The cpu jumps from 5% to 250% on the release stage.

We are aware of those problems, but being sincere, we still don't really know if they are a standard denormalization problem (which is very easy to fix), or the combination of modules we made with SynthEdit that produces the overload. We are working on it. Anyway, we'll download also a demo of Massiva to test the plugs there, thanks for reporting the bug.

Sahul.

Hi Sahul,
I've tried the synths and also got the "cpu spikes", 90% and more just playing single notes in Orion Platinum, Fruityloops 3.56 and Cubase 5.1 r1 (just to confirm as you say Cubase is your main prog'). No freezes but I do get glitches, odd notes but I'm using a P4 2.0, which are very susceptible to this "bug" so it could easily be the denormal issue. They look great and the Elottronix fx is superb

Hi Ian:

Your post is very very helpful, because certainly we have only tested the plugins in PIII and Athlon PC's, so it could easily be the denormalization problem which arises here. We will work on it and post an update fixing the problem soon.

Thanks again.

Sahul.

Hello again:

We have updated all our plugins, just to introduce a denormals eliminator. I hope they will work fine now with P4 PC's. Anyway, CPU spikes are usual when using several voices of polyphony in synths made with SynthEdit. We've been testing some stuff from other SE developers, and when the synths have lot of modules and you play a chord, the CPU indicator usually goes up quickly...

By the way, this goes to P4 owners: please, would you mind to test the plugins now so we could know for sure the fix works?

And opiadream, you are welcome to share your new presets with us if you want, we would include some of the in future revisions of the synths.

Sahul.

Sahul wrote:

By the way, this goes to P4 owners: please, would you mind to test the plugins now so we could know for sure the fix works? Sahul.

Hi Sahul,
Just tried the updates, sorry to say the spikes are still there on my P4 2.0 (tested with Cubase 5.1 r1) Same as before, even playing single notes.

Same here, but they just aren't as bad as before. Almost there man! Great plugs btw. keep up the good work.

Had a short play with them last night. No problems at all in Sonar 2 with VST-DX ver. 4.

Love the tapeloop delay...

Che, Sahul, que los GUIs son muy guai! Gracias, paisano!

Ah... y amunt Valencia... que vamos a por la champions !!!

Sorry, couldn't resist... just noticed that Sahul lives exactly in the region where my parents originally came from.

Will check the synths out this evening.

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Just tried the updates, sorry to say the spikes are still there on my P4 2.0 (tested with Cubase 5.1 r1) Same as before, even playing single notes.

Oh, these are very bad news . Thank you for having the time to check it out. There isn't much more we can do about that spikes for now. Anyway, Ian, have you tested some other plugs made with Synth Edit (Cockaigne's superb synths, for example, or the excellent Aura 1.01)? Just to see if it's a common problem.

pepe, ¡encantado de ver españoles por aquí! Espero que te gusten los sintes, y si quieres colaborar con nosotros dínoslo.

trad. "pepe, glad to see Spanish people here! I hope you liked the synths, and if you want to collaborate with us just say it".

By the way, we are currently working in some new features for the Elottronix, we'll post it here when they are finished.

Sahul

Hi Sahul,
I've tried a few of the synths done with Synth Edit and I don't remember any them being prone to "spiking", they can be a bit heavy on the cpu but that's all. Cockaigne's synths are very good but not to my taste.
I've not seen Aura 1.01 before, have you got a link so I can try it?

Hi Ian:

This is the link to Aura 1.01: http://www.incadence.net/imo/synth/

Just one more thing: the spikes are in both JG-3 and Devil Inside?

Sahul

Sahul wrote:

Hi Ian: Just one more thing: the spikes are in both JG-3 and Devil Inside? Sahul

Hi Sahul,
Yes, in both synth's, especially Devil Inside for some reason, but like jorgen posted earlier in this thread

jorgen wrote:

Nice, great work had some "denormal" problems in massiva though with both synts, shouldn't be too hard to fix(?). The cpu jumps from 5% to 250% on the release stage. Turning down the filter seems to avoid it

If I turn down the filter on the affected presets, it improves things, some presets are ok tho'. I'll d/l Aura 1.01, as soon as I've finished d/l Crystal 1.5, and get back to you. Thanks for the link

Hi Sahul,
Just tried Aura 1.01, same thing, very heavy spikes on some presets. It could well be a common thing with Synth Edit synth's and P4's, I don't have this prob' with most (but not all) of my vsti's.

Hi Ian:

Big thanks again, man! Aura uses delay, filter and distortion modules, very similar to Devil Inside. So maybe the problem is there.

Sahul.

Hi Sahul'
Yeah, if it means I have to turn off/lower the use of some of the effects, etc, it's like killing half of the synth, put it down to the P4 not being "perfect" (I have done ) Like I said, I have a couple of other vsti's that used to run ok on a P3 but they are not too keen on my P4.
Just one of those things I guess. Thanks for trying anyway

Love the elettronix plug. PLEEEEEEAAAAASE make a version with up to 30 sec. looptime. I can do that in wavelab using the liveinput and feeding the signal back via the mixer. But if you could do that it would make life much easier for me (as i'm intending to use it to play soundscapes at artgalleries, libraries and so on)
PLEASE?
cheers from the increasingly autumnlike Denmark Kim Olesen

Hi Kim:

Please check your email, I've already answered to your request there: the maximum loop time we can arrive to for now is 10 seconds... Sad but true . Anyway, we'll work in a workaround. Promised!

Sahul.

You guys are incredible fast. Thanks for wanting to work on it. I simply cant wait! This maybe a possible solution. You probably have two delay modules feeding back to eachother. Is it possible to have 2 chains of delay modules (set to 10 sec. with direct level set to zero but delay level set to max and feedback set to a single echo) feeding back to eachother. That would make 30 sec in each side using 6 10 sec delay modules instead of 2 10 sec modules.
Maybe i'm way of here. (in that case sorry!).
Cheers and thanx for the swift reply Kim Olesen
(By the way jg3 and especially devil are really good synths!)

Now you can try improved versions of Elogoxa VSTs:

JG-3

Three Oscillator Polyphonic Synth VSTi

DOWNLOAD v1.52 - Fixes P4 denormals bug

THE DEVIL INSIDE

Distortion + Feedback Synth VSTi

DOWNLOAD v1.11 - Fixes P4 denormals bug

ELOTTRONIX

VST processor which emulates the famous
Robert Fripp's effect called "Fripptronix":
Two Revox B-77 making a continuous loop
(2-8 seconds delay)

DOWNLOAD v1.1 - New global ON/OFF button. Now you can improvisate notes before inserting them into the loop

http://elogoxa.da.ru

im having a nasty bug in cubase SX with ELOTTRONIX

turning off effect in the VST effect rack kills all audio:
steps to repro:
load ELOTTRONIX FX on audio track
play audio listen to it delay beautifully
hit the 'power' button on the vst effects rack for ELOTTRONIX
try to play audio track.

also, turning off the effect in the track send doesn't stop the delaying, it continues forever (thusly why i wanted to turn it off in the VST effect rack)

but man.. wtf.. these are great pluggers. the GUIs are fucking gorgous! way to go!!!

Hi jdg:

I'll test your bug report tonight and post something here, but it's very strange because Elottronix seems to work fine in Cubase SX here, but who knows . Thanks for the reply.

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also, turning off the effect in the track send doesn't stop the delaying, it continues forever (thusly why i wanted to turn it off in the VST effect rack)

To stop the delay, turn off the "circle off" button, echo will fade quickly. The ON/OFF button just prevents new notes to get looped, but it's not intended to stop the loop.

Sahul.

Hi people:

Just to mention we have updated again all our plugins. Last SynthEdit's beta brought an optimization in CPU use of about 10-20%, depending the VSTi. So we recompiled our plugins to take advantage of this: JG-3 is at v1.55 and Devil Inside at v1.2.

We have also updated Elottronix with some of your requests, the automation of all parameters. So you have Elottronix v1.2. It will be updated again soon with the option to enter directly a desired bpm (but we can't make the loop more than 10 seconds long as some of you have suggested)

Finally, we've made a special version of Cosmodelia's synth CosmoGirl: now it's called CosmoGirl II, has fresh GUI, corrected bugs, and new possibilities and presets. We are giving it the final adjusts, so it would be online very soon.

Bad news are that Pentium 4 spikes seems not to be solved with latests SynthEdit betas (any comment about this would be welcome). Jeff knows it, we hope to have a solution soon.

Sahul
http://elogoxa.da.ru

Your synths are great sahul, devil inside is one of my favorite vstis right now, so powerful and loud hehe, i made a few synths in se but gave up when it came to making the gui's and knobs that shit is tough ah well glad to see your updating your synths cause they kick ass keep it up

Hey CoreTrooper, thanks! I hope seeing your synths online very soon!

Sahul
http://elogoxa.da.ru

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turning off effect in the VST effect rack kills all audio: steps to repro: load ELOTTRONIX FX on audio track play audio listen to it delay beautifully hit the 'power' button on the vst effects rack for ELOTTRONIX try to play audio track.

Ooops, sorry, I checked that a long time ago, but forgot to reply here... Anyway, I tested Elottronix with Cubase SX 1.03 and didn't show that behaviour, it worked fine. You can test the v1.2 update, maybe it will solve your problem.

Sahul
http://elogoxa.da.ru

i down loaded the latest version of the DIS and it is a great improvement from the last version ....the note off glitch seems to be fixed..i'll let you know if i run into anything else.

thanks again and keep up the good werk

Hi Sahul,

I like your synths, and Elottronix is phantastic (I´m a big Robert Fripp fan). I only observe one strange behaviour with it in Logic 5.2: It is not only shown in the FX-menue, but also in the VSTi-menue, although it isn´t an instrument and can´t be played when loaded. Do you know the reason for that?

Thank you for your phantastic work.

Andreas