http://www.artistcollaboration.com/users/luisi/four_presets_dry.mp3
http://www.artistcollaboration.com/users/luisi/preset_power+dry+fuzzbo x.mp3
http://www.artistcollaboration.com/users/luisi/preset_soft+preset_tele .mp3

Hi
I post here the links to 3 examples I made with my upcoming Tassman patch, no effect used except Steinberg Fuzzbox plugin but only in the second half of the "power" example.

any criticism is very appreciated


thanks

liqih wrote:

any criticism is very appreciated

but none came yet <grin>

Luisi -
Hey, I dig the sounds.
1 and 3 sound pretty nice. I think this patch sounds better a bit dry eg. the muted sound.
2 didn't quite make it for me. Are you trying for that Jan Hammer kind of sound here?

Anyway, good work on these.

Doug

thanks Doug,

I like the muted soft sounds mostly too,

in the "power" example I simply tried a generic distorted sound,
but I'll try a different way


comments really help me , thanks a lot

Funnily enough, I got the opposite feeling.

The drys were okay, and could have fooled me (if you hadn't told me already, that is ) except for the mute.

Probably because muting with the heel on your palm on the bridge is more responsive and sensitive that the flat sound I heard.

Maybe a some mute control with a CC controller will make it more expressive.

As for the dry/ fuzz box mp3 ... this was my favourite and either sound would have fooled me. The mute seemed much better this time.

Playing in a guitar-ish way is what made the presets work the most. This is where you scored. It felt like the rhythm of a plec running over strings.

liqih, knowing you I guess you developed the presets yourself from scratch

Would you like to tell us a little more about working in Tassman, and what sort of ideas you used to create a guitar?

I bet there's a few people here who'd enjoy finding out more ... without the trouble of downloading a whole Tassman demo

Maybe it would encourage some to try the demo too

Anyhow ... well done. A good achievement.

No ... that's not enough. This is a unique achievement. A first

I probaby tend to be a bit over-criticial with this sort of thing (since I play guitar)...so apologies in advance.

The actual sounds themselves weren't very realistic at all to my ears (a bit too "pluck-y", which is how many synth-patches trying to emulate a guitar tend to sound IMHO)...but then, that might not have been what you were actually striving for....?

...but on the other hand: the actual *playing* of the sound in realistic fashion was pretty decent!
Especially with the final "strum" at the end of each patch on "dry", and with the palm-muted power-rhythms on "fuzzbox"....nice!

Thanks Har and Kev for the good comments and suggestions,

no apology is needed Har <grin>, I'm guitar player too (many years now)
and when I make a synthetic guitar I know before to start that it will not sound as a real guitar, never!

we did have long and interesting threads here at KVR about about guitar emulation, so we all know how complex a guitar is.

But my perspective is different somehow. Firstly as I love guitars sound
I also like "that kind of sound", guitarish could say, and any plucked,
stroke string sound.

secondly it happend that guitarists wanna to drive their guitar sound out of bouds to indistiguishible guitar sound, start with ancient overdrive to the MIDI guitar and other digital FX.

thirdly it happens that a "fake guitar" may sound better or more interesting that a real one in some mix, it depends on genre and composer choice of course.

With those things in mind I make my fake guitars synths.
Then it's up to user to do what he or she likes
with my synth.

As you noticed playing in a guitar-ish way is what make my mp3s sound
a bit more realistic and that's really needed for who wanna go for the emulation way.

I personally like the static sound of some plucked part since I don't expect a real guitar
but a "perfect" electronic sound, admittely less expressive than a real guitar hence less usefull
but as I said there must be tracks where that sound is perfect.
Ok that's my point of view so I really wanted to know what the other musicians think about that.

So I think there are at least 3 ways to use this kind of synth

1) guitar emulation: trying to come close a real guitar when you'd need it but don't have one to play
2) fake guitar : whithout trying to hide that it's a synth, cuz you want that sound
3) pluked sounds for keyboard player : nothing special here but useful can be



Kev: yes I did the examples from scrath <grin>
actually written them in cubase note by note figuring how I play guitar,
but if I had very fast guitar to midi converter (to expensive for me)
I could have gone this way.

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Would you like to tell us a little more about working in Tassman, and what sort of ideas you used to create a guitar?

I told a little about phylosophical ideas,
about tech stuff I could write for some hours <grin>

Tassman got some really powerfull modules and very easy to works with in the builder
to make new patches or modify the existing ones. But if you wanna go beynod the sounds you get that way you have
immagine unconventional usage of some modules (which in Tassman 2.1 are few) and go deep in parameters of the resonators that you can numerally enter in the properties tab .

I wanna be outspoken, I tried to make something to sell by Dash so I really needed to improve the existing patches.
Looks like I find a way using two string modules with a keyboard crossfading to overcome the difference needed to emulate high and low strings, which as you know are very different in a real guitar, and using different parameters
for each. I also built a simple but effective detune effect which adds realism too. So Guitar4 was born (at cheap about 6 bucks) I hope Tassman users would get it for such a low price at least to discover some tricks <grin>


(sorry for my "cheap" english)

Liqih,
I have no audio up here on this computer at the moment, so I can't hear the examples. However, I have already purchased all three of your new synths from DASH, this one and the Sympax Machine for Tassman, and the astounding GlitchPad for SynC Modular. Here are my immediate impressions:

For the Guitar patch, it can sound quite realistic or quite synthetic, depending on how it is played and treated. Through Amplitube it sounds pretty darn close, but not as close as some sampled guitars. However, the synthetic sound itself is actually very good, and very musical. I was able to use the "mute" patch to get a nice, percolating sequence, ala Klaus Schulze by putting some delay on it. As a bass sound, this is absolutely HUGE.

Sympax is a a real winner, and my favorite kind of thing that you make. Very experimental and very "Morton Subotnik/Donald Buchla" sounding. I've always felt Tassman was good at this type of thing, and you are the "Master" of this sort of sound. This makes for a good combination.

Finally, GlitchPad for SynC is one of the best SynC ensembles I've ever heard. I absolutely LOVED "Glitchbox", so I wasted no time in picking this one up. It not only lived up to my expectations, but surpassed them. This is truly great synthesis. Not only did one of the patches ("Grasp", I think it's called) inspire me to play, but inspired an entire piece of music for my new concept endeavor. Fantastic.

Also, I got Three Squares (x3) on Friday, and it, too, is a masterpiece. I jammed for hours with it. Nice.

liqih .. another dumb question.

If I buy one of your Tassman synths from Dash, do I need Tassman for it to run, or will it run as a regular VSTi?

Kevvvvv,
I can answer that for Liqih. Yes, as with the SynC Modular and Reaktor ensembles, you need the actual modular synth to use the DASH creations. The only modulars I know of that DON'T require that you own the modular itself are, of course, Synth Edit, and Infinity, for which there is a free Infinity Player...

(puts on "hypno-voice"): But, of course, you want to buy Tassman...But, of course, you want to buy Tassman...But, of course, you want to buy Tassman...But, of course, you want to buy Tassman...But, of course, you want to buy Tassman...But, of course, you want to buy Tassman...But, of course, you want to buy Tassman...But, of course, you want to buy Tassman...

Scot Solida wrote:

However, the synthetic sound itself is actually very good, and very musical

thanks Scot!, that's what I was looking for

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Sympax is a a real winner, and my favorite kind of thing that you make. Very experimental and very "Morton Subotnik/Donald Buchla" sounding. I've always felt Tassman was good at this type of thing, and you are the "Master" of this sort of sound. This makes for a good combination.

one word : flattered (I am)

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Finally, GlitchPad for SynC is one of the best SynC ensembles I've ever heard. I absolutely LOVED "Glitchbox", so I wasted no time in picking this one up. It not only lived up to my expectations, but surpassed them. This is truly great synthesis. Not only did one of the patches ("Grasp", I think it's called) inspire me to play, but inspired an entire piece of music for my new concept endeavor. Fantastic.

great! "Grasp" is a really advangade sound, no surprise that you love it <grin> looking forward for your music

kevvvvv wrote:

liqih .. another dumb question. If I buy one of your Tassman synths from Dash, do I need Tassman for it to run, or will it run as a regular VSTi?

as Scot said you need Tassman, next I'll try to build similar synths on Infinity and SynthEdit, but as you know each Modular got its own sound
and special features

Kev Har Scot anyone

I'd be very glad to have a comment on my thoughts in the previous message

Quote:

1) guitar emulation: trying to come close a real guitar when you'd need it but don't have one to play 2) fake guitar : whithout trying to hide that it's a synth, cuz you want that sound 3) pluked sounds for keyboard player : nothing special here but useful can be

does this and the rest make any sense to you?

you know I'm pretty lonely here in my country side and you KVR guys and girls are the only people I can share some musical toughts with and check whether I'm getting crazy ot not <grin>

Makes perfect sense to me! Of course, you know that I like my sounds to be synthetic in nature, and therefore I am interested in the last two more than the first. However, I still sometimes need to record my "guitar-thoughts" using a realistic sound, as suggested by number one. Tassman could perform this function well, but uses a lot of CPU to do so realistically. I generally use Sonic Synth for this function, for that reason. Sometimes I will write a piece with a guitar sample and later replace it with my own guitarist's recording, sometimes not. In the end, though, I end up trying to make his guitar sound unlike a guitar! Sometimes, I replace the sample with Tassman, and render to audio to conserve CPU...

Scot Solida wrote:

Makes perfect sense to me! Of course, you know that I like my sounds to be synthetic in nature, and therefore I am interested in the last two more than the first. However, I still sometimes need to record my "guitar-thoughts" using a realistic sound, as suggested by number one. Tassman could perform this function well, but uses a lot of CPU to do so realistically. I generally use Sonic Synth for this function, for that reason. Sometimes I will write a piece with a guitar sample and later replace it with my own guitarist's recording, sometimes not. In the end, though, I end up trying to make his guitar sound unlike a guitar! Sometimes, I replace the sample with Tassman, and render to audio to conserve CPU...

Thanks for the feedback Scot, I also like to see how the guitar sound is
still one of the more interesting in this world, it seems to hold all the musical aspects in one, rhythm , melody, harmony, variable timbre

liqih wrote:

Kev Har Scot anyone I'd be very glad to have a comment on my thoughts in the previous message Quote: 1) guitar emulation: trying to come close a real guitar when you'd need it but don't have one to play 2) fake guitar : whithout trying to hide that it's a synth, cuz you want that sound 3) pluked sounds for keyboard player : nothing special here but useful can be does this and the rest make any sense to you? you know I'm pretty lonely here in my country side and you KVR guys and girls are the only people I can share some musical toughts with and check whether I'm getting crazy ot not <grin>

Yep, makes sense to me too....especially as I tend to like using my guitar to create sounds and textures that aren't particularly "guitar-ish" (like the weird pad sound on my contest entry this month, done by processing my Strat to death )....gee, is it any wonder I'm a Fripp fan, and that I'm also primarily a keyboardist first? LOL

All three of your points are valid uses for this sort of sound/texture....sometimes you want to emulate a guitar as closely as possible (if you don't have the real thing handy).....sometimes you want to go specifically for the "syntho-guitar" sound (which might have a unique sound all its own, but perhaps has some guitar-like qualities in the it's timbre or how its played)....and sometimes you just want the generalized sound of a plucked/strummed instrument, period, but not necessarily a guitar per se (say, you wanted something that souded like a cimbalom).

I hate to bring up another company's product here, but: that's one of the things I stressed when reFX Slayer came out...I personally found it much more useful for times I wanted something with a guitar-like "flavor" to blend with other things, than for trying to go for a 100% accurate "real guitar" emulation (in which case...I'll just play my Strat! ).

thanks Har,
we do have similar thoughts <grin>

me too when I want a real guitar I play it, and synth one got a special flavor on its own.

love the frippertonic sound too, and I feel fake guitars very interesting for that kind of textures and to go beyond that master story

Hey Liqih,

You have a magical contraption there with DaSympax Machine! Reaktor's great and everything, but nothing sounds better than the Tassman with this kind of resonant instrument.

I hope these are successful for you and I'm looking forward to some new ones. This is cutting edge stuff...

Steve T

Steve T wrote:

Hey Liqih, You have a magical contraption there with DaSympax Machine! Reaktor's great and everything, but nothing sounds better than the Tassman with this kind of resonant instrument. I hope these are successful for you and I'm looking forward to some new ones. This is cutting edge stuff... Steve T

hey thanks ! I always feel great with those nice comments around <grin>

liqih ... have you tried the Plucked String v3 upgrade yet?

I know it's not "deep space" lab work, but it is rather nice, especially since this year we've seen a number of VSTi guitars appear.