dear friends

I am completely worn-out after a long night knob twisting
This is such a supertool
This will not leave my virtual rack in the next years.
I suggest you all try it out because it rocks solid

Borogove ... i am hooked hogtied and lost forever

excelent dudes

Hogtied? I'm sure you're in the wrong forum.

i make the expressions here
i am not in a wrong forum.

There's something about this plug-in that's very picky.

Doesn't work in Psycle--just about every other VSTi does.
Doesn't work in Buzz.
Almost works in Aodix.
Doesn't work in Renoise.
I finally got it to work in Aodix (but none of the others) by sticking it into Chainer.

Once that started working, I could save some presets and then render out some samples from Chainer. Not very usable for me now, but some of the sounds I heard were really different and nice. Needs an interface.

Quote:

Doesn't work in Psycle / Doesn't work in Buzz / Almost works in Aodix. Doesn't work in Renoise

How about using a good host

like Orion / fruity loops / cubase / muzys / Acid

yup ... it def. needs a nice interface
volenteers please !

any link? i don't know this plug!
thx

Yoieeh ! Some beautiful sounds emitting from this Heartburner .
mistertoast: It works in BUZZ - i am using the Chainer demo combining Heartburn with the Monomaker plugin from DFX.

My hosts are perfectly good for just every other VSTi I've downloaded--over a hundred. :->

Thanks for the Monomaker tip for buzz!

I have Fruity, btw. I didn't know it ran VSTis. I thought just VST effects. Fruity's nice, but I prefer to have low-level tracker control of my VSTi synths.

At first I thought heartburns filter were very week, but damn adter an hour I couldn'y let go of it, it can sound like sweet elevator music to full blown Hardcore wonderland... and everything else inbetween, the interface is uuugly but the sound...on man the sound is excellent, many sounds can be developed with heartburn, i recommend people grab the beta and and check it out, by the way to the developers if this thing was easier to read and perhaps a nicer gui I would pay for it

Anyone made any presets for it yet?

I can host them.


Cheers, Reg.

Reg

I concur as well
Instant electro-acoustic

I've made some presets, but I can't seem to store more than one in a bank. I'm using Orion Plat, anyone else has this 'problem'
-Des

Actually...for any throbbing gristle fans out there...you probably want this synth very very badly

mistertoast wrote:

There's something about this plug-in that's very picky. Doesn't work in Psycle--just about every other VSTi does. Doesn't work in Buzz. Almost works in Aodix. Doesn't work in Renoise. I finally got it to work in Aodix (but none of the others) by sticking it into Chainer.

Hmm, I don't have any of those hosts installed -- makes it kinda tricky to debug. I'll poke around and see if I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong.

-Russell Borogove

Borogrove,

That would be great. Some of the sounds I got were very compelling. I'd love to see your plugs work well in all hosts. The ones I mentioned are:

Aodix: Free
Psycle: Free
Renoise: Free, but you pay if you want to save to .wav
Buzz: Free

After seeing how the knob labels looked in Bidule and Orion, I knocked out a quick rebuild with much shorter labels. Hopefully it will be more readable, if not much more pretty. It's "Terseburn.dll", in the same zip archive as the old version:

http://www.estarcion.com/tinygod/plugins.html#heartburn

This is just a stopgap on the road to a real UI.

-Russell Borogove

I think the UI should be kind of evil looking, but not too dark.

I agree most sounds i got out of heartburn were really evil and hard maybe an all black gui with flames up and down the bottom ...that would kick ass

Hi folks,

would someone be so kind to make a mp3 available as I'm not really willing to REALLY try this thingy with that scrollable GUI . And I didn't hear anything that grabs me, hopefully I missed all the cool sounds!?
Thanx.

bajongo wrote:

And I didn't hear anything that grabs me, hopefully I missed all the cool sounds!?

You only need one control to audition its sounds. Set the mutation rate up all the way, hit notes on your keyboard until you find something interesting. Turn the mutation rate back down and play around with that sound. Repeat until bored.

-Borogove

Hi folks --

No GUI yet, sorry, but an improved version is up at:
http://www.estarcion.com/tinygod/plugins.html#heartburn

I fixed the crashes in Psycle and Renoise (mostly my bad, though Psycle tells fibs to the plugin), though I couldn't get any sound out of Psycle, with or without Heartburn involved. Not sure whether that's something I'm doing wrong or what. In Renoise, can you manipulate VST params, or are you stuck with the presets?

Aodix is very clear in saying that it fails to instance Heartburn, but unfortunately it doesn't tell me why. Probably it doesn't like the 1-in 1-out gadget claiming to be a synth. I might try and contact the developers.

Didn't try Buzz.

In addition to the bug fixes, I tweaked the minimum allowed attack time and added an automatic oscillator sync to short-attack sounds, in hopes of allowing the creation of punchier basses, though it probably won't help much.

Finally, you get 64 highly bizarre presets.

Thanks for all the feedback, folks.

-Russell Borogove

top plug borogrove, the sound really stands out even ammongst the present flood of good vstis, looking forward to a GUI as well. Good luck.

anybody making a gui for this synth? can't wait if its so

I know it's not important but I really liked the way that the mutate settings were named after nuclear accidents in the first version (3 mile island, chernobyl etc). I thought that would be a great theme for a gui......

Great work--you fixed Heartburn for Renoise. Works perfectly. Can see your presets and change between them.

I can't get it to work in Psycle yet. I left a note on the Psycle tech board. What "fib" did Psycle tell Heartburn. Something about its capabilities?

The error I get with Heartburn in Aodix is that it doesn't support VSTis that lack GUIs. Perhaps when a GUI is made, Aodix will like it better.

Anyhow, it works in Renoise. Again, thanks.

Poweruser wrote:

How about using a good host like Orion / fruity loops / cubase / muzys / Acid

do you know what the word "free" means ??

what about you giving money to people who can't afford those hosts ?

mistertoast wrote:

I can't get it to work in Psycle yet. I left a note on the Psycle tech board. What "fib" did Psycle tell Heartburn. Something about its capabilities?

The "fib" was that Psycle told Heartburn that the input channel was connected, when it wasn't, so HB tried to read the input data and crashed. I'm used to paranoid VST hosts like Mulch which provide a fake input channel full of zeros in the disconnected case, so I wasn't being properly paranoid on my end. I think there's also something lame in the design of that part of the API, such that if a host doesn't support that query, the plugin will assume it's connected, so not entirely Psycle's fault.

mistertoast wrote:

The error I get with Heartburn in Aodix is that it doesn't support VSTis that lack GUIs. Perhaps when a GUI is made, Aodix will like it better.

One hopes. I'm starting the GUI work today.

-Borogove

ksn wrote:

Poweruser wrote: How about using a good host like Orion / fruity loops / cubase / muzys / Acid do you know what the word "free" means ?? what about you giving money to people who can't afford those hosts ?

You can test it in the demo versions

Heartburn worked in Synthedit for me if anyone needs a free compatible host.

Kriminal wrote:

ksn wrote: Poweruser wrote: How about using a good host like Orion / fruity loops / cubase / muzys / Acid do you know what the word "free" means ?? what about you giving money to people who can't afford those hosts ? You can test it in the demo versions

i wasn't talking about me (i'm an happy orion owner and a proud psycle user), but some people can't buy software to make music for any reason.
demos wouldn't help them much (no saving), so i just pointed out that this post was a bit harsh for them
(i must add that some people don't have the money to buy them but also don't want to use warez software. sadly lot of people don't use free software but warez... they should try free hosts, which are not as bad as you say)

ksn

hey

I didn't talk about bad hosts
I was taking about good hosts
I never implied buzz is bad
hell I used it for a long time
but the number / tracker sequence system
just isn't very intuitive whilst orion or cubase is.
and that is probably one of the reasons you are a Orion user in the first place !

I remember as a kid :

my father and mother had some glorifying mission to free the Netherlands from all evil and therefore they were standing at the local mall
with a guitar in hand and holy grins on there faces. They were really fundamental in there believes.
I wanted to do a fight sport but they didn't let me do it because it was evil ... besides they didn't have a job either because they had some feelings God always takes care of his people. So they lived of gifts. This meant that I walked in clothes from the ragman and couldn't do sports.
I wanted a normal youth so I decided to work for my sports (at the age of 13 that is) so I took me 2 jobs as a paperboy ... one early in the morning and 1 after school. My first drum computer was paid from work I did cleaning hallways ... my first keyboard was bought after I worked in a steel factory. later I did lot's of performances with house music and I really got into a certain scene so that gave a financial boost up until my baby came and my ex told me she would do abortion if I didn't stop performing .... I decided to save this unborn child and I rent a flat which I filled with everything she and the baby needed ... ok ... flat broke again and no job and no performances.
after that follows a 8 year story I will not annoy you with

put me on 0 and I always crumble up ..... don't talk about money because everybody could have any host or software
it is my strong believe even the people considered as the lowest class could end up being millionaire.
why I am not a millionaire ? because it simply isn't that important to me.
why I rate certain hosts as bests ? because they are .

nuff said ... sorry about me nagging on ... I can get extremely fucked up at times.

PU

JAZ, from Psycle, looked into Heartburn and would like to get in contact with the developer to make it all work out. See the Tech board at Psycle.

As for "Host Discrimination."

I am perfectly willing to buy software, and I do. Heck, I've been a software developer myself for 11 years (games, not music). I'm picking up VSTi programming on my weekends, just for fun.

But I'm not going to buy any music software until I know what I want. For now I can immerse myself in free programs and learn what I can until then. The trackers seem perfectly understandable to me--they are fancy sequencers. My understanding of music is strictly mathematical. I can strum a few chords on a guitar and find some on a keyboard, but my brain understands it way better than my hands.

I'm glad you have found "real" music software that suits you. Personally I find, Psycle, Renoise ($45 if you want to save wavs), Buzz, and Aodix all a blast to use, and I don't understand why you would think you would know me well enough to judge which software would suit me best and provide me with fun and enjoyment.

mistertoast wrote:

JAZ, from Psycle, looked into Heartburn and would like to get in contact with the developer to make it all work out.

JAZ and I spent a couple of hours in back-and-forth trying to figure it out today. Some progress but we're not quite there yet.

In other news, I'm playing with UI layouts. Hopefully this week or early next week I can have a prototype GUI version up. What do most of y'all think is "too big" for a VSTi panel? The only synths I've really spent much time with that have as many controls as Heartburn are the rgcAudio Triangles and Square. I personally favor sliders over knobs, so that's how I'm going for most of Heartburn's layout. Mutate is gonna be one huge honking knob, though.

-Borogove

i find my way aroung triangle ll easily so if thats the direction your thinking its a good idea, can't wait to tweak the giant mutate knob

I favor sliders over knobs as well--they're easier to read and comprehend at a glance.

A prototype GUI for Heartburn is up at:

http://www.estarcion.com/tinygod/heartburn_prototype.html

This is programmer art, not indicative of the final style, yadda yadda. I want feedback on whether it's a good size, sane layout, etc.

-Borogove

Hi borogrove, its looking good so far, the grey is easy on the eyes and gives a retro look to it, Now that I see the mutation knob better that option is great lots of sounds to get out of it, just wish the version had a filter cutoff it would have screamed The overall size could be at least an inch bigger on all sides would be better in my opinion,great work though:D

Rob

I've had one person confess to running at 800x600, and say it was just the right size, and now another wanting it bigger. Personally I want it bigger, but y'know what? It's not that hard for me to put out two versions with a resized GUI. All the art is being done at twice the size of the prototype and scaled down from there anyway.

What do you mean by a filter cutoff? The simple filter is in the lower left, and the resonance and the cutoff frequencies over the course of the envelope are set by that bank of sliders. The 12dB/octave filter may be a little gentler than you're used to, but if you kick the resonance up to near-max it'll get a bit squeaky.

Finally... "Borogove", not "BorogRove".

Borogove wrote:

Finally... "Borogove", not "BorogRove".

I have stubby fingers

Well...both versions crashed my Orion Pro ver 3.0 badly. I'll wait for another version I guess.

Doug

shortyedwards wrote:

Well...both versions crashed my Orion Pro ver 3.0 badly.

I'm running it in Orion Pro 3.0 Demo now and it seems to work OK. Can you tell me OS version, at what point it crashed (i.e. when Orion started, when you tried to add the VST, or when it tried to play a note), and any weird numbers and letters displayed in the crash?

-Borogove

damn, I should start posting under a different topic title one of these days...

synth concept and GUI are cool (except vertical ADSR)
but the basic sound is not very musical IMHO, matter of taste I guess, I wish it was more "deep"

I really like the concepts, the web page was pretty interesting as well. Thanks for the plugins.

well
the GUI seems decent.
what about making it POLYphonic ?
that could be great.

waka x / mabento

wakax wrote:

what about making it POLYphonic ? that could be great.

Great enough to pay for?

-Borogove

I would like to see buttons to turn each oscillator on and off. Maybe there is already a way to do this??

I cannot load Heartburn 0.64 in Logic 5.2 because it isn´t shown in the VSTi menu, although it´s installed in the VSTplugins folder. A kown problem?

Andreas

Sorry Borogrove ... but when it crashed my machine I very quickly unloaded the .dll and went about my business.

Don't know if this will help or not but ...
Win95 (yes thats right,this is my work machine)
PIII 600mhz
128ram
disk space - loads
Orion Pro 3 host
non ASIO drivers
ummm what else?

Hope this helps
Doug

Andreas Ehrhardt wrote:

I cannot load Heartburn 0.64 in Logic 5.2 because it isn´t shown in the VSTi menu, although it´s installed in the VSTplugins folder.

I'd like to help, but I don't have Logic.

-Borogove

.. wrote:

I would like to see buttons to turn each oscillator on and off. Maybe there is already a way to do this??

There will be in the next release. For now, the best you can do is turn the osc "peak", "sust", and "trem" levels down to zero to silence it.

-Borogove

Sorry Borogove,

I just found that Logic has a separate list for mono instruments.

It´s a phantastic synth.

Andreas

The mutate function is really phaenomenal. Thank you for your great work.

Andreas