Hi Everyone:

I was wondering what people are using by way of drum sample CDs for straightforward acoustic rock/jazz drums. I'm talking drum samples preferably in AKAI (or Battery) format, NOT LOOPS.

I have NI Battery and am a little disasappointed with the Studio Drums CD: toms and cymbals are pretty good, but kicks and snares just ain't up to snuff.

Sampletank's drums are fun but I am are not of a high enough quality.

As of now, my old Roland R-5 still surpasses any software (or synth) drum samples I've tried.

So what d'y'all recommend?

Anyone tried Sonic Implants? Drumkit From Hell? Bob Clearmountain?

I'd appreciate any suggestions.

cheers


gspin[/u]

im using some wizoo drum kits. i got acoustic drums and electronic drums off ebay for like $35 and i'm happy with them. i think some people say the only good thing about the new lm4 release was the wizoo drum kits...

I like Wizoo's Platinum kit.Downloadable in Battery format for $7.95
www.wizoosounds.com
I have some samples from my R5 if you are desperate.
Hey Stogie -no fair you beat me by 3 minutes

I use Yellow Tools: Pure Drums. And, i might add, i'm very happy with it.
Peace&Love Kim Olesen

Hmmmm... Yellow Tools...

Yellow Tools, I believe, are the guys who made Studio Drums for Battery. It is a recent project and would appear to be very meticulous. I assume the sampling technique is the same as on the samples you use but I may be mistaken.

How do you process the snare?


cheers

gspin

The drums on Pure Drums is just that - Pure. Which means that all 16 drumsets consists of multilayered velocityswitch samples recorded dry. I use the multiouts of my exs24 sampler so each drum gets a channelstrip for itself so i can process the drums as it was a real drumset recorded in multitrack equipment.
Peace&Love Kim Olesen

It just dawnes on me - i didn't answer the snare question. I always eq it a bit. Sometimes i use a gate to make the attack of the snare more "produced" in timbre. Oh... and i always apply a bit of waves trueverb to the intire drummix. Also i quite often compress the intire drummix a bit.
Hope you find the answer usefull.
Peace&Love Kim Olesen

Yes thanks.

That's quite similar to what I do. I look to separate the kit into separate channels, possibly one per instrument. Still I found it difficult to make the Studio Drums snares really "come alive."

I am curious, how do you eq your snare (i.e., what frequencies do you boost/cut, etc.)?

cheers


gspin

Oh the frequency question....... Generally drums on records is a bit "duller" in sound. Sometimes samples simply sound too good. But apart from that observation i just tweak until it sounds right to me. No rules, only ears. But often it doesn't come down to the drums but what's around them. Nothing beats a real bassguitar. Also running the gate through a gate works wonders if you want the snare to be more "energetic".
Peace&Love Kim Olesen

One of our next releases will be a complet set of high quality Jazz drum sounds (i think about 60 or 80 samples). It will be release before december. As always for free and recorded at 24bits/48Khz stereo .wav

Every week One new Sample library for free...

before you do anything check this one out
http://www.kvr-vst.com/bank.php

(its in the battery section)

its called "ambient kit"..but trust me its an ACOUSTIC kit

it NOT ELECTRONIC

the best FREE kit around(I love the hihats, very silky and not harsh like most net stuff)

trust me you'll like it

hey I got a Roland RS-5 too!! I agree the accoustic sets are strangely very good for general Midi drums

But if you want quality samples, I strongly suggest Sonic Implants drums (soundfonts I think). With compression these things are unstoppable! Incredible when pitched up aswell, make drum n bass easy!

i generally use the drums that came with battery. I use it in fruity, so theres no option of multiple outs sadly. The only way around this ive found is to copy the instrument and the pattern to a new channel, mute the sound im after in the original pattern, then all sounds but the one imm after in the new pattern. All sounds which are muted still cut the other sounds ok, and the whole thing fits together as it should, but you can send this new channel to another fx channel.

Thanks for all the replies guys...

As to the Roland R-5, what I find really interesting (apart from the samples themselves) is the velocity response to the pads which affects nuance of the drums as well as the velocity. It's just difficult to get that with a keyboard I think. Anyone ever thought of using some kind of drum pad controller for all drum/percussion samples instead of keyboards?? If so, which??

cheers

gspin

You looked into Interactive Drum Kits and Snares from Sonic Reality? It's in AKAI format. I've only used a couple of sample kits from it, that are in Sonic Synth, but I'm really impressed and I've read good reviews of it.

gspin wrote:

Thanks for all the replies guys... As to the Roland R-5, what I find really interesting (apart from the samples themselves) is the velocity response to the pads which affects nuance of the drums as well as the velocity. It's just difficult to get that with a keyboard I think. Anyone ever thought of using some kind of drum pad controller for all drum/percussion samples instead of keyboards?? If so, which?? cheers gspin

Many moons ago I used to have one of those Yamaha dd50 electronic drumkits. Its a bit flimsy (don't hit it too hard!) and the bass drum pedal response isn't exactly quick, but it works ok and its cheap!

I'll go you one better (or worse) Tugger.I've still got the DD50's little brother the DD5 drum pads from Yamaha.Only 4 pads and you're right don't hit 'em hard but for just laying down a beat they work.Gspin gave me an idea-why not use the R-5's drum pads as controllers for finger drumming-they send velocity right?(can't remember but I'm going to try it).

gspin,
Try this on a snare to get it to come alive. use 3 effects in this order. Compressor set for 6db @ 1:3 slow attack and quick release, EQ- boost a bit of 10K, Ruby Tube set in limiter mode about 30% up. I work with a very picky drummer, and he just loves the sound I got on his samples. The key ingredient is Ruby Tube. I have also used THD, but Ruby Tube is a little more open. It also limits the peak output so you can avoid clipping.
Tom

I HAVE TRIED ALL DRUM SAMPLES FROM ALMOST ALL SAMPLE CD`S AND BELIEVE ME SPECTRASONICS HAVE THE BEST DRUM SAMPLES.
BACKBEAT,BURNING GROOVES,LIQUID GROOVES SHOULD DO IT!ALSO ILIO HAS GOOD SAMPLES!!!!I HAVE SOME SAMPLE CD`S FROM THEM SO JUST TRY AND U WILL SEE!!!

we should trust this guy more than anyone else on this - he's using capitals.

jazzalen wrote:

I HAVE TRIED ALL DRUM SAMPLES FROM ALMOST ALL SAMPLE CD`S AND BELIEVE ME SPECTRASONICS HAVE THE BEST DRUM SAMPLES. BACKBEAT,BURNING GROOVES,LIQUID GROOVES SHOULD DO IT!ALSO ILIO HAS GOOD SAMPLES!!!!I HAVE SOME SAMPLE CD`S FROM THEM SO JUST TRY AND U WILL SEE!!!

Mr Persing, you can come out now, we all know its you!

no really i Mean it you should seriously look at the "ambinent kit" in kvr-'s Banks/patches section..in the bettery section(click on the menu)

its called ambinet cause its an acoustic drumkit(yamaha quality one) that has a slight room ambinece (but very subtle comparing to others)

and bets of all its freaking free

I forgot about the Franky D Ambient kit RealMarco is talking about.It is a good freeware solution.

I like rock, metal, and heavy music..you can do no better than the Drumkit From Hell. This monster takes a ton of ram but once you got it up and running ( with full close and room sounds) it is the best sounding kit I have ever heard...I have been eqing the kick drum with the sonic timeworks eq and with sonar and the dr-008 it suits all of my drum needs...I have some sonic implants soundfonts that sound very good and are easier on the ram as well. The Bluejay Small Ambient kit 2 is a personal favorite

lafours wrote:

I like rock, metal, and heavy music..you can do no better than the Drumkit From Hell. This monster takes a ton of ram but once you got it up and running ( with full close and room sounds) it is the best sounding kit I have ever heard

Hey Lafours,

Just about how much ram are we talking?


thanks

gspin

Couple of nice ones in soundfont format ;

Gold Drums (absolutely great)

Drums by Slavo (rock oriented, a little distortion on a couple of the toms)

both available at www.hammersound.net


Doug

Gspin,


I have 768 meg of ram to run the whole kit..I tried with 256 and it was not enough. If you want to run close mic'd and room kits together ( essentially 2 whole drum sets) you need at least 512 I think. The site recommends 768

I'm a huge, huge fan of Battery studio drums. Every time I use them it's like there really is a drummer in the room with me. Complete with BO, stubble, fag ash, drool, loincloth, club and 4 extra bars at the end of every song.

lafours wrote:

Gspin, I have 768 meg of ram to run the whole kit..I tried with 256 and it was not enough. If you want to run close mic'd and room kits together ( essentially 2 whole drum sets) you need at least 512 I think. The site recommends 768

Hey Lafours:

What is your setup? Mac or PC?

cheers

gspin

PC...amd 800 with an asus nforce board..a modest, great working system

I was just curious 'coz I was having a bit of difficulty unzipping Drumkit from Hell with my Mac, but I have succeeded (my own fault really: I e-mailed toontrack support and they helped me out immediately, tack sa jette mycket!)

Anyway, I confirm DFH really is stunning! I did a comparison with Studio Drums and I guess where I come out is that Studio Drums is probably better recorded (let's say more accurately sampled...) while DFH is much more "alive" , raw and "real." I love it. I think the DFH snare wins hands down. I think I'll probably end up making a hybrid kit with samples from both (e.g., some of the cymbals are better on Studio Drums, I think).

BTW, I only had time to try the "close" miced jazz kit! I am going to try the "room" kit as soon as i can.

How do you combine the two (close and room)? Do you run separate instances of battery. Couldn't you map the same instruments in both close and room to the same key and get a ready mixed version that way? No? Oh well, I guess I'll have to experiment.

cheers

gspin

gspin wrote:

(e.g., some of the cymbals are better on Studio Drums, I think).

Agreed, they're dazzling. The toms can be a bit flabby, but don't discount all the variations on the snares - a bit of sensible programming (eg subtly randomising velocities, using lefts and rights) really does the trick.