http://www.omniman.com/products_cd.html#

kind of sketchy eh?

the demos sounded great, and it's cheap... but how could this be allowed in the sample cd market? I understand the beats are constructed out of hits, but what about those instrumental sounds?

i don't think there is a sample cd police force out there or a board that sample cd producers must apply to

i would think the samples that may be distinguishable are very obscure and you wouldn't have to worry. shadow didn't pay royalities for every sample on private press or entroducing.

all battle records are, are just loops and samples taken from other records and put on a piece of vinyl and i have never heard of record companies cracking down on them.

the loops aren't from actuall records.. but played/sequenced by them then made to sound like a rare groove sample.. kinda like stylus:

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As defined by True School's Hip-Hop Dictionary, crate digging is the act of mining underground record bins for long-forgotten breakbeats and other nuggets of vinyl gold. The exception to the rule in this instance is that all of the breaks and sounds on Ominman's Cratedigging ($39) are made rather than stolen by Senior Omniman (aka Gino Nave).

hi jdg, thanks for replying to this

i read in the keyboard magazine review something about having to talk to Omniman about using this in commercial music.

The sounds seem to be in the style that I make, but I think this is a risky move if I want to release my music through SOCAN - the canadian royalty system.

Or is it a safe collection within reason?

Mr. Tunes © wrote:

i read in the keyboard magazine review something about having to talk to Omniman about using this in commercial music.

if its true, that's worse than having to pay steinberg a fee to transer ownership of their software to someone else.

stogie21 wrote:

if its true...

then it's not worth the 40 bucks

Mr. Tunes © wrote:

i read in the keyboard magazine review something about having to talk to Omniman about using this in commercial music.

Here is what I found on their website (had to dig a little though ):

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OMNIMAN LICENSE AGREEMENT The licensing agreement to use our sounds is very simple. Once you purchase or download samples from Omniman, you are purchasing a LICENSE that allows you to use the sounds for music production and performance. OMNIMAN STILL RETAINS OWNERSHIP OF THE SOUNDS. Whether you sell a million records or score a blockbuster film using our samples, we don't get an extra penny (but maybe give us a shout out). Here are the exceptions: 1. Our sounds may not be re-sold as soundware product. (ie. sample CDs) 2. Our sounds may not be included in electronic devices, computers, or musical instrument products of any kind without prior permission.

Sounds like a very fair price for the lib...

sounds good to me and i haven't listened to the samples yet

maybe its a poor man's version of e-lab's vinylistics...

Cool, I just realized this guy is an SF native as well!

I'm gonna schmooze him up over pints, and see if I can relieve him of some samples...

brittnell: I live in San Rafael...

I call first dibs!

c_huelsbeck wrote:

Sounds like a very fair price for the lib...

Yes! That's what got me interested in it...

thanks chris... your opinion does mean a lot to me since you are familiar with the business and reading the license agreements...

but you don't think there is anything wrong with this?

I understand that many big dj's like Shadow have not cleared many samples because the chances of getting nailed are so slim when they tweak it well.

But to get busted doing media stuff must be embarrassing/humiliating!

eh heck what am I saying Mr. Scruff's Get a Move On probably has a hundred old jazz samples in it and Lincoln/Volkswagon play it every day.

despite my cynicism, if you bought a sample cd and then was charged with using liscenced stuff i would be pretty ticked off. if this cd made it to remix and keyboard mag, i would think it is totally legit. i don't think some one would make a sample cd, with the hopes of selling it commercially, and use illegal samples.

just my $.02

Well, in that review it says that they made those loops and sounds from scratch and didn't steal them... also you would have at least "some" legal protection in the proof that you took the samples from this loop CD, just in case that someone tries to sue you (in fact, you are never absolutely safe that nobody sues you over anything... but from my understanding "usually" the plaintiff has the burden of proof that you are to blame)
And also, nobody sues you anyways if there is not a substantial business behind the whole thing. For example if your music goes in the charts, I'm sure there are powerful lawyers on your side too to sort it out... if it's just for your pleasure and some internet fans, nobody cares anyways (I'm not saying now that it's ok to steal from records for this purpose, but this product here looks still like a legitimate sampling CD to me).

Okay big update:

The magazine was Home Recording, and here's the quote from Thad Brown:

"I would be wary of producing tracks that use any of these sounds until I had a clear statement from the company that they are "copyright clean". Omniman told me that it would work with anyone in this situation who needed to know more about the sources for the samples. This does not take away from the truly excellent content in Cratedigging - just be sure you understand the legal ramifications you may be subject to before you put out any music containin these sounds"

i may just email them. i don't know why these wouldn't be legal samples any much more than the all the e-lab's vinylistics or abstract hip hop cds. i guess since this isn't as established of a company...

...i just emailed them...

ok, this is what he said...

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Just read the posts and the points are all quite good. The music loops on Crate Digging are %100 created by myself. I DO sample records for noise, drum hits, and single notes but NEVER EVER steal musical phrases or vocals. In fact, when I use an old school drum break, I almost always change it and replace some sounds with others. I spend a lot of time making sure the music is "clean". Also, a lot of the sounds are real instruments mixed with vinyl dirt, compression, etc. to create a vintage vibe. E-lab are the masters of this - they do great work. Hope this helps clear things up! Best -g i n o

i would feel comfortable using these samples based on this description. there would be realistically no way someone could say that a certain hi hat, snare, etc came from a certain record. it sounds good to me...

I ordered mine last night (thanks for the tip Mr. Tunes!).
Being local, I should have it tomorrow (hooray!).
I'll let you know how it is...

b

um......

these guys are really good......
forget sample cds these guys should be putting out
whole tunes....

i agree fuzzy

on the cd main demo for cratedigging, at about 40 seconds into it there is this really cool moog line but it's kind of "vinyl-ized". Does anyone know how to do that?