Acoustic spanish guitar simulation

browsing through all examples i have from programs like plucked string or beasts like ReFX-Slayer and guitaramp and guitar effects simulations like WARP and Virtual Guitarist and freebees like tobybears electric cowboy i still have to walk into that one special vsti that does acoustic guitar simulation (including fingerslides) in a realistic way. I have some guitarsounds on my kurzweil but how high of quality all sounds may be i always fall into the same opinion, to static and to digital. Is there a way to make a good spanish guitar simulation besides playing a real spanish guitar or must i stop my search operation right away because it is impossible to even make a good spanish guitar simulation ?

Apart from the sound, it has to do a lot with H O W you play.
A little tip.
Split your Keyboard in two zones.
Transpose 1 or + octaves higher the lower part.
Transpose 1 or + octaves lower the lower part.
Cover the same register with both hands.
Play Drum paradiddles in the Keyboard.
INSTANT FLAMENCO!!!!





Or close.
Good luck

That is a good tip
I am not a very good player
if you listen to my august contest entry you can hear me play a drawbar organ (z3) live
but I am not talking about skills in playing, I have heard very good examples from people playing rhythm guitar and solo guitar on a keyboard. using a pitching wheel on a keyboard doesn't sound the same as pressing against a string to make it slide. second .. releasing a key on a board isn't the same as pulling a string because besides the attack and release of the sound you have from muffling of fingers on a string and naturely the by-sound of the frets.
for some reason there is a subtle something I miss in the sound of guitar simulations
I guess it has to do with overtones, natural harmonic distortion and harmonic interference of strings together
for piano they build the psp piano verb to simulate the strings in a piano, I guess you need something like that especially for guitar to get a reasonable result.
I hope I make myself clear, because my good English is leaving me today

Did you already try Jammer Pro 4.0? With that composing software you can create whole compositions / songs, but also only a midi loop for EACH instrument (like for example a guitar), by telling the software in which way that instrument should be played (there are many many parameters for each type of instrument to adjust). You can export that midi file to your sequencer and there you can select the desired instrument (VSTi or a sampler with the desired soundfont or wave). It´s unbelievable how realistic sounding and professional played instruments you can produce with that kind of software. But that´s nothing for the purist musicians, who want to do ALL by themselves.

Here is the link: http://www.soundtrek.com/jammer_pro.htm

Thank you for the good tip !

i will try it out

i will not use it

i like to do all myself indeed

regards !

remco

You are all correct. There are many physical interactions in the style (the WHAT and HOW) of flamenco that are not simply mapped to a keyboard.

There is the interaction between the player's strumming timing, the sliding/hammer on/off and muffling of the fretting hand, the overtones of each string as each string is played, the resonate sum of those sounds in the guitar's wood, the decay of each string as it is pressed with different pressure, the subtle intonation of playing near or far from the closest fret...

Until someone develops a system to account for all these factors, your best bet is to use a clip of a live player. Ask someone on the board or even at http://www.artistcollaboration.com. There are plenty of people available at different expertise levels, gear, time and motivation.

Morning KvRians!
Hardy Slicer, my sentiments exactly. I think ampling works great for pianos, organs, Brass, some strings, and even drums. But when it comes to good guitar/bass sounds, what you want is one thing: A guitar/bass

A friend of mine has an XP80....hehe, with actual strumming modes for the guitars. Nowhere near the satisfaction you get from a set of sampled strings though. But then it's a workstation from 1996, they may build them better today.

Cheerio, Marco

yeah of course the real thing is better
but I just don't know that much good musicians
I sang in a couple of groups and I wrote a lot of songs
but the music I have in mind often can't be performed by players
I also know lots of players that have all the technical skills but miss some indefinable romantic feeling
it was such a revelation when I sang a certain piece to Fitch
and she copied the way I sang completely with her cello
i never heard someone do that before
my dad did some partime guitar teacher but he just played notes
he didn`t play around rhytms ... and he didn`t play around notes
it would be so great to beat him with a good guitar recording that isn`t even real
and it would be even greater if he wouldn`t hear it.

it would be great if I could truly capture the way I sometimes feel by just singing in stuff
if a wave2midi program or something like kantos would translate it into how a guitar player
or whatever player would do it ... I could truly add something to the concept one man band
for now I am still more fond of real bands (bands that carry good musicians)
But i guess there are simply no software developers around that can do a good spanish guitar simulation
and i am not talking about music genre ... or about how to make flamingo
just a good simulated spanish guitar including the knock on wood / resonation of the guitar / sliding of fingers / frets ...you name it
perhaps ReFEX could make something like it ....

I know its not like the real thing but I've got the Hans Zimmer Guitars Vol2 Akai CD rom and the acoustics on there are very usable, single notes and chords with bends and slides. Not cheap but worth checking out if you can, and there's some other really good ones on there, the electric sitar being my fave.

Tim