... it´s apparent that during the last few months there isn´t no more so much enthusiasm for new free VSTis as it was more than half a year ago (except for the phantastic synth1 and Crystal).

But I think it´s not that your synths aren´t good, but it´s getting more and more difficult to develop outstanding or really new VSTis, because there are already so many many VST-synths. So, people are a little bit tired to try a new one (I notice that sometimes for me too). But please don´t be discouraged to develop your VSTis farther on, and thank you very much for that. That´s all what I wanted to say (perhaps a little bit pathetic).

Now that we have got our own little piece of K-V-R I think we will fester away to our hearts content. I think this will be better for everybody as There was quite a tide of Synthedit creations of late (not least from me). I am obviously doing it in the main part because its fun but hopefully the finished articles are valid, and don't forget todays freeware developers might be tomorrows super-synth creators. Thanks for your thought (pathetic or not )

I will make one when time permits. But the thought of doing another sine,saw,square,noise based zynth bores me to tears.(not to mention the demands people got in this field, like if my mom would by me a pair of drum sticks. )
It will be whacky stuff from me.

// Daniel

At the moment you can get a lot of slow Synthedit-synths.
Before you could get selfcoded simple subtractiv synths.

Both not very amazing.
OK some were/are realy cool. But htese ones are all handcoded (e.g. Crystal).

If you go back through the Reaktor User Library you'll see the same thing; the earliest ensembles there were generally subtractive synths, often copies of the more straightforward hardware devices. As people grew more used to the tool, and its facilities expanded, the directions the library have gone in have been much mroe broad-ranging, and there's more 'experimental' stuff. Give SynthEdit a bit more time, and you'll probably start to see more innovation... especially since people can develop their own modules to use; give it a while and you'll start to see hybrid SynthEdit and custom-written code creations turn up.

Expect a nice surprise soon (If you like vocoders) im just waiting for a module on SE to be updated and thats it.

NICE.......I like vocoders

Then you'll love this one

S'funny, its a Vocoder I'm working on. Slowly, it has to be said.

I'm looking forward to some of these freeware synths evolving
over time.I find myself looking forward now to updates of synths
I already use in my music more than new synths.

Only a few days ago, I had a strong "cleaning" session on my VST folder...
I removed nearly all SynthEdit "creations". I think, most is really crap (i.e. "killersynths" and these...).

I hope, really, that developers don't lose the enthusiasm and bring us a few new ones of the sort VirsynTerra, Attack, Tassman and Absynth...

Yes, I'd rather pay for software synthesizers, than lose my time with endless downloads to search anything usable.

Back to real synthesizer concepts, not a brunch of crazy stacked digital audio algorithms with ugly interfaces...

blacky quoth Back to real synthesizer concepts,

Define what you mean by a 'real synthesiser concept' will you?

not a brunch of crazy stacked digital audio algorithms with ugly interfaces...

Thats funny you could describe Reaktor and Tassman the same way. Just seems like you want to slag off Synthedit stuff for the sake of it.
Just exactly how are SynthEdit's modules 'crazy' anyway? How exactly does any other softsynth differ from being 'stacked digital audio algorithms', isnt that what subroutines are . And how exactly do you generalise the UI's as 'ugly' when they vary so much. Many of them are of a comparitive standard to commercial releases

Oh, I get it. They're not being done by 'pros' so they cant be any good. Pretty elitism basically.

ddummer wrote:

I will make one when time permits. But the thought of doing another sine,saw,square,noise based zynth bores me to tears.(not to mention the demands people got in this field, like if my mom would by me a pair of drum sticks. ) It will be whacky stuff from me.

ddummer - are you gonna put the fast forward and rewind functions into TapeStop???

Come on man. Do it for me...

please?

pretty please?

whyterabbyt wrote:

Just exactly how are SynthEdit's modules 'crazy' anyway? How exactly does any other softsynth differ from being 'stacked digital audio algorithms', isnt that what subroutines are . And how exactly do you generalise the UI's as 'ugly' when they vary so much. Many of them are of a comparitive standard to commercial releases .

Yes. I can explain my statements.

Not the modules are crazy "as it", but the "created connections" and realisation of the builds. Such conceptless and even creazy (and often wrong and buggy too). (There are only a few good ones, but not good enought to keep it alive.)

The science is to have a concept for sound synthesis. It seems, that even this lacks on most SE creations. Of course, because made by wanabe developers! It seems they often don't know, whath they do. But after all: "III have created a synthesizer!". LOL.

In the industry synthesizers will be made by highly inspirated technicans and musicans. This I mean with having a concept in mind. At least you need some backend to make any USEFULL synthesizers or other sound stuff.

I don't know, but have you ever seen nice, highly functional GUIs on your computer??? I.e. Terra or Kontakt or Absynth.
Or only these simple knobs and sliders, which seems to be created by color-blind children with movement hindrance.

Or what synthesizers do You use?

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blacky quoth Not the modules are crazy, but the "created connection" and realisation of the modules. Such conceptless and even creazy and buggy too. (There are only a few goo ones, but not good enought.)

I'm not sure what you mean by that at all. Yes many of the people building SynthEdit stuff build simplistic synths, but thats because they are learning. Your assumption that lack of technical skills implies that they are doing so without any kind of rationale or design is fatuous though.

The science is to have a concept for sound synthesis. Itt seems, that even this lacks on most SE creations.

A concept? What do you mean in this context. And by the way, thats not 'the science'. The science is the analysis of requirements and the devolvement of that into a design specification.

Maybe its not about having a concept but learning to use the tool, and being proud of having achieved something. Your insistence on shitting on that based on throwaway generalisations just makes you look like an arrogant twat.

Of course, because made by wanabe developers!

I think all smart developers are 'wannabes'. They all want to be better developers.
Some people are arrogant enough to think they know it all, and get a feeling of superiority from attacking those they dont consider good enough, but that doesnt mean that some of those they're slagging off wont surpass them in time. In the meantime, you're decision to tell us that you removed them from your system seems more based on wanting to put people down than anything else.

I don't know, but have you ever seen nice, highly functional GUIs on your computer???

Yes. Do you think that there's only one way to define 'nice' and 'highly functional' ?

I.e. Terra or Kontakt or Absynth.
Or only these simple knobs and sliders, which seems to be created by color-blind children.

What synthesizers do You use?

Of what relevance is that? Are you perhaps trying to imply that I dont have the experience or qualifications to judge whether or not a UI is good or not? If knobs and sliders were good enough for analogue hardware synths for 25 years then its entirely possible, they're still good enough now especially in the production of a synth which is emulating the general style of an analogue synthesiser.

But FYI, amongst other things I use Reaktor, Tassman, SynC, z3ta+, DR008, Slayer, and Electron. I also have a degree in Computer Science, I've been a full-time programmer, I've been interested in digital audio synthesis for over 15 years, and I've studied user-interface design. So I think I have a little bit of grounding in what makes a good UI. Immediacy and consistency are important, as is familiarity.

And yes, I reckon I was right. Your attitude is just elitism.

whyterabbyt wrote:

....

This is very fine.
So You should know, what I am speaking about.
If you cannot see the current super brunch of crap on the "market", you must be blind.

Learning is OK, and having fun and trying to make synthesizers and so on. But please don't overspam the "market" with these bullS***t crap and make us believe you are a "top synthesizer engenier".

But I cannot help me, all the things You want to make us believe, don't really fit to your appearience, you have drawn above and in the past...

All you do, is to examain nearly every sentence of me to find any point to show how stupid I am...
So it's You, who want tho be "better" than me.
I think that you are very prejudiced with respect to my person.
I, at all events, have never examined any sentences of you. And I never would. Consciously.

Of course, I have claims, but You obviously have none.
By the way: You simply missunderstand heaviely some thoughts in my posts. But this is your problem, not mine.

Period.

OT:
whyterabbyt, i must say, i always enjoy reading your posts like these

This is very fine.
So You should know, what I am speaking about. If you cannot see the current super brunch of crap on the "market", you must be blind.

If you persist in making generalisations, thats nothing to do with 'blindness' on my part.

Learning is OK, and having fun and trying to make synthesizers and so on. But please don't overspam the "market" with these bullS***t crap and make us believe you are a "top synthesizer engenier".

Please dont try and pretend that's what is happening. People are creating stuff, and making it available. Just like other people are making music. Whether or not you think that is a bad thing is irrelevant.
Your attitude that they should not be doing so because you dont like what they produce on the grounds that it was made with SynthEdit seems to be the real blindness around here.

Maybe you should check what 'spam' actually means though. Unsolicted email isnt the same as 'making something for people to download if they want'.

But I cannot help me, all the things You want to make us believe, don't really fit to your appearience, you have drawn above and in the past...

I have no idea what that means.

All you do, is to examain nearly every sentence of me to find any point to show how stupid I am...

If this was a spken conversation I'd take your points as they came. Since its not, I choose to address them in this manner. That has nothing to do with any level of stupidity you display.

I think that you are very prejudiced with respect to my person.

Incorrect, deal with it. I'm just prejudiced against those who display prejudice on arbitrary grounds. At present, that includes you.

I at all events, have never examined any sentens of you. Consciously.

So? I have no problem with people taking issue with parts of what I say. I have no issue with people pointing out mistakes Ive made. I have

Of course, I have claims, but You obviously none.

Again, Im afraid I have no idea what that means.

You have every justification for your generalisation, but I cant possibly have any reason for my position other than an excuse to attack you, is that what you're saying?

"I have no idea what that means. "

...this happens continuously, If you examine my posts and if the terms become more intresting...

Please don't be worry, but I will not continue a conversation on this level.
So examain what you want, not me.

Period.

ps: Your website looks really pro, like 15 years GUI development and programming study even...
You are a braggart, nothing else...

And don't forget to say: "I have no idea what that means. "

i have to say [and this seems to be becoming a habit] that i agree with pretty much everything the rabbyt has said so far here ...

blacky ... were you as equally arrogant and dismissive of all the early 'properly' coded freeware synths[ which were by no means all any good] ... as one of the synthedit 'learners' [who freely admits that he cant code for toffee] its hard not to take your thoughtless personally ... then again you have said nothing to make me respect your opinion ... so i dont ...

... cheers rob

blacky quoth ...this happens continuously, If you examine my posts and if the terms become more intresting...

Actually its because your English isnt good and I'd rather point out that I dont understand something you're saying than make an assumption. It is not that your 'terms' are 'interesting' but that what you are saying is becoming fuzzier, and less precise as you go on.

For the record, what you quoted above was, I believe, referring to the following statement:

Quote:

But I cannot help me, all the things You want to make us believe, don't really fit to your appearience, you have drawn above and in the past...

Which quite frankly doesnt make sense since I have no 'appearance' that I am trying to make you believe.
Nor does it have anything to do with the issue; that you seem to be denigrating the work of others purely for the sake of doing so.

Quite frankly I think this is a spurious grab at any excuse to ignore my points rather than behave in a rational, unprejudiced manner.

Perhaps we should all stop being so 'precious' about this. I create SynthEdit 'stuff' and then I make it available to whoever wants to use it. The stuff is done for all sorts of reasons, ..maybe because I have a particular need for something that I haven't seen elsewhere ...maybe because I am interested to see how something will turn out ... maybe because I enjoy the experience of putting it all together.
Obviously if others download the stuff and say nice things about it then that cheers me up, If they think its crap then so be it.
Obviously synthedit synths are not going to be to everybodies tastes, if this is the case then don't download them.

..And my recommendation to SynthEdit developers is not to take these critisisms personally and remember why you made the things in the first place..

ATB

Ian

whyterabbyt wrote:

blacky quoth ...this happens continuously, If you examine my posts and if the terms become more intresting... Actually its because your English isnt good and I'd rather point out that I dont understand something you're saying than make an assumption. It is not that your 'terms' are 'interesting' but that what you are saying is becoming fuzzier, and .

So if You don't understand me, why do you try to interprete me???
On the other side You pick up all the things, You believe to understand an examains it with great perfectionism (in the sense of tore to pieces) ...


This is really VERY STRANGE. You lead yourself ad absurdum.

And: I see really nothing in Your argumentations, that could be the proove for the experience and education You have allegedly.
Only my fuzzy thoughts.

I will not prolonge this.

ianweb123 wrote >>Perhaps we should all stop being so 'precious' about this



and thanx again for your creations
even the phatchap

So if You don't understand me, why do you try to interprete me???

My you do have a short memory, dont you.

Those parts I understood, I addressed. Those parts I didnt udnerstand, I pointed out that I didnt udnerstand them. Got that. now?


On the other side You pick up all the things, You believe to understand an examains it with great perfectionism (in the sense of put to pieces) ...

Oh I see. You're trying to imply that those few lines out of everything were the ones that imparted the real truth of what you were sayong...

Nope, your attitude was clear from all the rest of the text. You cant change that by trying to hide behind a few lines. It was blatantly obvious what you were saying overall; you made it very clear... that SynthEdit creations were, across the board, 'crap' and 'spam'.

This is really VERY STRANGE. You lead yourself ad absurdum.

So you're saying that because some of your comments about me were not clear, I have no authority to address your generalisations about SynthEdit creations.

I guess you failed basic logic then.

And: I see really nothing in Your argumentations, that could be the proove for the experience and education You have allegedly.

Well you would say that wouldnt you.
But if your 'experience and education' legitimise stereotypes and generalisation, then I'm quite glad that mine was different to yours. As it is, the sole 'proof' you've supplied that your statements are justified is a statement that using knobs and sliders equals a GUI 'made by colour-blind children'.
If you expect anyone to consider you more authoritative based on unsubstantiated opinion, and pejorative attacks, then privdie some real 'proof' of what you are claiming. Until you do, then I really dont see any need to counter your statements by anything more than pointing out their inherently flawed assumptions.
Nobody needs 'experience and education' to be able to work out that you're spouting bullshit.

I will not prolonge this.

You said that before.

ianweb123 quoth Obviously if others download the stuff and say nice things about it then that cheers me up, If they think its crap then so be it.

Its quite different to claim that all stuff made with SynthEdit is crap, for no substantiated reason other than because it was made with SynthEdit, though.

Obviously synthedit synths are not going to be to everybodies tastes, if this is the case then don't download them.

Agreed. But if only people would remember that these things are a matter of taste, not some universal standard of quality or usefulness that only they and their select cohorts understand.

much respect whyterabbyt
I usually agree with you in these threads
and would say the same things if i had the patience
to type it all out.
sometimes i wonder though if its any use having an arguement
with elitist swine.They tend to walk into a discussion secure in
the knowledge that they are right no matter how bad the spelling gets.

@Blacky

1) If you dont like them, dont use them but you're missing all the fun.

2) If you think ALL are crap then you're very wrong, search carefully.

3) If you think ALL are the same, again wrong.

A good VST/VSTi doesnt need to have tons of features, but well implemented ones with an specific target in mind, also if you think a synth made by someone has to implement some cool stuff you have on your mind, just ask.

One point where I agree is that no really "new" things have been developed on SE yet, but the platform is already there, wait till new modules come in.

And no, I dont think Im a superduper developer, Im just having fun making some tools for myself, and sharing them to anyone interested.

Matias Monteagudo wrote:

@Blacky 1) If you dont like them, dont use them but you're missing all the fun. 2) If you think ALL are crap then you're very wrong, search carefully. 3) If you think ALL are the same, again wrong.

OH YES!!
check out the PHOBIA vsti - it's DOPE!
and the presets are plentiful and USEABLE!
loving it...And keep up the good work synthedit users!
JUNEBUG

Drumatic is, for me, now officially indispensible. It's the very first instrument in just about every new song I try.

I agree that there's a lot out there (most) that I don't need, but I now have 10 SynthEdit VSTis that you could never pry out of my VST folder.

Blacky, I am honoured that you used my synths as an example of the krap you were talking about. Sadly, you were talking krap. Don't get me wrong, I hardly use my own synths but that's beside the point. I made both those VSTi for a reason. Point me to another VSTi with similar modualtion routing to SOULkILLER or one with four detunable, stacked Phase distortion oscillators like MINDkILLER. For that matter, how many VSTi use proper Sample & Hold in their LFO's? I also believe that the interfaces on my instruments are so close to perfect that it just doesn't matter. I would certainly rate them in the top 10% of instruments available or, as a professional graphic artist, I would not have revealed them to the world. You may not have any use for either of my instruments but it is not accurate to say that they have nothing to offer because I think each has a real point of difference that could suit someone's particular style of working, if not everone's style of music.

As to your preferred instruments, I have no use for an instrument that can't display all of its parameters on a single page. I may as well go back to using my TRINITY. I had a good look at VirSyn TERA and it looks great but ultimately didn't offer me anything I needed. Absynth looks cool but from reading about it I wasn't even interested enough to check out the demo [if there is one]. To me, synths like that would be a total waste of money because I know I would probably never bother with them when I can get the perfect bass-line from WaspXT in about 10 seconds flat.

Even though I only use 3 or 4 VSTi, I think it is great that there are so many for me to choose from because it means that I can get exactly the right instrument to suit me. e.g. I like to use relatively simple instruments that I can easily get the right sound from rather than some monster like P1 or z3ta+ that will take forever to learn properly and that I will probably never leverage to even 50% of its capabilities.

The more choice there is, the more likely it becomes that your perfect instrument will turn up somewhere and you won't have to settle for something that kind of works but isn't ideal.

junebug wrote:

OH YES!! check out the PHOBIA vsti - it's DOPE! and the presets are plentiful and USEABLE! loving it...And keep up the good work synthedit users! JUNEBUG

PHOBIA... good example.
Especially the Sync Algorithm. This is a parade example of a wrong implementation. The oscillator sync aliases/distortes like hell. Not only a little bit, but extremely and on the entire frequency sprectrum. This is definitively a bug.
And this is not a problem of the Opcodes in SE, this is a problem of the implementation.

And the limited possibilities of the key modes for this monophonic synthesizer, make this synthesizer unusable in my opinion. Very high performance for a mono synth. (Have You ever tried to play legato sequences in any order? You will lose notes all the time.)

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There are a number of things I despise about synthedit synths.

1. CPU usage. Some of these use too damn much. I tend to make Trance music, so I use a lot of VSTi's in one track, and I'm only on a PIII 933mhz system, and these cruddy synthedit synths eat it up. JG-3 (which actually sounds fairly..alright) fluctuates between 40% and 80%, and when my average song hits 98%, its too much.

2. Interface. Ugh. Those sliders. I really, really do hate those sliders. Thankfully some people actually _do_ use a custom GUI, so Satyr for example is a joy to use but ones like clapmachine (or whatever its called, you get the idea) aren't.

3. Why? Why use 15 synthedit synths when I can get better results out of z3ta+? Why use 15 of them when you can probably get better our of other freeware? Hm?

Having said that, some are very good indeed, some have new concepts that hadn't been thought of before, but most deserve a trip to the bin (Such as a certain Mindkiller and Soulkiller....which are more 'girly slap' synths than 'killer' synths.)

Constructive criticism is good for making something better, but overall criticism is only destructive and discouraging. Whyterabbyt, I´m surprised (and also impressed) that you do so much effort to answer to people who should be ignored because of their arrogant attitude. Once again to those people: This topic is dedicated to FREE VSTis that are given to us as a GIFT, and each person can decide to use them or not!!! As for me, once again, I´m in favour with these Freeware developers.

Tokartta quoth There are a number of things I despise about synthedit synths.

1. CPU usage. Some of these use too damn much. I tend to make Trance music, so I use a lot of VSTi's in one track, and I'm only on a PIII 933mhz system, and these cruddy synthedit synths eat it up. JG-3 (which actually sounds fairly..alright) fluctuates between 40% and 80%, and when my average song hits 98%, its too much.

Most modular synths eg Reaktor use a lot of CPU. Its the nature of the modularity which makes them less efficient that hardcoded synths. Also remember that SynthEdit itself is still in beta. That doesnt make them 'cruddy' it makes them CPU-intensive.

2. Interface. Ugh. Those sliders. I really, really do hate those sliders. Thankfully some people actually _do_ use a custom GUI, so Satyr for example is a joy to use but ones like clapmachine (or whatever its called, you get the idea) aren't.


Ive seen almost nothing using the default skin that comes with SynthEdit. Presumably its the look of the sliders you hate. An interface is more than just visuals.

3. Why? Why use 15 synthedit synths when I can get better results out of z3ta+?

Define 'better'. No one size fits all. No one synth does everything. And like BONES says, its soemtimes better to have something simple and immediate than the most flexible thing in the world.

I use several different modular synths, and I own z3ta+. I also use a few SynthEdit synths which do at least one thing well.

This comment actually raised another point, one which I thought of after I had responded to Blacky. Ever seen the number of people that turn up here and claim that they're new to electronic music but that they 'have' to use warez? Going out of your way to put people off a wealth of free software in favour of the 'brand name' synths is one reason people think like that.

Why use 15 of them when you can probably get better our of other freeware? Hm?

Better for whom? Who are you to judge what is 'better' for someone else? And what freeware does Phase Modulation a la PanzerTank? Sample-based FM a la Morpheus? Drum synthesis as comprehensive as xoxos' creations? (In fact what anything does Drum synthesis as comprehensively? )

Yes there is some stuff which is not good. Guess what; that's true of everything. But there is some stuff which is very good. To dismiss it all because of how it was made is naive at best, deliberate prejudice at worst. And to say that you know for other people what is 'better' for them to sue is unjustified arrogance.

to whiterabbyt:
(This is the last time, I will take serious notice from You.)

Question: What is more stupid?

- to have a straight opinion or
- to set himself up as "opinion police", and say people all the time how wrong they are?

My opinion:
You can do this with your children (if you think, this will be any good) but not with adults.
You have the superior desire to destroy opinions which differ from the characteristics of yours. This is very obviously and somehow "ill",I think...

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BONES wrote:

Blacky, ...I also believe that the interfaces on my instruments are so close to perfect that it just doesn't matter. I would certainly rate them in the top 10% of instruments available or, as a professional graphic artist, I would not have revealed them to the world. ...

I think this are sentences, one must be able to to melt once on the tongue!
This already borders on megalomania!
I had to look at the screenshots again...

...sorry, this is megalomania.

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... Has anybody else noticed the irony that most of this dialog is taking place between users with such Black and Whyte views..


(just trying to lighten things up here!!)

blacky quoth to whiterabbyt:
(This is the last time, I will take serious notice from You.)

So you keep saying.
Question: What is more stupid?

- to have a straight opinion or

Your opinion is based on spurious generalisations. That aint what I would call smart.

- to set himself up as "opinion police", and say people all the time how wrong they are?

If you insist on your opinion, I insist on mine. This bullshit about 'opinion police' is a thinly veiled ad hominem attack, and it doesnt wash.

Maybe you should spend your 'serious notice' on addressing the points I raised about the original issue.

So, my question : which is more stupid?

- to say any group of things which have one specific criteria in common have everything else in common
or
- to point out that the assumptions on which someone makes a generalisation are flawed.

My opinion:
You can do this with your children (if you think, this will be any good) but not with adults.

Any reasonable adult doesnt need to rely on generalisations, and will validate their opinion with facts instead of further generalisations. So far you do not succeed in approaching 'adult' in your behaviour.

You have the superior desire to destroy opinions which differ from the characteristics of yours. This is very obviously and somehow "ill",I think...

If anyone has a superior and 'ill' desire, its you, who sees some sort of perverse need to put down the work of others on entirely groundless and unsubtantiated grounds. I dont think saying 'I dont believe there's no worthwhile work produced with SynthEdit' makes me 'superior' at all. I think this is just yet another attempt by you to distract attention from the issue by trying to attack my suppsoed motives.
Its you who came in here with the arrogant, superior attitude. So dont try and pretend otherwise, okay. Thats just reinforcing the childishness you've already displayed.

blacky quoth PHOBIA... good example.
Especially the Sync Algorithm. This is a parade example of a wrong implementation. The oscillator sync aliases/distortes like hell. Not only a little bit, but extremely and on the entire frequency sprectrum. This is definitively a bug.
And this is not a problem of the Opcodes in SE, this is a problem of the implementation.

Funny, I thought the oscillator syncing in SE was implemented within the SynthEdit 'opcode'. I have no idea how you would cleanly sync the internal wave generation of the Oscillator from outside the Oscillator module, without using the provided Sync input, that's for sure. Since your suuch an expert, please tell us how exactly one would Sync the waveform produced by an Oscillator module without using the Sync input provided?

On checking the docs for Phobia Station it certainly looks like the standard Oscillator module was used, and since there isnt anything other than the VST .dll to download, I'd love to know how you know what the internals of this particular synth are like to be able to say 'this is not a problem of the Opcodes in SE, this is a problem of the implementation'.

Or perhaps you're talking bullshit. Perhaps this is an artefact of SynthEdit itself, and the designer of Phobia Station isnt at fault at all. Maybe you're just trying to mis-attribute problems in order to justify your generalisations.

I am really looking forward of having whyterabbit´s first synth-edit VSTi SYNTH.




...

That can only be crap, because it will be free Synthedit stuff (?)

God this topioc is getting boring.

Who cares, you both disagree just agree to disagree.

Cheers

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Why get so wound up about Blacky - the guy's an obvious troll. His tenuous grasp of the English language is entirely affected and he makes statements guaranteed to be inflammatory.

Nick

bryllyant quoth I am really looking forward of having whyterabbit´s first synth-edit VSTi SYNTH.

I'm glad. It'll be a vocoder. I'll let you count the channels for yourself.

And before anyone else says it i'll save you the bother


"You don't have to read this thread if you don't want to"



Cheers

22

whyterabbyt wrote:

bryllyant quoth I am really looking forward of having whyterabbit´s first synth-edit VSTi SYNTH. I'm glad. It'll be a vocoder. I'll let you count the channels for yourself.

aaah, a little attack again, so whytrabbit you really still don´t understand how a vocoder is working ? So that was true that you have your knowledge from a searchengine ?!



But whyterubber after the grandious "gong" and "chimes" isn´t it time for a comeback ? Maybe with a great Synth-Edit synth ?
Really, this time I would make a demo song for you - with your synth !

bryllyant

[ ducks under chair ]

Bryllyant quoth aaah, a little attack again, so whytrabbit you really still don´t understand how a vocoder is working ?

You're the one with the demonstrated lack of knowledge in that area. You cant even count to 8 without getting it wrong.

So that was true that you have your knowledge from a searchengine ?!

I get knowledge from many places. Books for one. The web, and search engines, didnt exist when I learned how vocoders work.

I wouldn't like to be a pianist in the kvr saloon !!!

bryllyant wrote:

So that was true that you have your knowledge from a searchengine ?!

Hmmm, amazing the stuff you can find using a search engine, particularly google image search........

Kids these days....I tell ya....

I just can't believe anyone gives a rat's patoot HOW
a freeware synth is made. Or for that matter even
how it looks. And to be upset by the fact that there's
so incredibly many new free synths coming out all
the time,(thanks largely to SynthEdit!), is just plain
ignorant.

Me, I LOVE
the fact that there's all these new toys all the time.
It's like Christmas everyday here at KVR!!
And yeah, sure a lot of new synths either just
plain suck or simply,(and perhaps more to the
point), are not to my taste. But you know what?
The fact that I reject Sooo many just makes me
even happier when I find one I fall in love with!

I like the comparison of Freeware to music.
Nobody said you have to listen, but do you
really want to stop the music?? All you Freeware
developers ROCK MY WORLD!! Thanks for all
your hard work and selfless sharing. The rest
of the world would do well to learn from the fine
example you guys set.

Cheers......CL

Anyone dismissing SE synths as bad because they're free and modular is just plain ignorant. What about Rob's[experimentFour] Fontaminator? What about Morpheus? And many others? I wonder - is Satyr was released as a $200 commercial synth from NI, how many would greet it as the Next Big Thing?