Can anyone tell me the exact differences btwn Albino and Delta III? I know that Albino comes with presets from Rob Papen, but are there any differences in synth design/structure/whatever?

Lots, besides the presets. Albino has a new envelope module that allows for loopable envelopes, a dedicated adjustable noise oscillator, and plenty of new waveforms in the Digital oscillator module, plus a stereo delay module. But it is the presets that really will knock your socks off...

As well as the demos Rob Papen did, you can find two songs I made with it on this thread:

http://www.kvr-vst.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10878

Uh,

Something is not right here. I downloaded and installed Albino - turns out to be Delta III. Went back to download it again - missing link.

Worked for me. It's quite nice. Stepped through about 1/5 of the presets before I had to go to work.

I just tried to emulate a number of Albino presets in Delta III (using the same modules or similar), and there is definitely a difference in sound. The Albino versions seem to be a lot wider and "more-detuned", mainly due to the new filter types in Albino.

I certainly think the sound of the Albino is nicer, but whether I'd buy it when I've already got Delta, I'm not too sure.

Dave

Does Albino load DeltaIII presets?

sluggo

Quote:

Does Albino load DeltaIII presets?

Seems time to jump in here No, it doesn't. It has different oscillator waveforms, different adjusted filters, a bit different internal routing and new modules that are not in Delta III (and vice versa), so, I know it looks a lot like Delta III and the was to operate it is nearly the same, but its a different synth in many ways.

Currently none of it does read the presets of the other one. I've been asked by email several times, so I'll put this in here too: We won't stop Delta III and we won't offer a crossgrade or something, Delta III is planed to appear as version 3.1 in January with some nice new features.

Cheers,

Peter

Peter from LinPlug wrote:

Quote: Does Albino load DeltaIII presets? Delta III is planed to appear as version 3.1 in January with some nice new features.

Any more details Peter?

Looking forward to CronoX 2 as well!

well, well, well where are the really reasons to buy a synth like Albino ?

Ok, the demo songs sound to me that this is a very boring synth.
(pip pip pip puuup pip...)

Where are the big difference between the other $$ VSTi synths ?

Don´t get me wrong folks I am only a guy who wants to check/hear all meanings from other people before I buy !

bryllyant

Don't get me wrong folks ......

That's funny. I think everyone around here gets you wrong. Your posts are rude and certainly don't inspire much desire to want to help you with your questions. You really need to learn a bit of etiquette.

Does it seem strange to you that the atmosphere around here is generally very upbeat, and kind, and constructive? Then, in you walk with your bold and generally very needlessly controversial statements? Anyway, it is totally your prerogative to act any way you so choose, I just offer this up to you as my own advice. Take it or leave it.

shortyedwards wrote:

dubi dubi dub dub blaaa Take it or leave it.

what´s wrong when I am asking ? Do you always want to hear compliments ? NO, please no ! I wanna hear why a synth is good !

Thanx

bye

bryllyant

bryllyant, it's about the 'character' of the sound - that thing that the old ProphetVS and Access and Pentagon and (in a different way) Junglist have.

I have only heard those two demos, but if they were recorded with no extra treatments, then this sounds like it will be a good one to have - a warm vibrant velvety sound...just the way I like it.

We'll have to try the demo version and see if it provides something we're looking for.

oh..and I agree - your attitude is horrible, and takes no account of your surroundings (have you thought maybe of cubase.net or somewhere?)

deW

Peter,

I'm absolutely unable to download the demo! I tried right-click, left-click, Explorer, Netscape - all give me 404 or 'file missing' messages.

The link I tried was http://www.linplug.de/download/AlbinoDemoInstaller.exe (from the list where you provide a demo for all your VSTi's) - RealDownload gave me the filename, otherwise I wouldn't even have known that...

bryllyant,

Unfundamented generalisations ("sound to me that this is a very boring synth") and cross-posting, both very bad habbits on a public forum

I for one don't feel any incentive to have a conversation with you, especially after your "presets-war" in the company forums.

crimsonwarlock wrote:

bryllyant, Unfundamented generalisations ("sound to me that this is a very boring synth") and cross-posting, both very bad habbits on a public forum I for one don't feel any incentive to have a conversation with you, especially after your "presets-war" in the company forums.

and ?


b.

For what its worth, I would never judge a synth on a demo song. I'd check out the download, spend an hour going thru the presets. Then, if that wasnt completely off-putting, I'd probably spend some more time at a later point going through them more thoroughly and tweaking them to see how easy it is to use. If I still liked it, I'd maybe spend some of an afternoon running it through effects, and/or building a couple of presets to get a more complete feel for the thing.
Then, if I was still impressed, I'd decide I couldnt afford it anyway.
If I still want it in a month or two I usually wind up buying it.

Have a listen to the demos. Then get the demo and try the synth for yourself. Then make your own decision.

To state in a post as you did that "this is a boring" synth is rude. Period.
1) Some poor slob performed a demo tune and probably is very proud of it.

2) Another poor slob developed the code through what I'm sure were hours of sweat.

3) And yet another poor slob spent many many hours developing the presets for this synth.

I presume these are all labors of love first, then money-makers second. There is no point in either intentionally or unintentionally hurting peoples feelings or pissing them off, because you don't wish to or don't bother to word things in an amicable manner. I'm done.

shortyedwards wrote:

To state in a post as you did that "this is a boring" synth is rude. Period. 1) Some poor slob performed a demo tune and probably is very proud of .

why is there such a discussion ? I wished poweruser is here, ......cmon
I am only asking....





b.

Dingo865 wrote:

Peter, I'm absolutely unable to download the demo! I tried right-click, left-click, Explorer, Netscape - all give me 404 or 'file missing' messages. The link I tried was http://www.linplug.de/download/AlbinoDemoInstaller.exe (from the list where you provide a demo for all your VSTi's) - RealDownload gave me the filename, otherwise I wouldn't even have known that...

Hi Dingo,
I couldn't get it there either but I got it from www.robpapen.com

Don’t be so hard on bryllyant. When I was a beginner I also judged synths by those patches where a single note made you go “WOW”. It takes experience to judge quality of filters and recognize patches that can actually be used in music. First you just have to get past the point of wanting the VSTi to write the song for you.

That is one thing I have noticed so far. Most of the sounds seem to be usable. You can get quite a few layers going without creating a mess. If I had not just bought Delta III a few weeks ago I would grab it. Now it is going to take some serious thought and a way to hear what more patches sound like. It seems a bit expensive for a downloadable VSTi, but it is $100 cheaper than one of the E-Mu ROMs. Rob has done two of those and they are very popular. It makes me wonder if future patches will be released? You cannot add patches to a hardware ROM because most workstation have limited user patch locations. You can load plenty in a VSTi.

Robert

Rabid wrote:

Don’t be so hard on bla blafuck cukc I am stuoid Robert

So you are damn stupid ?

well.

huhu

b.

Ian B wrote:

Dingo865 wrote: Peter, I'm absolutely unable to download the demo! I tried right-click, left-click, Explorer, Netscape - all give me 404 or 'file missing' messages. The link I tried was http://www.linplug.de/download/AlbinoDemoInstaller.exe (from the list where you provide a demo for all your VSTi's) - RealDownload gave me the filename, otherwise I wouldn't even have known that... Hi Dingo, I couldn't get it there either but I got it from www.robpapen.com

Ian,

I honestly thank you for the effort - but THERE IS NO ALBINO DOWNLOAD THERE! I cannot believe I cannot fucking find this synth anywhere. The Papen page takes me to the songdemos, I went through the whole fucking site, I'm frustrated as hell.

I will have to wait until someone actually bothers to put up a freakin' demo version of this freakin' VSTi... This is almost as fucking unprofessional as my swearing in public...

Try this direct link Dingo http://www.robpapen.com/freedownl/AlbinoDemoInstaller.exe

Raven wrote:

Try this direct link Dingo http://www.robpapen.com/freedownl/AlbinoDemoInstaller.exe

MUCH OBLIGED, Raven! Downloading as we speak...

spmadmin wrote:

Can anyone tell me the exact differences btwn Albino and Delta III? I know that Albino comes with presets from Rob Papen, but are there any differences in synth design/structure/whatever?

Hi List,

This summer I asked Peter Linsener (LinPlug) for this custom project.
The sound quality of his products is top-notch. Lucky enough for me he agreed to build the Albino.

So he build Albino according to my wishes like:
- The GUI of DeltaIII
- Stereo Filters (which can be modulate)
- Saturation before the Filters
- Noise Module with White Noise / Pink Noise / Brown Noise
- Stereo Delay
- New filters [Silk] and [Cream]
- LFO's with [mono] mode
- Envelopes with [loop] function
- Stereo Delay
- External controllers settings which can be stored
- Own designed Spectrum Waveforms
- and so on and on...

Of course the Albino has the family looks of LinPlug and especially the Delta III.

Still it is another synthesizer, designed for me to build RP Presets.
This is the whole concept: an inspiration synth with useable inspiration presets.

Cheers,
Rob Papen

What is brown noise?

mistertoast wrote:

What is brown noise?

ermm.. when you sit on the toilet and let one rip??

...couldnt resist..

Hi Rob,love your work with Albino.Any chance of some RP Patches for other vsti's? Say DeltaIII,CronoX,Ultran, Z3ta+ etc etc???

mistertoast wrote:

What is brown noise?

Is in between pink and white noise

well I got the newsletter in my E's today so I went ahead and bought it.
Now I come to the forum and see many comparisons to the delta III
and brillrunt doenst like it

WEEEEEEEEEEEEE

oh happy day........

oh yeah
thanx for those freealpha presets

to rob and to the others...

-WHAT IS THE GROUND ABOUT COLORS = TIMBRAL ASPECT RELATIONSHIP ?

-something to do with cenesthetic subjective perception of some absolute ears capacities ?

do you have cool edit pro? it can generate brown noise so you can hear what it sounds like.

got some pretty sensative people on this forum. give me a break people. I think this is the first time i have ever seen somebody call someone else "rude" in a forum. its just lame...

-I mean that the colored reference obviously isn't an arbitrary choice ?

-and i'm wondering on what ground it goes on ?

-anyone ?

Rob Papen wrote:

spmadmin wrote: Can anyone tell me the exact differences btwn Albino and Delta III? I know that Albino comes with presets from Rob Papen, but are there any differences in synth design/structure/whatever? Hi List, This summer I asked Peter Linsener (LinPlug) for this custom project. The sound quality of his products is top-notch. Lucky enough for me he agreed to build the Albino. So he build Albino according to my wishes like: - The GUI of DeltaIII - Stereo Filters (which can be modulate) - Saturation before the Filters - Noise Module with White Noise / Pink Noise / Brown Noise - Stereo Delay - New filters [Silk] and [Cream] - LFO's with [mono] mode - Envelopes with [loop] function - Stereo Delay - External controllers settings which can be stored - Own designed Spectrum Waveforms - and so on and on... Of course the Albino has the family looks of LinPlug and especially the Delta III. Still it is another synthesizer, designed for me to build RP Presets. This is the whole concept: an inspiration synth with useable inspiration presets. Cheers, Rob Papen

Thank you, Rob (and Scot in an earlier post). This is the kind of factual answer I was hoping for, when I made the initial post. Amazing how far out OT replies and comments can sometimes carry a thread.

No. I don't have Cool Edit.

I know white noise is all frequencies and pink noise is the same but with the lower frequencies boosted because the ear picks the higher frequencies out from the rest.

Nevermind. I just looked it up in google and now I'm enlightened.

...and in case other people were ashamed to ask, but would like to know anyway:

http://dwh1002.tripod.com/4/index.html

Pretty good explanation.

I think everyone who has downloaded the demo would agree the sounds seem a lot more useful than Delta III wether it's the presets or the design. I noticed that the mod wheel seems to work in the matrix with all the presets. Small thing, but it would have been nice if at least some of the Delta presets were set up that way (are they)? I have tried to use Delta since purchasing the bundle and never quite found a spot for it in my stuff. After paging through the presets in Albino, now I know why!

I'm just a random audionaut but I just came back from playing
the albino and I Like it
I've already started banging something out with a slightly altered
version of the blikka preset.
some other synths may start gathering dust......

Thanks for the link Dingo !

Still i notice there isn't an explanation on it ground ,nevertheless...

Krakatau wrote:

to rob and to the others... -WHAT IS THE GROUND ABOUT COLORS = TIMBRAL ASPECT RELATIONSHIP ? -something to do with cenesthetic subjective perception of some absolute ears capacities ?

From the very begining of synths they do name noise:
White Noise (more high sounding) and Pink Noise (more deep sounding).
Brown Noise (in between)
Cheers,
Rob

Thank you, Rob (and Scot in an earlier post). This is the kind of factual answer I was hoping for, when I made the initial post. Amazing how far out OT replies and comments can sometimes carry a thread. [/quote]

A thread in the Dutch Synth Forum about the RP VSTi is now 16 pages long. And that for such a small country

Cheers,
Rob

Mnemonic wrote:

Peter from LinPlug wrote: Delta III is planed to appear as version 3.1 in January with some nice new features. Any more details Peter? Looking forward to CronoX 2 as well!

Not yet, as always we try to put in as much as possible, but some features have to proof they are working nice, so I won't name them yet.

Peter

Good morning Rob, nice to meet you here, did you also hear about this new Synth

Peter from LinPlug wrote:

Good morning Rob, nice to meet you here, did you also hear about this new Synth

Morning Peter!
Yes nice forum!!!

Synth? That rare one??


Rob

I've installed the demo for this wonderful rare synth and was wondering: most of the Bass patches seem to have notes that linger on after I switch to another patch...? The release rates all seem to be at very low levels so I don't know why it's doing that.

(Cubase SX; Windows XP Pro)

I wouldn't think that would be intentional, but one never knows.

Should I download again and reinstall?

Teksonik wrote:

Hi Rob,love your work with Albino.Any chance of some RP Patches for other vsti's? Say DeltaIII,CronoX,Ultran, Z3ta+ etc etc???

Hi,
At this moment there are no plans at all.
550 presets in Albino is quit allot!

Cheers,
Rob

This is a very rich sounding synth with lots of character. I absolutely love the sound of it. Until I hit the the top octave of my 61 note board and then I hear aliasing big time. It almost disappears when I switch to the digital oscillators, but its very noticeable on the analog OSCs. This could possibly be the best sounding analog VSTI if the aliasing wasnt there. Does anyone else get the aliasing?

http://www.olscratchrecordings.com/Sounds/SurfaceRunner.mp3

Sorry Scot, could not resist to post it. A new Albino song!
Great piece! I love the middle section ...very deep.

Respect!
Rob

Nevermind... I guess notes just get stuck sometimes if I'm playing while switching between patches.

Rob Papen wrote:

mistertoast wrote: What is brown noise? Is in between pink and white noise

So. You are a sound designer!?....
And You have stated this twice in this forum.

I think, You don't really know, what brown noise is...

As much as I know, brown noise is before pinc noise, not between pink and white!


Brown noise has a spectral frequency of 1/f^2.
Pink noise has a spectral frequency of 1/f and is found mostly in nature.
White noise has a spectral frequency of 1.
.

blacky wrote:

As much as I know, brown noise is before pinc noise, not between pink and white!

Its a typo, we don't have brown noise at all in Albino, its red noise. Oh damn, again a typo, I meant red nose of course Don't take this too serious, please

Peter

blacky wrote:

Rob Papen wrote: mistertoast wrote: What is brown noise? Is in between pink and white noise So. You are a sound designer!?.... And You have stated this twice in this forum. I think, You don't really know, what brown noise is... As much as I know, brown noise is before pinc noise, not between pink and white! Brown noise has a spectral frequency of 1/f^2. Pink noise has a spectral frequency of 1/f and is found mostly in nature. White noise has a spectral frequency of 1. .

Sorry,

To my ears it is in between white and pink.

The Albino is the first synth I know who does have brown noise.
Thanx Peter!!
LinPlug noise..by the way..rules!
Rob

Rob Papen wrote:

Sorry, To my ears it is in between white and pink. The Albino is the first synth I know who does have brown noise. Thanx Peter!! LinPlug noise..by the way..rules! Rob

Sorry, but if You use well established and defined technical terms in this forum to describe Your ("own") synthesizer, You should have some technical backend to this.

Even, if You call yourself "sound designer".

Would a Doctor med. make such an heavy error, so he would lose its his admittance ...

ps: Your claim, Albino would be the first soft synth, which has "brown noise" is simply wrong! So I think, You also don't know that much of other software synthesizers...
.

I definitely claim its red nose, everything else is a misunderstanding.

Both of you are right, the implementation of brown noise is not exact to the definition, but it sounds better as exact brown noise is a bit not as good sounding.

Sorry for the confusion, its red nose

I don't know why "designing" a synth necessitates knowledge that brown noise is 1/f^2, especially as there are many aspects of design. Equally, I don't think formulaic knowledge of brown noise is a necessity to becoming a sound designer if the ears are the major tool of designing sound.

And additionally, I'm not sure why you would want to launch a full frontal attack on someone's credentials based on such a trivial fact.

Perhaps the only thing Rob hasn't learned is that in a forum like this, stating things without qualification usually brings the eager wrath of nitpicking vultures.

What other color noises are planned for future updates,please? Can we expect something nice and festive-looking for Christmas? )

Just to get things back into perspective...great synth, and absolutely brilliant patches...bravo!!

I want red, blue and green noise.

Quote:

I want red, blue and green noise

I want paisley and polka dot

Raven wrote:

I want paisley and polka dot

Reminds me of when I got fired for striping a tape!

Caleb wrote:

I don't know why "designing" a synth necessitates knowledge that brown noise is 1/f^2, especially as there are many aspects of design. Equally, I don't think formulaic knowledge of brown noise is a necessity to becoming a sound designer if the ears are the major tool of designing sound. And additionally, I'm not sure why you would want to launch a full frontal attack on someone's credentials based on such a trivial fact. Perhaps the only thing Rob hasn't learned is that in a forum like this, stating things without qualification usually brings the eager wrath of nitpicking vultures.

Thanx.

Rob Papen wrote:

Thanx.

That's OK. Uncharacteristic turn by me - must've been something I ate.

blacky, is there a particular reason you think mistaking the order of three classifications of noise is on a par with an error which would be serious enough to have a doctor struck off?

OK !

First of all i hope , rob, that you'll accept my excuses because i had already a rough answer to that question about colored reference...

i've read somewere about some more "red" and "blue" noise and at the time i see on it just an arbitrary comparison with visible light of electro-magnetic wave's bandwith

on that ground a noise is "white" when all frequency bandwith is used equally (as white, beeing an absolute refletion of all visible light bandwith equally ) "red" means the whole low frequency bandwith, "blue" (violet in fact !) the highest frequencies

etc...etc...

But i know that for some people there is a spontaneous corresponding color or nuance of color to each note (cenesthesis) and i thought it would have been interesting as a ground

i've heard that a musical software is based on that correspondance...

Oh boy, this thread seems to have been busy while I was asleep! First, about the whole "brown noise" business: Who cares? It sounds great! So what if it isn't technically "brown noise"? A virtual synth's osccilators cannot technically be "analogue" eaither, nor can my Prophet 600 make a true "square wave". The white noise on my analog synth's do not ACTUALLY contain every frequency, but I am not going to start questioning the folks who designed them. Albino sounds fantastic, and that is what counts. If you want to kvetch about nomenclature used on a synth, go harrass Roland about that whole "partial" thing. To question Rob or Peter's expertise because of a name they have used is ridiculous. Both those guys have proven themselves as masters of their chosen fields and deserve way more respect than this.

Rob: I posted the song on another thread, but feel free to post it anywhere you like...

Peter: BEtter to have a Red Nose than a Brown Nose...

Rabbyt: I am honored and stunned that you are paraphrasing me in your signature.

I just hope Rob realizes that this forum is generally much nicer than this thread. Everyone must be having a bad day.

Robert

Rabid et al,
Yeah I was having a bad day. I just hate it when someone trashes someone elses work. Anyway, its nice to see the thread moving in a more musical direction.

My apologies for my role in sending the topic 'off course'.


Doug

Yes, I got caught up in it too. It really bothers me when someone seems to cut someone for their own enjoyement and I wanted to give that person a taste of how it feels to be on the receiving end. Oh well. It's another day now, and it's snowing outside.

Robert

Let's say scott ...

You're abolutely right about the albino's sound and presets, and personnaly i'm unexcusable not to have mentioned it AT FIRST

Even the GUI looks very inspiring (contrast beetween intense and neutral or discreet colors), personnally, i would immediately visualise mixings of red, black and light gray lines and "arabesques" while playing the keys and hearing those huge and warm sounds

I can't and won't pretend giving any lessons to all the professinnals : musician, composers, programmers, etc.. around this forum

But there is a few things i may underline, considering the problem as an intellectual and (eventually !!!) as a scientist

-you say that the white noise of your synth do not contain every frequencies, or do not make a true square wave ok. right ! but it is supposed to be
(...thought in this case it is only due, i think, to the limitations of the electronical components )

but these are just details...sorry !

-the fact is, and it concerns all the electronical instrument's market, that they are many and many denominations that are totally unappropriate if you want to be severe (at least serious ?) just because of (i'm i wrong ?) some marketing strategies that intend to buid up a lot of pseudo-scientific concepts in order to impress the imagination of all the average-cultured people... but most of the time doesn't mean a thing at all !

...and i swear that by the side of a scientist this approximate language sounds really ridiculous... i've got a horribly brainy brother (also quite pretentious and superior !) that would make me feel like an idiot, so i can tell you this by experience !

You may think that i'm going away from the topic, i'm not shure because i'd like many times to have a small but quick and realistic idea about what's going on exactly behing a choosen denomination (ex: does a "comb filter" use BASICALLY any filters ?)

To be honest i feel a bit dissapointed not to find the possibility to have "un authentique débat de fond"... a discussion on fondamental aspect of one or another synthesis or effect technology (but i may admit that, when its the case i often find miself in difficulties to read the post because it is not written in my first language i'm a bit lazy to tranlate it just for myself !)

But you can't honestly compare that as an insolence "une ergoterie gratuite ou une vulgaire masturbation intellectuelle"

...but let me give you another example :

This concerns a thread about eventual updates on a physically modelled electric guitar i won't name in explicit but you may, i hope, immediately recognise,
i suggested if it would have a sense to re-create a model of the mechanical system that it is used on fender guitars to create this caracteristic vibrato effect, i was dissapointed by the answer because it seemed to me like a way to stop the discussion by comparing the idea with a usual pitch bend control ...but let say, is it a possible comparison with a mechanical model ?

i mean you may by using a customised patch of a pitch bend , at the best IMITATE or APPROXIMATE the sound of that vibrato but it isn't MODELLED at all ?

is it construtive discussion ? (...critique constructive)

Seems too bad to me because i was very enthousiast just to DEBATE about
the suggestion and, at least just LEARN something about create a VSTi in practice,... in its general lines !!!

Thought these people may have proven themselves beeing masters in their own field as well, (... true !)

...but it seems that they cannot answer easily to such questions and therefore try to ignore it

i beg you, please... GENTLEMEN ...don't fight me !

You know that i'm right in many points ...and they would be a few other example around the forum i may show you if needed

with my respects

Alexandre Borcic

Don't get me wrong here, I am not arguing at all about the definition of "brown noise", and Krakatau, your post was not what I was responding to at all, and you'll forgive me if it seemed I was responding directly to you. I was responding to the overall negative tone of that had taken over this whole thread, and for what? Because the designers of what is a very exceptional instrument chose to apply a certain nomenclature to a function? Perhaps they might have been better off calling the parameter "tone coloration" or something. However, some folks on this thread got quite arrogant and began hurling insulting language, and this is what I was responding to. My point was simply that I think the matter is of little importance in the overall quality of this synth. I think your example of comb filtering is a good one, as would be Yamaha choosing the term "voice" to describe a patch. It is a bit confusing, at first, but hardly significant. My feelings are that I would rather have had the thing called something besides "brown noise", but it just doesn't matter to me in the overall sound. I don't know about anyone else here, but while I am secure in my knowledge of synthesis and sound, I certainly don't let it get in the way of enjoying a wonderful instrument just because I may have a contradictory definition of a function's name. It could be called "rodent nose", and I would still use it and enjoy it...

Who gives a fuck what color the noise is? All noise sounds basically the same anyway.

Does no one else hear aliasing artifacts above around C5? That what I care about the actual sound, not the color of some noise that I'll only use to synthesize a select few sounds. I care about the OSCs.

Hypertone wrote:

Does no one else hear aliasing artifacts above around C5?

Yes, there is one. Noticable and earlier than C5. Even the "analog" oscillator is very digital and aliasing.

But this will judged by some people as "attack" against the designers, if you say this in this forum.
.

...I don't feel attacked. "Analogue" is of course only a descriptive name, actually we could call it a not-sample-based oscillator. Please don't let us start the Aliasing, is it a good or bad thing discussion, the "Analogue"-Osc produces some aliasing in higher ranges but far less as you have in most hardware counterparts, its the price we paid for its cutting sound. Its easy (within ranges) to kill out all aliasing, but we tuned it to get the "best" sound to our ears.

Peter

Peter from LinPlug wrote:

..., the "Analogue"-Osc produces some aliasing in higher ranges but far less as you have in most hardware counterparts, its the price we paid for its cutting sound. Peter

Of course. Which hardware do you mean?
For the Virus b, NordLead 2 and the Waldorf Q in our studio, I cannot hear such described problems. This must be other hardwares...

Yeah, this one I had expected. A "glowing" review wit 100% in all the cathegories for the new "edge cutting" synthesizer.

By the way the person who wrote this review has 0 posts / 0 reviews and was registered for a few days first:

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probably we paid him for the review, don't you think so

You don't have to like Albino, so stay cool

Peter

No worry.

I like it. No doubt.

But I am somewhat "cooler" (realistic) than others here. Obviously.

Why don't you answer my question depending the hardware, Peter?
This would really interest me.
If you say hardware aliases, so you have to say, which.

blacky wrote:

Peter from LinPlug wrote: ..., the "Analogue"-Osc produces some aliasing in higher ranges but far less as you have in most hardware counterparts, its the price we paid for its cutting sound. Peter Of course. Which hardware do you mean? For the Virus b, NordLead 2 and the Waldorf Q in our studio, I cannot hear such described problems. This must be other hardwares...

Ever listen to the cult synth Waldorf Microwave classic?
Talking about alaising!
Still I love this synth because its great in sound.

We feel sorry that you dislike Albino. We can't improve that.

End,
Rob

-we dislike it ?
-who said that ?

Rob Papen wrote:

Ever listen to the cult synth Waldorf Microwave classic? Talking about alaising! Still I love this synth because its great in sound. We feel sorry that you dislike Albino. We can't improve that. End, Rob

This is not the truth. I had clearly stated, that I don't dislike the synth!

But if you make desisions, You should be correct. Even, if you are a Sound designer (with respect).
Peter has made a decision to the "analog" oscillator on Albino.
He sayed: This oscillator isn't a wavetable osc but a "not-sample-based oscillator"
And he sayed, hardware counterparts of this synthesis technologie produce more aliasing than his oscillator.

Waldorf Mikrowave is a wavetable synthesizer in the "absolute sense".
BUT we speak about Virtual Analog synthesis here. Right?

So how You can decide a VA synthesis with the early wavetable synthesis, please? This would really interest me now...

By the way, I can call a WAVE my own.
ps: 12 bit is a difference to 16 bit samplingrate. Do you know what I mean???

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blacky wrote:

Rob Papen wrote: Ever listen to the cult synth Waldorf Microwave classic? Talking about alaising! Still I love this synth because its great in sound. We feel sorry that you dislike Albino. We can't improve that. End, Rob This is not the truth. I had clearly stated, that I don't dislike the synth! But if you make desisions, You should be correct. Even, if you are a Sound designer (with respect). Peter has made a decision to the "analog" oscillator on Albino. He sayed: This oscillator isn't a wavetable osc but a "not-sample-based oscillator" And he sayed, hardware counterparts of this synthesis technologie. Waldorf Mikrowave is a wavetable synthesizer in the "absolute sense". BUT we speak about Virtual Analog synthesis here. Right? So how You can decide a VA synthesis with a wavetable synthesis, please? This would really interest me now... .

Alaising can happen to ANY synth (or rompler or, sampler) that has to do with a digital audio domain.

Oh, dear Lord...

Anyway, Peter, you have my personal royal permission to call it a 'really-kewl-sounding-really-complex-really-great-synth'.

BAD:
The Demo installer was impossible to download, and it didn't install any manuals (at least not in the directory where the dll is) so I have still no freakin' idea about how the modules are linked etc., making intelligent tweaking nearly impossible.

GOOD:
A rich and wholesome palette of beautiful presets, and a whole lotta fun-quotient with the ModWheel... I cannot comment on the sound-design capabilities without the manual, but it looks like a mighty answer to z3ta+.

This is quite stunning how we came from Neon to these two in barely over a year...

Dingo865 wrote:

The Demo installer was impossible to download,

My apologies, we had a broken link, yes, it seems I uploaded the PC demo to the FBI or something

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and it didn't install any manuals

Hmm, yes, intentionally, the idea was that maybe for the demo you can live without.

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This is quite stunning how we came from Neon to these two in barely over a year...

Well, it was a bit more time, eh. I think Neon was late 1999 when I started with the Gakstoar, but I agree the speed is immense

Thanks for the kind words,

Peter

Rob Papen wrote:

Alaising can happen to ANY synth (or rompler or, sampler) that has to do with a digital audio domain.

Right. No doubt.

But Peter has claimed, decidable hardware "counterparts" would produce more aliasing than the Albino.

This was the reason for my contra action. Because this is simply NOT true!

It is not the finest art to suggest people here in this forum that your synthesizer is better than the available "counterparts" of hrdware synthesizers... (read Peters original words again, if you don't believe it).

This is an other part of the strange "introducing attitude" of your own synthesizer here. Marketing is a fine thing...
We are no childs, you can suggest "everything".



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if you like the synth then why are you carrying on
like a bunch of pissy queens and demanding specific
answers to questions about references yadda yadda yadda?

Hi pete Hi rob
i bought your synth and I love it
I've been here a little longer so maybe I should write a glowing
review just to get everyones panties in a bunch.

Dear blacky. Some of us still rememer how you promoted your very own synths some moons ago. Spend your time to code your synth that's still in the alpha stage would not be a bad idea. BTW, even though I dislike your attitude, I like Ninja.

Rob,

Albino sounds great; nice job! Some questions as I consider my purchase:

1) Are most of the patches geared for Dance/Trance, or are there more sounds (beyond those in the demo) that would apply to Pop productions?

2) In the non-demo version, is there a quicker way to jump directly to the patch of your choice? In the demo version it seems that you have to step thru each patch, one-at-a-time. Also, can the patches be grouped in categories?

3) Will there be more patches for Albino, or is this a closed project?

4) Besides K-V-R, are there any other forums that discuss Albino in detail?

5) I read on the Logic Users list that Albino is not currently in development for Audio Units. Will it be?

6) Any known problems using Albino with Logic Mac 5.5 in OS 9.2.2? After the one time I used it, Logic crashed. (But I've only used Albino once, so I can't blame you for certain.)

Regards,
-cnegrad

Walkby wrote:

Dear blacky. Some of us still rememer how you promoted your very own synths some moons ago. Spend your time to code your synth that's still in the alpha stage would not be a bad idea. BTW, even though I dislike your attitude, I like Ninja.

I had definitively stated, that all this stupid claims are wrong. I am not a synthesizer developer. And I have promoted nothing here or anywhere!

You have persecution mania, obviously...

It seems, some people here became totally crazy!

LOL.

ps: How can You know the past of this forum, if You are registered since only a few days??? This is really strange!!! Perhaps You are the liar here.

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Dear blacky. You had caused quite some stir by that time and I (vaguely) remember even one of the moderators had asked you to behave yourself or he'd reveal your identity. Interestingly, that's when you became silent. Go back to code your Klangformer. I'm looking forward to it.

I remember years ago Wendy Carlos writing in the Whole Earth Catalog about synths like the EMS VCS3 sounding like fart boxes and agonising over timbre and tonality. She was right, and what's really refreshing about Albino is not having a set of farts, screeches and phat fuzz in the preset range.

Whatever else about this synth, that bit is right, and I'm really glad I downloaded the demo. Thanks Rob Papen.

Walkby wrote:

Dear blacky. You had caused quite some stir by that time and I (vaguely) remember even one of the moderators had asked you to behave yourself or he'd reveal your identity. Interestingly, that's when you became silent. Go back to code your Klangformer. I'm looking forward to it.

Never has anyone forced me to reveal my identity here! Are You stupid or what???
I really don't know for what all this shall.
I think that a person who has applied here only a couple of days and tells more loudly confused things shouldn't take seriously.

By the way, I am beta tester for Klangformer, thats all.

Sure no one had forced you to reveal your identity. A moderator just warned you he'd reveal (sounded more like a "confirmation" instead of "reveal" to me) it unless you behave. And you did. And now several months later, you come back and say that didn't happen. Interesting.

Apologies to other pals here, I just thought this should be pointed out to those who joined the community after the previous drama brought up by blacky.

Walkby wrote:

Sure no one had forced you to reveal your identity. A moderator just warned you he'd reveal (sounded more like a "confirmation" instead of "reveal" to me) it unless you behave. And you did. And now several months later, you come back and say that didn't happen. Interesting. Apologies to other pals here, I just thought this should be pointed out to those who joined the community after the previous drama brought up by blacky.

Very intresting story. But I don't know exactly, whether you are joking or simply stupid.

But really, nothing surprises me on this forum in the meantime...

cnegrad wrote:

Rob, Albino sounds great; nice job! Some questions as I consider my purchase: 1) Are most of the patches geared for Dance/Trance, or are there more sounds (beyond those in the demo) that would apply to Pop productions? 2) In the non-demo version, is there a quicker way to jump directly to the patch of your choice? In the demo version it seems that you have to step thru each patch, one-at-a-time. Also, can the patches be grouped in categories? 3) Will there be more patches for Albino, or is this a closed project? 4) Besides K-V-R, are there any other forums that discuss Albino in detail? 5) Any known problems using Albino with Logic Mac 5.5 in OS 9.2.2? After the one time I used it, Logic crashed. (But I've only used Albino once, so I can't blame you for certain.) Regards, -cnegrad

Thanx.

[5]
Ooh dear. We have bad news. The support of Emagic and VST dropped completely. Peter (LinPlug) can not solve this because of total lack at the Emagic side. They want to puch their AU.
We working on it to see if we can make an AU version of course ASAP.

[1]
About the presets. There are plenty other style sounds. I love to make also Ambient sounds, Pad sounds and all kind of other stuff.

[3]
The Albino is surley not a closed project!! More presets will come in the future! Besides from new features in Albino.

[4]
We have a very nice discussion in the Dutch Synth Forum
But....its Dutch.
The LinPlug forum would be a good option for Albino users.

Sorry for the bad news about Logic at Apple.
We did our outmost.

regards,
Rob

Dear blacky. (My apologies for without addressing you with "Dear blacky" in the previous post.)

People have a thing called memory.

Anyone interested in blacky should try to dig up the forum.

Right, please take your arguments to e-mail, to carry on discussing the differences between Albino and Delta please start a new thread.