A question to Atmosphere users:

I know layers can be mixed, but can you load the core samples and synth settings independently from different preset layers

thanks, zmies

I am interested in this too --- there is a review on this site which says that when you load a new sample you loose all teh settings associated with the old one, which makes trying new sample configs a real pain. This info is what kept me way from atmosphere. If this has been fixed I'd like to know so I can reconsider.

yes you can load the patches by themselves....but its a work around way.....if you load a patch, and only want to hear the first layer, say a, then you would go to b and make this patch "empty".....maybe this is what your wondering?.....hopefully eric will also add to this soon

What I meant was loading the core sample from one patch and all of the settings (envelopes, filters, fx) from another preset. This would allow for more quick combinations.

Am I making any sense?

I gotcha........don't think this can be done, but not 100% certain

Currently, the way Atmosphere loads Layers is a little different from other traditional synths (it's not like simply changing waveforms). The layer concept is more like copying a Roland "Tone", and it is much more complex internally, since it's loading a complete multisample with all the zones individual parameters already set-up.

When you load a layer from a Preset, the parameters from that layer are loaded too. There are some real advantages to doing it this way, for example that you can very quickly mix and match layers from any Preset and then they will always be in tune, and provide a good musical starting point to begin from. This isn't something that can be done easily with any other synths or samplers....so the initial focus was to enable the creation of something new in Atmosphere: user combinations that are very fast and easy to create, so that anyone can get quick results that sound very good....and that your starting point in an edit was always a good sounding one.

I do realize that the down side is that you lose your current panel settings when you load a new layer. If you want to try the same parameters, with a new multisample setup (ie; layer) they have to be manually setup. I guess this never bothered me very much, because it is very easy to reproduce settings, since Atmosphere is pretty straight forward to use, and also because of my background doing synth programming in live performance...it never struck me as a big deal to reset the parameters, cause I'm used to having to work fast. But I can see how it could be annoying, if you are expecting it to work as a "waveform selector"..which isn't how it works right now.

I do think it is a bit of a shame for anyone to let the current layer loading system keep them from using it though...Atmophere is really very easy to program. The layer system design was an intentional thing that works great for most users....but perhaps for a hardcore sound designer the "waveform select" style layer selection would be easier and more familiar for them to use. It's easy to perceive this layer loading system as an oversight, but remember that we are bridging the gap here between how samplers and synths work on an architectural level, so it's a little trickier to do it both ways....

OK...that said, "Layer parameter loading OFF" is definitely on the update list now, based on this feedback...it's doable I think. We should also be able to incorporate the idea of loading parameters and multisamples independantly. We've got some ideas how to improve the interaction between each of the layers and the knob/slider settings that should make it even slicker than it already is.

Just will take a little time....thanks for the feedback, we're always listening. There's no doubt that there are many ways that Atmosphere will be improving...we have a lot of plans for the future.

best,

spectrum

spectrum wrote:

OK...that said, "Layer parameter loading OFF" is definitely on the update list now, based on this feedback...it's doable I think. We should also be able to incorporate the idea of loading parameters and multisamples independantly. We've got some ideas how to improve the interaction between each of the layers and the knob/slider settings that should make it even slicker than it already is. Just will take a little time....thanks for the feedback, we're always listening. There's no doubt that there are many ways that Atmosphere will be improving...we have a lot of plans for the future. best, spectrum

Thanks for the reply!

I definitely meant to wish for an additional feature here, not a fix!

I'm most likely going to buy Atmosphere regardless.

- Zmies

Groovy

spectrum

I have also a short question, but another:

Eric, I have bought this atmosphere and I have two partitions on one machine - both run Sequencer. Now my question, when I have registered
my first atmo and get my response/challenge key, what is with the other partition ?
Is that a problem, I want to run atmos. on both sequencers.

Why isn´t it a lifetime response or challenge key ?

Thanx
bryllyant

If you start up from different partitions, it's like using two machines. Of course there's no problem to get another authorization for this...the site is set up to do this, and of course authorization is a lifetime one.

spectrum

What will the second Code cost ? Well I think two partitions (one soundcard, one dongle etc) is not really the same as when I go in another place and install atmosphere there....I don´t agree with you, but anyway
maybe you could think of a membership-agreement in this case.

Thanx
bryllyant

...who still waits for another drumloop CD release of great Eric.....

bryllyant !!
You can do like Spectrum said or you have Atmosphere on 2 different
PC if you wish

you just have to autherize them both seperatly @ no extra cost:wink:

I will be doing this myself on my second PC I just haven't gotten
round to doing it yet , but if Spectrum says it's OK to do it then
I take his word for it OK

bryllyant wrote:

What will the second Code cost ? Well I think two partitions (one soundcard, one dongle etc) is not really the same as when I go in another place and install atmosphere there....I don´t agree with you, but anyway maybe you could think of a membership-agreement in this case. Thanx bryllyant ...who still waits for another drumloop CD release of great Eric.....

I think you must misunderstand me. Our policy is extremely generous. You get as many auithorizations as you need for your lifetime FOR FREE!

Agreeable to you?

spectrum

BTW..Stylus is my latest drum CD...per se.

spectrum wrote:

OK...that said, "Layer parameter loading OFF" is definitely on the update list now, based on this feedback...

Thank you very much for hearing us spectrum! This feature would surely be appreciated.

spectrum wrote:

I think you must misunderstand me. Our policy is extremely generous. You get as many auithorizations as you need for your lifetime FOR FREE!

This is very good to know... reliefs some of my concerns about challenge-response systems...

Atmosphere is very high on my purchase list already.

Looking forward to hearing what you do with it Chris....I think it's right up your alley!

spectrum

c_huelsbeck wrote:

spectrum wrote: I think you must misunderstand me. Our policy is extremely generous. You get as many auithorizations as you need for your lifetime FOR FREE! This is very good to know... reliefs some of my concerns about challenge-response systems... Atmosphere is very high on my purchase list already.

It's high on my list too... in fact I just ordered my copy 10 minutes ago!

- Zmies

spectrum wrote:

bryllyant wrote: What will the second Code cost ? Well I think two partitions (one soundcard, one dongle etc) is not really the same as when I go in another place and install atmosphere there....I don´t agree with you, but anyway maybe you could think of a membership-agreement in this case. Thanx bryllyant ...who still waits for another drumloop CD release of great Eric..... I think you must misunderstand me. Our policy is extremely generous. You get as many auithorizations as you need for your lifetime FOR FREE! Agreeable to you? spectrum BTW..Stylus is my latest drum CD...per se.

ui, ok that is super.

....and very fair.

Stylus is your latest ? Ok, but I am more on the FX loop section like "metamorphosis" does. My big wish for the future is if you will ever bring out a thing like "metamorp..": please make more loops from one loop, you know what I mean ? There is sometimes a loop which is good but in there is a noise which I don´t like so then I can´t use that loop (or cut it). But if you would do more loops of it - one without hats, one without noizes then it´s easier to create loops that I can use.

(damn, my english is like a little boy )

Thanx

bryllyant

You'll dig some things we have in the works!

spectrum