just got an e.mail from linplug saying that they are going to try and get the pc version out on the 30.12.2002 and the mac release date stays at 10.01.2003 ...

... cant wait for my update ... who knows ... might even make some music again ...

... merry midwinter festival rob

...just tested the cronox2 !
great - a masterpice, a must have...

fallen in cronox-love, again
ecaep

Where did you get Cronox 2??? I've been monitoring the Linplug site everyday and especially today, the 30'th (hinted at release date) and was just there now and still........nothing!


Explain?

thanks.....

well ... i got mine too ...

... it IS released ... but as far as i can tell only if youve pre-ordered and have the e.mail pointing to the full d.l page ... no trial version is up yet ...

and ... oh yeah ... you need to be on pc too ...

... cheers rob

Yes it IS released and I can tell you it's BEAUTIFUL.

Happy New Year Peter

PA

IS released? I have version 1. I guess an email is forthcoming then with upgrade details (if any).

Ok.....

Just got the email from Linplug---payed via Shareit, got the new version
download link and serial, just need to install it. Eureka!!

It's great, the new sample handling options are much welcomed, you can upgrade (and the $14.95 price is quite reasonable!) although the new samples/patches won't be released until the 3rd.

Yet another excellent LinPlug update. Can you tell I'm enthused?

OHHHHH! hat new Schrader sample module turns just about anything into a PPG-like wavetable....This is going to be loads of fun!

yes, I'm getting sounds that are fatter than my PPG Wave V2 plugin, more like the microWave II.

It's time to make some wavetable style samples or import some Absynth samples. I was hoping Orion's Ultran would allow for simple sample loading like CronoX 2 so this is a nice way to start the new year.

Yihaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!! Let's see if I can do a little tune with this beauty!!

Hey Scot!

Yes!!!! That new Shrader module got me very excited indeed. I'm thinking of a bunch of different possibilities like maybe sampling some wave sequences off my WS... and maybe doing some other kind of funky stuff using some of the other vstis to create some source waves.

It's very cool, I was playing around with a sample I put together using random sounds of the same pitch. It's very cool and can sound a lot like a Wavestation.

This is a great synth for the price, you can do stuff like this with Kontakt or Reaktor but to be honest it's so much simpler within CronoX 2 that I can't see why I wouldn't use it instead.

LinPlug is on a roll

this and Crystal 2.1 available today. Now that's what I call a nice way to start the new year!

Hmm... that gives me loads of ideas... anything in the vsti or "real"hardware rack is game as a source.

How about doing some sort of wave sequence in crystal and using that as a source wave...

Okay a little OT...

Hey Scot... I've been helping a friend redo his studio these past few days and in the process realized that if I repatch my own hardware mixer a wee bit differently things will be a lot more flexible...

BUT

I need to run out and buy some more cables!!!! How's that for starting off the New Year?

PA wrote:

Yes it IS released and I can tell you it's BEAUTIFUL.

Is the filter any better than v1? 'cause if it isn't then the new oscillator stuff is a complete waste of time. The original CRONOX filter is pretty ordinary, even my SOULkILLER sounds better. I stopped using it more than a year ago and found that almost any other synth could do a better job.

I'm asking because I'm on holidays and won't be able to try it for myself until next week.

Hey Liondream, I have about twelve miles of extra cables lying around these days...

BONES,

I don't know if the filters have been changed but they sure sound like they have. They aren't terribly squelchy, example: I couldn't get them to self oscillate using a low pass, 24db filter.

If you like manipulating samples or see the need for it you will probably like it. It's the same as the original concept refined.

We have different tastes but I love the thing.

Bones,

I was not too much familiar with CronoX 1 but the filters on CronoX are definatly great. I had a lot of fun creating sounds with imported .wav files.

Maybe your impression came also from the internal waveforms provided as an option for the two oscillators. There is not a great variety of signal shapes there (as opposed to Albino). I assume this is intentional because presumably those internal oscillators are just there to add some spice to the imported waveforms. This how I use them mostly anyway.


Also the Schrader is a brand new oscillator mode. Though I am not an expert with it you can read higher on this thread that it brings great Wavestation like capabilities.

I believe that when you have a chance to download the demo you will immediatly feel that this is a very significant step ahead compared to version 1.

Maybe Peter can add some more on this.

Cheers


PA

The presets are now available, but are they made for cronox 2 or are they the same ones as cronox 1?

afaik [havent d.led them yet] they are the v.1 presets remade for cronoX.2 compatibility ...

... cheers rob

ps ... anyone else out there having trouble with cronoX.2 and either ds or wdm audio drivers ...

[quote=experimentfour]anyone else out there having trouble with cronoX.2 and either ds or wdm audio drivers[/quote]

Rob, are you getting an occasional blipping noise while using the Schrader oscillator, or buzzing noises with the LoopSamp?

neither ... just huge cpu use with some [homemade ... not incompatible v.1] presets ... they are fine under mme in massiva ... but switching to ds or wdm [dunno about asio ... my quattro is still hidden behind the xmas tree ] sees cpu use multiply by AT LEAST 5 times ...

... havent managed to narrow it down to any one aspect of the patches either ... seems pretty random at the moment ...

... slainte rob

eXpeRIMentFOUR wrote:

sees cpu use multiply by AT LEAST 5 times ...

.....and that's only happening in your own patches? Weird!

I figured out what those blips mentioned above were Rob. The samples I tried with CronoX's Schrader module don't have their front and back ends on zero crossings. Quick fade in and fade out in Cool Edit sorted it. Moving the loop point further into the samples and increasing the smoothing in LoopSamp module sorted out the buzzing.

not just my own patches andy ... it was originally happening when i tried to load the v1 presets into v2 so i thought that was the trouble ... off to d.l the repatched for v2 presets now to see if they do it too ...

... slainte rob

First thoughts... overall, I really like the sound of the new ChronoX2. I do think it sounds fantastic! I would compare it with the Albino sound as opposed to Delta sound maybe. At any rate, definitely a step forward from Chrono1.

I noticed that none of the presets seem to utilize the Shrader modules.

I was going through my sample library and trying out different types of sounds, etc. arbitrarily. Some very interesting results! Though perhaps a bit too cpu intensive?

I was wondering whether anyone has any ideas regarding what kinds of samples/loops might be best to use with the Shrader generator? Types of sounds that you may have found to be more useful? Optimum length of loops? Optimum bit depth?

No mention of those specifics in the manual unless I missed something.

I've been working on a batch of presets for it for a couple of days. I haven't found anything that WON'T work with the Schrader module, but I have found that the best results are from sustained, moving sounds (so far anyway). I recorded my Tibetan Bell for it, and it worked great. I am totally in love with this thing. Expect a new song any day now!

Link to PC demo version seems broken. Can anyone else dl CronoX2 ?
...
Forget it. DL succeded on like 30th attempt.

That's what I noticed too... sounds that have some movement (whether it be tone or spectrum).

Scot, do you experience a lot of cpu usage when trying to use both oscillators in Shrader mode?

I was looking at 80-90% cpu usage - especially in the case of long release times. Maybe 70% on shorter release times. Which makes me think that the Shraders must be pretty cpu intensive. But also why I was wondering about what kinds of samples might be best to use.

My questions were more towards duration, bit depth.

Oh, I only have a 1g Piii, but it is dual.

Other thoughts... comparing to my Waldorf, I looked at the mod matrix and thought it might be cool to be able to modulate panning. Although one can simulate this by use of the delay.

Liondream...I actually get a bit lower CPU usuage using two Schrader modules than I do using two loop modules, but both are not bad. I get around 10% CPU playing two notes on a pair od Schrader modules, and a touch more playing two notes on a pair of loop modules. This is running at 24/44 in Cubase SX on a W2k machine, AMD XP1900+ with 512 Megs RAM. So far, I've only tried 16 bit 44 kHz samples in Schrader, all stereo, I believe.

It uses samples?! So finally a VSTi-Synth i am interested in..... mac-demo will come soon hopefully. Wow - you folks here really seem to like this thingie, fine fine.

I am curious, jajjjj!

putte

Scot...

That's a pretty significant difference.

I'm running piii 1ghz dual, 1024 RAM, WinXP Pro, VST32, 32/44. I will try different settings and also check my processes to see if I can fine tune the computer a bit better.

I was using mostly 16-bit stereo samples too. Right now just toying with different things to see what the possibilities are.

So, I'm still wondering whether it makes any difference to maybe use mono samples instead, 16-bit, 8-bit, etc. Some things I'm planning to try next... mangle some samples and bit crunch them first, etc.

I'm kind of thinking the generator probably only uses a mono sample but I don't know. If mono, then I wonder if it's summing it or only taking one of the channels.

Just curious because ultimately I will optimize and create a set of samples to use just for the Chrono.

Putte... this is a very nice sounding synth IMO and a very good update to an already cool plug. I know you still have to wait a few days, but by this time next week you should be rocking, eh?

It'll be worth the weight I think.

Nice job Peter!!!

BTW, Scot...

I picked up the needed cables yesterday... $92!!!! Can you believe it?

No wonder Scot Solida does not like cables!!!!!