Get DirtBag 1.40 from my page:
http://home.mindspring.com/~ikaldor/dirtbag.htm

Enjoy,
ik.

this plug is great for those who don't already have it

Thanks. I've always loved this plug. Earlier versions seem to have some denormal spikes. I'll grab this one and see how it works.

A lot of the presets have a very obvious feedback loop that seem like a mistake. I assume the delay is turned up higher than it should be.

Great sound. Doesn't seem to have the denormal spikes of some of the earlier versions. Does use a fair amount of CPU, but worth it for the sound.

I often need to turn down the grit when I use a chord. Solos sound fine with dirt. Maybe the dirt is clumping up with more than one note?

I love the sound of this, but then I'm a sucker for B3s and pizza of all kinds. It's BIIIIG and dirty, really cuts.

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A lot of the presets have a very obvious feedback loop that seem like a mistake. I assume the delay is turned up higher than it should be.

Is he talking about the sound that creeps in after the note's over? That's a problem for me. Cubase 5.2, /win98

Also, my DirtBag doesn't look like the image. It doesn't have the top row, or is that a host's window?

I would love it if it had velocity sensitivity and pitch bend, obviously authenticity is not a high priority here.

Thanks guys for the feedback!
I did FOUND the problem relative to the delay feedback, I'll fix it
and upload the fixed version probably tonight. (I can put velocity sensitivity and response to pitcbend too...)
Thanks again,
ik.

Fantastic. This is one of the best organs around, in my opinion. Thanks for your hard work.

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mistertoast Fantastic. This is one of the best organs around, in my opinion. Thanks for your hard work.

I concur, and pitchbend too, wow

I LOVE this VTSi! But now there's a new version and I have to sit through a whole day at work before I can play with it!!!

I thought of one more thing:

It seemed to me that the White and Pink waveforms may be mixed up.

I see you already got a good review, I'll put one up soon too.

Okay, the feedback bug is fixed. I will add Pitchbend, and upload it tonight. It will be v 1.42
ik.

Wow. I wonder that Whiter Shade of Pale would have sounded like with a pitchbend.

I like this dirtbag alot too! The last upgrade I got a month or so ago didn't work so hot in my Orion Platinum? I just overwrite the .DLL in my
folder, so I didn't save the old one. But I hope this remedy's the problem? (Think it was just a bad download or something?)

I notice it still says 1.40 at your site, though I see here you mention it should be 1.42 by now? But why have PB on a organ when you can do a glissando with your hand?

He said he'd get 1.42 up there tonight.

Dirty...bad...loud...cruel....just fun to play!

You couldn't have found a better name for this cool freebie

A very good 60´s organ emulation, great work, phantastic sounds, thank you very much. A competitor to ComboSister, but for free.

Ok, v. 1.42 is uploaded to my page:

http://home.mindspring.com/~ikaldor/dirtbag.htm

- nesty delay feedback bug fixed.
- pitchbend added.

(Note: I've been using with hosts: OPlat, and Chainer, works fine with
both, Athlon XP 1.4 GHz, cpu usage ~ 16-24%)

Let me know what you think, suggestions ... ?? ... ??
Enjoy,
ik.

1.42 sounds great! Thanks.

Remaining issues:

1) Some presets have an unexpected click or squeak sound on note-off.
2) I have a P4 1.8GHz. Mono solos are fine at 7%-14% of CPU. I can easily go over 50%, though, by repeated fast chords (like in that song "96 Tears." At least I think it's 96. Is that the name of it?) Just bang the same chord over and over two or three times a second to see what I mean.
3) CPU usage never seems to go down very low, even when the note has audibly disappeared and the instrument sounds silent.

Anyhow, this thing sounds great. I can live with the quirks.

Works fine with Logic 5.2 (PC). And what I think about it I´ve already written above. I had little sleep tonight because I was playing with it and playing and playing ....

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1) Some presets have an unexpected click or squeak sound on note-off. 2) I have a P4 1.8GHz. Mono solos are fine at 7%-14% of CPU. I can easily go over 50%, though, by repeated fast chords (like in that song "96 Tears." At least I think it's 96. Is that the name of it?) Just bang the same chord over and over two or three times a second to see what I mean. 3) CPU usage never seems to go down very low, even when the note has audibly disappeared and the instrument sounds silent.

Thanks for the feedback!
Hmmm. I'm afraid these are P4 related issues. (?)
DirtBag was made with with SynthEdit. SynthEdit made vstis (many of them) has certain problems (denormals(?)) when they run on P4.
It is getting better though as Jeff (programmer of SE) getting close to v 1.0

Here is my test system:
AthlonXP (1.4GHz) (256MB ram) WinXP, built in soundcard (called SoundMax) Steinberg emulated AsioDx (from Cubase SX demo)
(its an off the shelf Compaq, no comments! )

1 : I couldn get those NoteOff squeaks on Athlon. Anyone out there?
2 and 3 : On my system, the "blank" cpu usage was 8-9%, The max I reached hitting chords like mad was 34%, and it went back to "blank" stage (8-9%) in ~3-4 sec. (The host was Chainer)

I don't want open up a new P4/Athlon debate , but I think VSTi made by SynthEdit work better on Athlon. As SE gets P4 optimized I'll certainly rebuild and rebuild DirtBag and post the new ones.

Thanks again,
ik.

Well, I'd certainly like to use this plug, but I'm on a P200 - a shame, I'm sure it sounds good. The other SE organ I tried [Phibes] was great too... but also too CPU-consuming. Time for an upgrade maybe.

Anyone hear the click on MIDI note-off? It's actually almost a squeak. It's most notable on the "pretty" presets like "clean." I don't get these in Microbag, which is just as hard on my CPU. Hmm.

I'm not going to suggest the P4 is better than the Athlon, either. In fact, for audio apps, I'm sure the Athlon is better.

TristezaOrange wrote:

Well, I'd certainly like to use this plug, but I'm on a P200 - a shame ... Time for an upgrade maybe.

Tristeza, don´t buy too much Van der Graaf Generator and Gentle Giant CDs, then you´ll have the money for a PC upgrade soon.

Right you are MisterToast! But I tried this version last night nonetheless, and I'm still getting this 'feedback delay burp' after I play a chord and release? It's quiet for a second, then this 'subtle wave' of distortion surfaces and subsides? Anyone else having this trouble. I'm using Orion Platinum with ASIO drivers as well. The intial chords sound great, and the keyboard is wonderful.

Just want to get rid of this 'fuzz tail'?

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mistertoast Posted Anyone hear the click on MIDI note-off? It's actually almost a squeak. It's most notable on the "pretty" presets like "clean."

yeah, I get this too.

Also, I get a strange behavior in Cubase 5.2 PC. If I stop transport, and then use my MIDI keyboard or even start playback in Cubase, I don't get any sound until I switch presets.

AND WAAAAH! i didn't get my velocity sensitivity.
Thanks for the pitchbend though

I'm pretty sure the click/squeak is not a P4 thing.

Yep, I got that now too!
For me its a very short metallic click on NoteOff, on the Clean preset!
It's not related to the delay. I need to see deeply where is it coming from.
Hold on....
Thanks for pointing it out!
(and Yes, its not P4 related )
ik.

ik, you rule. Thanks for not becoming frustrated with us!

AndreasEhrhardt wrote:

TristezaOrange wrote: Well, I'd certainly like to use this plug, but I'm on a P200 - a shame ... Time for an upgrade maybe. Tristeza, don´t buy too much Van der Graaf Generator and Gentle Giant CDs, then you´ll have the money for a PC upgrade soon.

Actually this is not so much of a joke as you think. I buy at least 5 CDs every month at around 20 Euros each = 100euros at least. If I saved these money.... Well, that's me...

BTW - ik, I'm on a P3 myself. I think my problem can go into the 'click/squeak' phenomenom as well?

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BTW - ik, I'm on a P3 myself. I think my problem can go into the 'click/squeak' phenomenom as well?

Frankly, just by paying more attention I did hear that on my Athlon XP too,
just its VERY short [probably thats the reason I missed it, -- I mean faster processor - shorter click (??)]. In other words, it must be a glich in the structure, what I need to find and fix, rather then pentium/athlon question.

Of course the high cpu demand will be more expressed on your P3.

(Hi cpu, yeah, DirtBag has 15 oscillators (9+4 for tonewheels, 1 for leslie, 1 for percussion) 4 filters 3 delay units, 2 waveshapers, belive me, I tried to cut some corners... I tried to do it with less OSCs but I lost the greasyness of the sound, which was my original goal, nostalgy for Jon Lord, Emerson, Traffic, .... who knows who else.)
Keep DirtBaging!
All my best,
ik.

does anyone have this problem in Cubase where if you stop transport it won't fire again til you change presets?

AND I can't export audio, the wave is empty.

not a peep about velocity response, ik, you there?

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does anyone have this problem in Cubase where if you stop transport it won't fire again til you change presets?

I'll check this in Cubase SX demo. I just used it in orion and chainer as hosts, so I could have missed this. I'll make the velo-response, but its a bit more involved than I thought. First I'd like to fix the NoteOff glich....
ik.

Whatever you do, please don't compromise the quality to bring down the CPU usage. I don't mind paying 10% of my CPU for an awesome organ. I can always bounce to a wav if I need to.

Thanks for your work, ik. I hadn't realized what a big machine this was, 15 oscillators, my gawd, no wonder it sounds so big.

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tinman does anyone have this problem in Cubase where if you stop transport it won't fire again til you change presets? AND I can't export audio, the wave is empty.

I forgot to say that the first version I downloaded didn't have this problem, so it must have been in a change you made in the update.

Just in case one missed it, there is a (hopefully) fixed version at...

http://home.mindspring.com/~ikaldor/dirtbag.htm

ik.

Aahhh, DirtBAg works great. Sorry you had to ruin that cool graphic with those damn buttons, but the Vel control especially makes for great expressiveness.

That other problem was my damn fault, I had some program changes in the tracks, I hope you didn't spend to much time trying to track that down.

Well all right, time for me to get to work on a track. I'd like to try a B3 ensemble, we'll get screamin. Thanks again for this coool app.

Hey Istvan... what does the "range" button do?

-josh

PS. I am going to have to update my review to include all these changes... everything has gotten better (with the possible exception of the documentation) and I loved it so much to start!

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Hey Istvan... what does the "range" button do? -josh ... everything has gotten better (with the possible exception of the documentation) and I loved it so much to start!

per request from tinman, this is to set the pitchbend range (0-12).
(while this is not part of the "hammond business" if you've ever seen/ heard Keith Emerson laying on his back and have his hammond on his
belly(?) that hammond "has pitchbend" (I mean it goes out of tune big time) , , .

BUT(!) careful, the rotary slow/fast can be also mapped to the pitchbend,
so if you WISH to use pitchbend, then map the rotary slow/fast swith to the modwheel (cc01) or Footswitch (cc04).

Yes, you are right, its time to write some documentation.. (I hate that )

Thanks for the feedback!
ik.